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[ - ] is brooke shields sending dd to a ny school? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 07.11.08, 06:13 AM Flag
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downtown i think. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:15 AM Flag
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Yes downtown. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:17 AM Flag
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FS? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:43 AM Flag
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I don't think so. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:48 AM Flag
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I heard Grace. But I also heard Brearley. Don't know which is correct. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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I think it's Grace. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 11:13 AM Flag
[ - ] Can someone recommend a science camp in NYC? There was one with a silly name downtown that I have forgotten. All recommendations appreciated. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 07.11.08, 06:11 AM Flag
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I believe there is one at Hollingworth up at Columbia - google for info. Sarah the Science Teacher I think has camps - don't know anyone who has done these. I think Musuem of nat History has some expensive one-week type programs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:47 AM Flag
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We love Hollingworth bvut you have to apply in November. Sarah is great too - especially her trips. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 09:54 AM Flag
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Corlears is supposed to have a great one [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:18 AM Flag
[ - ] Planning to start potti training, DB is 21mo. Did you use little potti or a toilet sit, how did you decide b/n the two options. What brand did you use? Thnks 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:10 AM Flag
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i got the b aby bjorn. dd likes it. I keep it out in the living room and her bare bottemed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:13 AM Flag
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we always have just used the regular toilet. i never understood the point of the little ones. (our third is figuring it all out now.) we also have never "trained." Don't get that concept either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:15 AM Flag
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bc my dd was too short to get on the toilet herself. She is able to go to her own by herself [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:18 AM Flag
[ - ] I think I am having a panic attack. What do I do? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:09 AM Flag
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deep belly-breathing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:11 AM Flag
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Talk out loud to yourself. Say "I'm going to be okay, my body is reacting to some stress." Have an out-loud conversation with yourself about why you're panicking. when you can speak about it aloud and rationalize it with yourself, it takes the scariness out of it. And seek a good cognitive behavioral therapist to help you deal with the underlying mental habits that lead to panic attack. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:58 AM Flag
[ - ] Should I donate old maternity books and maternity clothes and newborn clothes or discard. Where to donate? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 07.11.08, 06:08 AM Flag
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Absolutely. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:09 AM Flag
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look on "Room to Grow"'s website, I know they take baby items but not sure exactly which ones. WE donated our bassinet to them, they may even pick up [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:23 AM Flag
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List your stuff on www.freecycle.com & people will come pick it up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:15 AM Flag
[ - ] I think my friend's dd is transgender. She's 4. I am dying to talk to friend about it but it's probably not my business, and she probably has not even thought about it. 30 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 07.11.08, 05:49 AM Flag
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transgender or tomboy or lesbian? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:51 AM Flag
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omg - keep your opinion about this to yourself. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:52 AM Flag
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Can a 4 yo even be transgender? I thought most didn't realize it until around puberty. MYOB either way. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:54 AM Flag
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did you see that barbara walters special the other night about little 2 year olds coming out as transgender? it's really heartbreaking and does happen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:12 AM Flag
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Yes I saw that. It didn't surprise me at all. But it was very sad. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:15 AM Flag
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You are CRAZY. You really are nuts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:04 AM Flag
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NP: I think it's really sad that someone would post "You are crazy" as a response to a real concern. It just shows how biased and insensitive we are to transgender people. If this little girl really is transgender, and as a psychotherapist it sounds like she may be (but who knows, we don't know the little girl and can't observe her here), she will be faced with a very difficult world. The friend's concern is very real. The transgender issue is a cruel twist of fate and transgendered people, whether 4 or 44, should be treated with kindness and care, and those of us who are concerned for their welfare are certainly not CRAZY. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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why do you think this? give specifics. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:15 AM Flag
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She constantly declares that she is a boy, will only wear boy clothes, will not talk to or play with any girls, walks like a boy, acts like a boy, and it seems to go beyond tomboyishness. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:20 AM Flag
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np: and you think your friend hasn't noticed? You think you need to make a big deal out of it? Why? What result are you hoping for? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:20 AM Flag
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She is 4! My brother did the girl thing when he was young, but he's not transgender or gay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:33 AM Flag
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DH here. I agree with this. Up until I was around 10 years of age I was very feminine. I friends were all girls, I played with dolls, etc. etc. I was definitely not transgender, [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 08:19 AM Flag
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my SIL told everyone her name was Mike b/c she wanted to play football instead of dolls. And wore boy clothes b/c they made more sense for similar reasons. she's totally normal, feminine, married mom of two these days. Plus one of her daughters is a total girlie-girl, which is hilarious. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 02:00 PM Flag
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NP: The difference is supposed to be that many children want to be "like" the opposite sex or even want to "be" the oposite sex, but transgendered children insist that they "ARE" the opposite sex. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 02:14 PM Flag
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but not at the age of 4 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:35 PM Flag
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4 is LATE for a truly trans-gendered child to express their certainty that they are of the opposite sex in their soul. Truly trans-gendered kids start clarifying that they are really boys or girls around age 2...the same age that most children begin to understand that they are boys or girls and become aware of their bodies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:47 PM Flag
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source please [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:25 PM Flag
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do you have any degrees in child psychology? if not, shut yer piehole. and tell the girl if kisses her own elbow she will magically turn into a boy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:45 AM Flag
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Wow, how vicious. People get so enraged when it comes to sexuality. Read the therapists response above. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 08:24 AM Flag
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how exactly does a 4 yo "walk like a boy?" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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maybe she's transgender, maybe she's not. either way, its really inappropriate for you to bring it up. If she is, it will declare itself without you intervening. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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itta [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 08:21 AM Flag
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More likely or not, she is just a tomboy. I was one, and turned out just fine. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 08:27 AM Flag
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I have a friend I think she is gay and her daughter is gay and neither are out (ok, well daughter is only like 8 years old). I think it's better to know who you are, express it and be it. Would promote more tolerance in the long run. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 08:45 AM Flag
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it's not appropriate for you or anyone else to "out" another person, regardless of their age, for the greater good of promoting tolerance in the long run. MYOB. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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Particularly if the child is 4 years old. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 12:55 PM Flag
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The child is 4. She might or might not turn out to be transgender, it is really too early to know. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 01:01 PM Flag
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I agree that it's way too early to know. Kids go through all sorts of phases. Sometimes it's a lot better to wait and watch instead of making a big deal out of something prematurely. How would your friend react? If the girl doesn't turn out to have a gender issue, why create one? If she does have a gender issue, there's plenty of time to become more sure (over the coming years), and then helpful and sensitive steps can be taken. In the meantime, I hope the girl is just allowed to be herself. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 01:11 PM Flag
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i don't think you should mention the word "Transgender" to your friend unless she opens the door. I think you will better serve your friend if you find ways to let her know that you recognize and accept these traits in her daughter, and that you like the child and think highly of the child and her mother. I think your friend knows more than you do and if you've observed it, I'm sure the child's mother has observed it, too. What she probably needs is to see that others won't ostracize her child or think the family is weird. Let your friend know that her observations are valid and that you like this child the way she is. But don't do it in a pushy way...just open the door and if your friend is looking for validation or confirmation of her own suspisions she'll let you know. This is a very touchy and private matter and it is up to the family and then the child to recognize or not to recognize the situation. That said, transgendered children are VERY rare. Odds are it's just a boyish little girl. She might grow up to be Ms. America. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 02:07 PM Flag
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I agree with the above poster. I also think it's none of your business, that gender and sexuality are fluid, and that it comes off as gossipy and holier-than-thou to want to discuss this in terms of the label of "transgender". wtf cares? get a life. get to know the little girl (boy) if you care about her (him), not to see her (him)through the blinders of this probably-not-even-accurate label, but to learn what a real human experience not yet clouded by adult ideas, concepts and pigeon-holes, looks like. you probably could learn a lot from this child, if you chose to. good luck! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:33 PM Flag
[ - ] Went to Hoboken last night to visit a friend who moved there a few months ago. I had never been there and was completely amazed! Oh my God, it is like another world there! It was so nice, so much nicer than Bklyn. I was shocked. I loved it. 22 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 07.11.08, 05:48 AM Flag
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Hoboken resident here...don't tell anyone. Please let it be our little secret. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:50 AM Flag
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np; but it always floods whenever it rains. Impossible to park (and that was 15 yrs ago before it was "discovered") [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:05 AM Flag
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Not really. It floods in one certain part of town only and we live in the uptown area where parking with a resident permit is not a problem at all. There are a lot of bad myths about Hoboken and I like it that way b/c it's getting crowded enough. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:11 AM Flag
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It is pretty, of course. It's just that friends from the city will never visit you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:34 AM Flag
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OP just said she visited last night! I have friends visit me all the time. It's a very easy trip. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:43 AM Flag
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I find this funny. When I moved to Bklyn in the late 1980s, that's exactly what everyone said. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:00 AM Flag
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But the schools are no good. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:02 AM Flag
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there are two great charter schools and things are changing rapidly in the education system. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:05 AM Flag
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Hoboken was crappy in the 80's, now Brooklyn is over-crowded and too trendy. We need a "new" frontier! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:29 AM Flag
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i loved hoboken. had to move because of job but it is a great place to live [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:14 AM Flag
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The waterfront is beautiful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:18 AM Flag
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I hate Hoboken. all of the fratboys who couldn't afford Dormandy Court ended up there. You don't get out enough. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:38 AM Flag
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the fratboys are downtown, just don't go there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:45 AM Flag
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ITA! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:54 AM Flag
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I think Hoboken is good in many ways, especially if you work downtown. You can still get more space there. We thought about trying it out when DD was born to save money, but stuck it out in a 1Br in the city for a year and a half. Now I'm glad we stayed b/c there are better public school options than in Hoboken. Also, DH and I work Midtown East - a pain to get to from Hoboken. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:43 AM Flag
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if you work on the east side it's a pain to live in hoboken, but if you work downtown it's a breeze, likewise for west side and you get soooo much more for your money than manhattan or bklyn. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:45 AM Flag
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Yes, I agree. But my point is that if you switch jobs or have a child that will start K soon, it loses some of it's pluses. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:49 AM Flag
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K and elementary schools are pretty good in Hoboken. Especially if you live uptown nearer to the better ones, and/or if you can get into one of the two charter schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:06 AM Flag
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The biggest secret is the FREE preschool for 3s and 4s. I have a friend who has been sending her dd to preschool a full day program all 5 days a week for free, and she will go again next year. I'm pg. and considering a move there just for that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:07 AM Flag
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Hoboken resident here: i think that program will be abolished soon. It's getting way too overcrowded and not serving the initial population it was set up for. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:08 AM Flag
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it's getting crowded but they still cap each class at 15 kids with 3 teachers. and it's free. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:08 AM Flag
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OOOH. OP, I stand corrected! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:10 AM Flag
[ - ] What's a good present for 6 yo tomboy? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:04 AM Flag
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swiss army knife, bat and ball, soccer, marbles (I think girls and boys would like these though) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:47 AM Flag
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my girl who likes many stereotypical "boy toys" likes tamagatchi stuff and pokemon stuff. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:53 AM Flag
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Uberstix is a great building set, geared towards boys but who knows why? again- and is truly cool; Hearthsong.com has them on their site. Sorry but a knife of any kind seems truly inappropriate for a young child. Maybe a traditionally male dress-up outfit- astronaut, racecar driver, gorilla, wolfman. My 5 yo girl loves to assume 'male' alter egos, personae andchallenges gender labeling through role play. She is fairly irritated by the TONKA brand's slogan-Toys for Boys. Maybe, the wicked big Tonka Dump Truck is a good one-It's great for year round play. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:17 AM Flag
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Art supplies are gender neutral... children that age love art kits! Legos are also fun. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.12.08, 04:45 PM Flag
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sexual reassignment surgery. they may have coupons. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.12.08, 04:45 PM Flag
[ - ] 3.1 yo dd has recently begun insisting that we call her by another name -- my first name, lol. well, it was funny at first, but now it's just annoying, since when i'm disciplining her or asking her to do something, i'm basically asking myself to do it. sigh. anyone b tdt? do we continue to play along? how long will the phase last? 12 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:00 AM Flag
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I would stop playing along [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:02 AM Flag
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op: do you have a kid this age? why do you say? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:03 AM Flag
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Mine is a couple years older now, but when it comes to the point that dc thinks you should be calling her by a different name when she is being disciplined I find it a bit ridiculous and don't think it sends a good message. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:05 AM Flag
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Just stop. Say, "xyz is your name" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:07 AM Flag
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op: this is my inclination, i'm just generally more of a mind to let creativity flourish and all that, so, don't want to step all over her if it's just harmless, y'know? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:08 AM Flag
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Yes, but now it has crossed over into a problem. So just go cold turkey. You can be nice about it, you can tell her that mommy & daddy picked this special name just for her [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:09 AM Flag
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np: I let creativity flourish, but IMO that is not creativity but a manipulative power play. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:10 AM Flag
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^^^ or has turn into that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:10 AM Flag
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op: mmm, yeah. that's what it feels like. i think they play along at her pre-school, though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:12 AM Flag
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then put your foot down. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:19 AM Flag
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she's testing- and since it's into the realm of discipline, op should take heed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:11 AM Flag
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I think it's nbd. My dd changed her name at that age. It lasted a short time and had no long term consequences. Call her "Miss" or "young lady" when you discipline her. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:13 AM Flag
[ - ] Did you all read this article about the college stats of TT? A very humbling reality check == http://www.nypost.com/pagesixmag/issues/20080629/Private%20School%20Rejects 35 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 04:44 AM Flag
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The article is specifically about Dalton having no kids going to Harvard this year. Did you miss this part of the article? "This year wasn’t a wash for everyone. The Trinity School on the Upper West Side, with a graduating class of 107 students, is sending six students to Harvard, seven to Yale and two to Princeton. The Horace Mann School, with a graduating class of 173, is sending nine students to Yale, nine to Princeton and eight to Harvard . . ." [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 04:48 AM Flag
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While the article focused on Dalton, it said the other schools, Trinity, Horace Mann, didn't do as well, either. 25 in total to HPY out of a class of 173 is not that many, given the number of legacies at Horace Mann as well. I was surprised the stats weren't better at Trinity and Horace Mann given the snobbery of parents with kids there! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:26 AM Flag
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what? That is totally in line with the application to acceptance ratio at those schools. Why is it supposed to be much better? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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No it's not. The same article quotes Marymount having sent 4 to Harvard the previous year out of a class of forty something. That's a much better stat than the one Horace Mann can brag about. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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Those parents sound like spoiled brats! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 04:56 AM Flag
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so true [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:26 AM Flag
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it is a total misconception to think that going to a TT school will "get you" into a certain college-there are so many other factors: legacy status, diversity, if you play a sport, class standing, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:31 AM Flag
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^^^not to mention that getting accepted at a school and going there are not the same thing-there are definitely those who get into HYP or could get in but choose to go to smaller, more arty schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:33 AM Flag
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Absolutely true. I get sick of this attitude that HYP is the end-all-be-all. I choose dc's school because of the education, not so that I could one day say my dc goes to HYP. I would be thrilled is dc went to any of the school some of those parents & kids seem to be poo-pooing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:35 AM Flag
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There may be a handful who get into HYP but choose not to go, but let's be realistic. At most, they are only a handful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:35 AM Flag
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Still, statistically it may make a difference. There are also people who just don't apply to those schools. Maybe dc had no interest despite what Mom & Dad wanted and used school restrictions as an excuse [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:36 AM Flag
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Very unlikely scenario -- sorry [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:38 AM Flag
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It does happen, maybe not very often, but it does. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:43 AM Flag
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OK -- this is really not the point of this thread. We're not speaking about the least likely scenarios to generalize about. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:44 AM Flag
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Yeah, but these kids are being prepped from the 7th grade apparently, taking practice tests, drilling vocab works and math skills, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:33 AM Flag
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Lots of kids do that, not necessarily to go to HYP [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:35 AM Flag
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Of course it is to go to HYP or the like Stanford, MIT, etc. Or to get full scholarships. Of course it's about having the best college options. Get real. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:37 AM Flag
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You just agreed - not necessarily HYP, but to have the best college option for that student. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:44 AM Flag
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I never said HYP in my post -- look closesly. My point was about the lengths to which competitive parents will go to in order to maximize their kid's college options. I never said it was ONLY HYP, but obviously if you're so competitive and tunnel-visioned about placement, those school will be on top of the list, as well as the options I mentioned above. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:46 AM Flag
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It is page six, so it's going to only quote weirdos. Anyway, we chose Dalton bec it is the best fit for dc and we haven't considered Harvard accepts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:11 AM Flag
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How did Dalton do with the other Ivies this year? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:12 AM Flag
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Only TT that published 2008 results specifically is Collegiate. Others haven't updated their results but most give 4 or 5 year results together. I would assume no Harvard accepts for 2008 but Yale and Princeton and other ivies accepts since NY Post would not have left it out if they were shut out of the other YP as well. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:07 AM Flag
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I just went to Collegiate's website and results for college are still from 2007 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 11:21 AM Flag
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I don't know how this is humbling to be honest. New Yorkers are jaded to think it is. A tremendous % of these kids go to strong schools, this Harvard thing is just a fun headline. Whether its the strength of the education you get there vs. growing up with parents who are more likely than the average American parent to have resources, be alumni of top colleges, or guide their children to reach for the top colleges is another question! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:02 AM Flag
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- PS: Public school person here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:02 AM Flag
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ITA, the quest for Harvard as if it is the Holy Grail is absurd [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:04 AM Flag
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Harvard isn't just some silly pipe dream. If you were fortunate enough to attend, you'd know the richness of the undergraduate experience it provides, let alone the lifelong validation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:50 AM Flag
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LOL! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:52 AM Flag
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One can also get that at many other schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:52 AM Flag
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Not really. Harvard has outstanding resources that are not available at other good institutions of higher education. That's a fact. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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It has the largest endowment, that does not mean that other schools don't have equal resources & in some areas better. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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The large endowment allows Harvard to do a lot of things other institutions cannot. But Harvard's greatness doesn't just rest with its endowment. It has been a pioneer in higher education. It has nurtured all different types of talent -- from acting to medicine. Overall, it is a spectacular record and an outstanding educational institution. Let's call a spade a spade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:59 AM Flag
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I am not disputing that is a great institution, it obviously is. That said, many other institutions offer just as high quality of an experience and as many opportunities for students. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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^^^that it is [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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No one is disputing that the kids mainly go on to great schools. But if you've ever hung out with their parents, the sense of arrogance and entitlement many exude is suffocating, and it serves the parents right for thinking somehow their kids deserved Harvard more than the kid at the public school in Brooklyn just because their kid went to Horace Mann, Trinity, or Dalton. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:53 AM Flag
[ - ] My dh didn't get the job in Newburyport- too bad, it is such a cute little town 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 04:11 AM Flag
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where is newburyport? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 04:23 AM Flag
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Mass. William Lloyd Garrison was born there [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 04:28 AM Flag
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Sorry, we on the North Shore of Mass. will miss you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 04:49 AM Flag
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The whole area is just lovely. I live in Staten Island now, so you can imagine how good the north shore looked! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:08 AM Flag
[ - ] Where should I retire in FL? Don't like the highrises much, any islands were there are well-educated liberals? Love a place with a sense of community and some history, a walkable downtown. 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 07.11.08, 01:50 AM Flag
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Tallahassee is pretty nice. Cute downtown area. No high rises. St George Island close bby for beachy feel [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 03:58 AM Flag
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Amelia island. The Keys. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 04:03 AM Flag
[ - ] Is seeing a personal trainer worth it? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 07.11.08, 12:49 AM Flag
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yes - completely [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 12:56 AM Flag
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depends on the trainer but for the most part, they can be helpful and really effective [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 03:16 AM Flag
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No, not at all [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:18 AM Flag
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it is for me, b/c i feel more compelled to show up, stick with the program, and perform better. whatever floats your boat. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:30 AM Flag
[ - ] What is the norm cut off date for public K across the country? Is NYC unusual with Jan. 1? 20 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.11.08, 12:48 AM Flag
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among friends/family in mix of private/public, it ranges from sep-dec. most seem to be sep, though this is anecdotal [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 03:18 AM Flag
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6 states have cut-off dates on or later than Dec. 1. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 04:25 AM Flag
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It is Dec. 31 and yes NY is ususual [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 04:29 AM Flag
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it is all over the place. in the south it can be Sept 1. here in westchester it is Dec 31. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 05:10 AM Flag
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43 states have a cut off of 10/15 or earlier (the earliest being 6/1), so yes, NY is unusual. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:05 AM Flag
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but NY and CA are the most populous states and have very late cut-offs, so lots more kids are subjected to the late cut-off than it would seen from number of states [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:34 AM Flag
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keep in mind that cutoffs vary within the state. Even different towns on LI have different dates. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:21 AM Flag
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But all the dates are in December, in general any state with variation has only variation within a month. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:31 AM Flag
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No they aren't. NY is third. Behind Texas. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:23 AM Flag
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Here in CA it's Dec 1st. But it's not strictly enforced. I wish it were earlier. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 06:11 AM Flag
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We're pretty populous in Texas, as well. Our cut-off is 9/1. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 07:42 AM Flag
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Why can't we have a national norm???? All 3 of my kids will be screwed when it comes college time? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 08:34 AM Flag
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Why would that be? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:24 AM Flag
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how are they screwed? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:24 AM Flag
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why are you saying this? because your children might be a year older than most of their classmates? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:26 AM Flag
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or younger. I don't feel like figuring this out right now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:26 AM Flag
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education is a state issue really, and should remain so. Any time fed gov't intervenes, it is a disaster. Think NCLB. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:30 AM Flag
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Also, national norm won't help because plenty of people ignore the cut off anyway. Even in places with Sept 1 cut off, summer kids are routinely redshirted. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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And sometimes younger kids are "tested" to see if they are ready. My SIL lives outside of Chicago & her neighbors thought she was absurd not to test her early Oct. dc for early admission to K. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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It's far far more common to hold kids back then try to push them in early. Very few people consider that these days, and pretty much exclusively with girls only. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.11.08, 10:54 AM Flag
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