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[ - ] how long do you think is acceptable to wait before returning a phone call? personal, not business. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:49 AM Flag
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hmmm... I would say 24 hours if nothing out of ordinary is going on, 36 if something is (like a new baby or sick or huge project at work( [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:02 AM Flag
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also depends on the person i am calling. i always call my parents back the same day; sister by the next day. friends i might take up to 2 days if really busy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:15 AM Flag
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depends on the person, some friends call back right away, others i have to call again and really pin down but the relationship is worth it to me to do so. some have big families, work and are really busy so i give a pass when i don't get a call back and if it's something really important that i need to talk to them about i call again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:02 AM Flag
[ - ] Do young babies have bad dreams/nightmares? Last night my 8 month old was thrashing about in his crib and crying in his sleep. I patted him, and he woke up with a SHRIEK. He was sweaty and looked miserable. Has anyone else seen this? He went to bed so peacefully! 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 07.15.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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could have had a stomach ache or a bad dream [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:50 AM Flag
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teething maybe? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:55 AM Flag
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sure, why not? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:59 AM Flag
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I guess I'm wondering what they could dream about that would be bad? bears? monsters? mommy leaving for work? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:16 AM Flag
[ - ] 3.5 y.o dd started a new camp a few weeks ago and hates it. I found out that an older kid there has been teasing her. Head Counselor is very blase but dd has regressed a bit bec. of this. thinking of pulling her out. Overreacting? Any BTDTs? 19 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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Did you call the couselor to talk about it? What specifically is older kid saying to dd? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:45 AM Flag
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OP: Thanks for answering. Yes, spoke with the director and she said she spoke to the offenders (a group of older boys). They were calling her not so nice names and teasing her for being younger, blocking her way, etc. She is not the only one they pick on. It is carrying over to her and now she wants me to be with her all the time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:47 AM Flag
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I think a second call to the director is in order. If it is serious enough that you are considering pulling her out of camp then it is serious enough for the parents of these boys to be called about this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:48 AM Flag
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OP: ITA. I asked my daughter if the boys apologized today and she said no. then she said she wanted to play in one area but wouldn't go bec. they were there. I told the director but she thinks we need to stick with it. I have to say that I am not leaning in that direction. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:51 AM Flag
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You are sending a bad message to your dd if you pull her out. You need to assure her that the boys got in trouble and wont tease her anymore. Then encourage her to have a good time at camp. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:53 AM Flag
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Also, don't ask your dd if boys apologized. They are little boys and probably wont but you are testing your daughter's level of misery by questioning her like that. Just tell her to stay away from them and speak up if anything else happens. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:54 AM Flag
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OP: The camp is tiny and these boys run it. They were blocking her today from going anywhere. i got there early and saw for myself. Counselors nowhere to be seen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:57 AM Flag
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What camp is it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:57 AM Flag
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sounds like there is a supervision problem. i disagree with poster above that pulling dd is sending the wrong message, but i would also try with the director one more time. this is camp, not school -- camp is not obligatory, and while i believe kids need to figure out social situations and issues on their own, your child is still a preschooler -- not a kindergartner -- and is in need of some adult intervention here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:02 AM Flag
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OP: I kept waiting for that today and what I observed didn't make me want to keep her there. As for refund -- I don't even care. I learned a lesson. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:20 AM Flag
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OP: I tried that but to no avail. I just don't think a 3year old should have to go through this. She loves her school and is fine there. It's this group of kids and the too laid back counselors. I don't think it is a bad message to actually listen to her, but I totally understand where you are coming from. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:56 AM Flag
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How many more weeks is camp? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:56 AM Flag
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OP: 2 - so I figure what the hell. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:58 AM Flag
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I pulled my ds out of his camp. It was a rougher group of kids than he's used to and he was miserable. Definitely regressed a bit. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:53 AM Flag
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IMHO I think that not pulling her out sends a bad signal! Plus, I think you can make a case that a refund is in order due to the fact that this camp has clearly become a "hostile" enviroment for dd. This is complete bullshit. My dd was taking an afterschool class and she kept saying that she didn't want to go - after a few minor investigations on my part it came to light that one of the kids was bullying the other kids, one kid wet his pants he was so terrified. I apologized profusly to dd and got her the hell out of there ASAP. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:07 AM Flag
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^^ my dd was also 3 years-old when this happened and the parents of the bully kid did absolutely nothing to make him stop and actually did the opposite. This kid was really aggresive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:09 AM Flag
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OP: This is how I feel today. I feel awful that I MADE her go. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:19 AM Flag
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OR: don't feel awful. You were operating as best you could based upon the information you have. I understand that argument about the "wrong signal" but your dd is only 3 yo and is not equipped to deal with older, bullying kids. FWIW, my ds has a SEIT who was at the camp with him -- at first she didn't want to take him out b/c of the "wrong signal" argument, but after a couple wks decided that it was best to take him out b/c of the negative environment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 11:09 AM Flag
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Refund talk might make counselors act. Also, gang up with parents of other children bothered by this and make a group effort. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:16 AM Flag
[ - ] IS there a place to go to get dc evaluated to see if they are gifted? DS is 18 months. 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:40 AM Flag
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What would be the purpose? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:36 AM Flag
[ - ] Public School moms - we live in a 4bdr in a bad district. If we buy a 1bdr and then sublet can we send dc to school in that zone? We own the property so technically yes right? 27 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:39 AM Flag
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You need to live there at the start of the school year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:39 AM Flag
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^^whether you own it or rent it does not matter but you need to live there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:40 AM Flag
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why? if we own it doesn't that count? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:40 AM Flag
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Not unless you actually live there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:42 AM Flag
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It's supposed to be where the child LIVES, not where you simply own property. That being said, you could get away with it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:41 AM Flag
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Totally understand. Don't want to have to have dc lie about where he lives and all, but we don't want to move and our zoned school is nto an option. Can't afford private. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:42 AM Flag
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Can't afford private and can afford $500K+ for a 1BR in a good zone. Yeah right. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:44 AM Flag
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Yes - if we sublet then it will eventually pay for itself and be a good investment. Can't afford private for 2 kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:46 AM Flag
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Als0 - dh's income is not steady and may have bad years. Now he is doing well, but you never know. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:47 AM Flag
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The thing I see people get away with is renting something small in a good zone for 1 year and living in it PT. They dc can stay in the school even if you "move". [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:44 AM Flag
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That seems risky, but if it works maybe I could do this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:46 AM Flag
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So you are willing to cheat this way but not the other? Why? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:50 AM Flag
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I feel like if we own property long term we should be able to go to the school there. Rather than just rent for 1 year as a scam. We're invested in the zone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:51 AM Flag
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Be that as it may, the rules are clear -- your child's school is defined by his/er residence. It doesn't matter what you own. It matters where you go to bed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:57 AM Flag
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ok - then maybe we'll move there for a year. then will this be legit? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:58 AM Flag
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NP and Yes. If you sublet your place in bad zone - rent a place in good zone for a year. Sleep there. Your dc starts school. Then the next year you move back to your first apt. Your dc gets to stay in the school in good zone. HOWEVER, your second dc is no longer guarnateed a spot. Might get one in good school, might not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:05 AM Flag
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the I will move the suburbs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:09 AM Flag
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then all is well, happy hunting! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:14 AM Flag
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thanks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:15 AM Flag
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nnp: is there no hope for zoned school? How about Charter or G&Ts? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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You can feel that way - but that isn't the way it works. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:05 AM Flag
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No I know. I totally understand. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:08 AM Flag
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well, it's dishonest, we're going to have to suck it up and live in a small apartment so that our dc's can attend a good school so it's really not fair to do what you're considering and setting a bad example for the dc's. we'd all love to live in a 4 bedroom and get great schools but it's not possible for a lot of us. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:20 AM Flag
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itttta. i have zero sympathy for op. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:06 PM Flag
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np. this is what we did. we live in a tiny apt. in a great zone. but at least we can sleep at night and know we're setting a decent example for dc. i would hate for him to have to lie to his friends at school. not worth it imo. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:13 PM Flag
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well, tough sh&t. we'd all like to have a huge apartment in a crap zone and send our dcs to a great school, but some of us play by the rules. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:08 PM Flag
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depends on the school, actually. some are more willing to turn a blind eye than others. the most popular schools in manhattan will not put up with this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:07 PM Flag
[ - ] My mom just told me that she lost her engagement ring last year(she got it in 1965 or '66). This is the first I have heard of it and now has me wondering if she really lost it. My parents are poor and the ring is the only thing of value that she had. Many yrs ago (about 15yr ago) they pawned her ring in order to pay bills and buy food. I found out and got it out of the pawn shop for them. I find it odd that it was a yr ago and she never said anything to me. I hope she didn't pawn it again. She loved that ring so much 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:37 AM Flag
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That is sad either way (if it was lost or sold). What a shame that they may have found themselves in such a situation if they did sell it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:30 AM Flag
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op: yes I'm so upset over it. She LOVED that ring. My dad saved up so long to buy it for her and now it's gone. They have been married for 41 yrs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 11:07 AM Flag
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if she pawned it, do you have the money to get it back? If so, just tell her that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 11:19 AM Flag
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op: I asked her if she pawned it and she said no but at this point it's been a yr and most likely sold already. I think she would lie about pawning it as she is very proud and will not even ask or take money from me (or anyone) even when she really needs it. I can't replace the diamond but am thinking about getting a replica made with a great CZ (she uses CZ) for their anniversary. I feel helpless and sad [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 11:21 AM Flag
[ - ] Anyone's dc go under general anethsia? Mine is going tomorrow for minor procedure. Anyone BTDT? 19 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:22 AM Flag
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my nephew and niece just did within the last 1-2 mo (each a diff. procedure). It was fine but harder on my sis [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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^^she was allowed to stay with them until they were sedated (but not intubated) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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My nephew was upset when he woke up but my niece wasn't. It all depends on the dc. He was calmed down quickly once he saw his parents. He had his tonsils and adnoids (sp?) removed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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Thanks. He goes nuts when we brush his teeth so I am expecting him to be upset. I feel so bad, but the doc said we really need to do this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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you're welcome. My sis said it was harder for her than him. GL and I'm sure he will be ok [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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were they very upset when they woke up from it? how were they the next day? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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My now 3.5 yo did. He was 18mo at the time. Not a minor proceedure but all is well now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:41 AM Flag
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How was he after he woke up? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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Out of it. Probably not much more than me or his mom though... It is amazing how quickly he bounced back. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:47 AM Flag
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Thanks - this is so encouraging. Thank you so much for sharing. You have really helped me today prepare for this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:49 AM Flag
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Bring something really easy to read. Like a mindless novel you already read and loved. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:51 AM Flag
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My ds was sedated intravenously for an ophthalmological procedure. It was probably harder on me than on him. Good luck! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:49 AM Flag
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Mine did, at 2.5yo, though not for a minor procedure. The going under wasn't so bad, but coming out of it was awful - heartwrenching. She doesn't remember it, fortunately, but it was absolutely awful to watch. They eventually gave her some morphine so she could sleep a bit more, and when she woke up from that it was a bit better. I don't mean to freak you out, but just be aware that it can be ugly. GL. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:58 AM Flag
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DB is pretty sensitive. Is this standard? They give htem morphine? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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My dd is very sensitive as well, so I wasn't surprised that she reacted so horribly. I don't know if it's standard to give them morphine - when she couldn't calm down after the first hour, the nurse suggested it, especially since at some point dd said "it hurt." She slept for about 30 minutes and we were able to leave shortly after that. She was 1000% better as soon as we left the hospital. May I ask what surgery your dc is having? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:21 AM Flag
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my 6 mo old db did -- it was stressful but i had full confidence in the anesthesiologist and surgeon. he was fussy when he came out of it but was himself a few hours later.. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:10 AM Flag
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df's child had a pretty serious allergic reaction. very scary. ICU for 3-4 days. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:14 AM Flag
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how old? what happened? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:14 AM Flag
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6mo ds had one. He was fine after a few hours but I found it really hard. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:28 AM Flag
[ - ] Since this years G & T testing was a bust in terms of leveling the playing field & getting low-income kids in, how do you think they will change admissions so it isn't a UMC relief program? 58 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.15.08, 09:11 AM Flag
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my question is, how do you know it was a bust succeeding in meeting the goal you describe? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:15 AM Flag
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I really don't think that's the ultimate goal. I think the goal was to create a system of admissions that could withstand lawsuits. They've standardized the process citywide and acheived universal access to the tests which was the biggest stumbling block in the past. Some may say they're concerned about the skew to UMC, but I really don't think the lawyers or Klein truly care about that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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Every interview I have ever heard him give belies that opinion. I can't see into his heart but his actions and his words both suggest he really does want to make the G&T system (and good education in general) more egalitarian. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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np: but the fact is that dcs with educated parents and access to quality preschool/daycare are as a group going to do better on those tests. Unless you can level the playing field PRIOR to K, G&T will always be skewed towards the UMC. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:36 AM Flag
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But...unless Klein/DOE can come up with a way to make that happen that inures the process from lawsuits it ain't gonna change. He may feel bad, but his bottom line is to protect the DOE and the city from the multi-million dollar lawsuits that were won against other cities over G&T admisssions. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:40 AM Flag
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this is bs. we are headed to anderson, and at the orientation, it was clear that the K class represented diversity on many levels. I think we all may just be surprised at the level of diversity achieved with this process. of course district programs will be more likely to reflect the district, but for citywides in particular, the class does not look like umc largely [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:11 PM Flag
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Thanks to the lovely , friendly folks at the g&t this year's incoming K class at Anderson was the most visually and geographically diverse by far. They know neighborhoods and whom is likely to live there. This has been complete bs and some of the hard selling they've done on the phone, trying to talk disgruntled parents of non-placed 99s was actually quite inappropriate. Incoming parents' professions, races and other details were mentioned(advertised). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:40 PM Flag
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*sorry*.. were mentioned, in relation to the "up and coming' district programs that parents were left with, didn't choose and were being offered, etc. And there is more. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:42 PM Flag
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what on earth are you talking about? Your post is not understandable. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 05:53 PM Flag
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I am saying 'Blind Schmind"; The diversity of the incoming K class at Anderson is not a pure outcome of a blind process;I am saying that some persistent parents of kids whom scored 99, yet did not get citywide seats, were very actively in communication w/ the g&t office. The variety of outright brokering that did in fact occur was truly absurd. The process is a sham. That's what I'm saying... We did well but too many were failed in this process. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:00 PM Flag
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NP: You are claiming there was brokering of citywide seats by OSEPO? What drugs are you ON? This is the most absurd thing I have read on UB in a long time. Please provide some evidence to back up this specious claim. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 03:41 AM Flag
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agree -- don't make such claims unless you are prepared to offer concrete evidence that proves your point. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 10:33 AM Flag
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look, no matter what 'evidence" she offers, she proves nothing. there is no way she could prove that 50 kids were brokered into any school. the paranoia generated by this process is mind boggling. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 03:31 PM Flag
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I know of no brokering for citywide seats and didn't mean to infer any such thing; Although I don't believe that the process was a random group of 99s, devoid of attention to districts or geography. I was solely referring to some options- district- offered as appeasement to parents of some unplaced kids which had not been listed on their g&t applications. One parent posted here last month. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 08:27 PM Flag
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that doesn't mean that the process wasn't by and large random. maybe citywides are diverse because there were kids in the lotto from all over? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 02:44 PM Flag
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where is dc going? are you d6 mom/ did they finally give you a good d3 seat? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 03:38 PM Flag
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We're going to a progressive and no; I'm not a d6 parent. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 08:31 PM Flag
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huh? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 07:01 PM Flag
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grow up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:03 PM Flag
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That may be goal of the overall education system, but G&T is not egalitarian by any means, since IQ does correlate with income and socio-economic status. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:38 AM Flag
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We can argue over whether that correlation makes the system egalitarian or not but I don't think you can disagree that, within the framework at hand -- he has done a lot (more than anyone else) to make the system more open and equitable. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:54 AM Flag
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Hello Mrs. Klein, I'm sorry; it must be just awful to defend his terrible lack of competence and fitness for chancellorship. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 02:33 PM Flag
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I wondered where the status quo was... where've you been all day? Out doing nothing? We missed you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 02:37 PM Flag
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Mwah.Mwah. I'm just popping in and right out; Missed you too... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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...but seriously, I held back as long as I could on this but had to poke my nose in for a quick jab. I can't really get into this a a umc or not issue. There are simply too few good schools -period and the G&T fiasco this year was so costly, in so many ways, to so many. It's been so gross...I don't see it getting better. My kid has been graded, assessed, evaluated and blabetyblah as pg. AND? I am a big supporter of inclusion. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:27 PM Flag
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Fair enough (and I suspect Joel Klein would love to see fewer/no G&Ts but is unable to do that. Partially it would be political suicide and partly he needs to respect that he is a public servant.) BUT if you are going to have a G&T system in NYC -- I think the one Joel Klein has moved toward and has as his goal is a better and more fair one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:39 PM Flag
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Klein is completely indifferent to the middle class. He does not care where the kids go to school or whether they go to school with each other only or with disadvantaged kids. He sees his job as helping the vast majority of underprivileged kids. The mc kids are irrelevant to that. The GT policy is a protection against lawsuits, and is the kind of centralization he likes since he thinks most people in the system who arent his people are idiots. (Although there is no evidence so far to indicate that his people are less idiotic than anyone else in teh system.) Other than lawsuits, it's hard to see what he hopes to accomplish with the big changes. Sibling policies in GTs mean more segregation by neighborhood. And siblign policies in citywides - especially since they only apply in district - seem really segregation-friendly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:04 PM Flag
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I agree with above but would add, it seemed like last year was transitional all along. The goal is universal (or near universal) testing of K kids for G&T. That will do a lot to make the population more like the city's population. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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Not any more, universal testing is off the table now due ot budget issues. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:39 AM Flag
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I think it's going to be universal testing by request. It won't be automatic for K students in 2008-2009 as proposed initially. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:41 AM Flag
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by request is not what I'd call universal, and it was by request this year too [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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Well it's universal in the sense that it's free and available for the asking, just not automatic as originally proposed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:45 AM Flag
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It is still the goal, no? Might not be implemented next year but that doesn't take away from the credit he deserves fro making it the goal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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Not sure, there was a fair amount of backlash from people not wanting to have their kids tested. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:55 AM Flag
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I think it is fair to allow parents to opt out. Hell, to not allow that would be gross. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:58 AM Flag
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np: interesting. why? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 12:50 PM Flag
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I'm guessing they'll change it in the low-income nabes to let in the top 5 or 10% kids (compared with their peers, not nationwide %iles). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:20 AM Flag
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Even when there was no cut-off many of these programs did not have enough kids to fill them so I don't think that is a solution. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:39 AM Flag
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Whats your plan? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:46 AM Flag
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If the goal is to make more lower-income and diverse dcs eligible for G&T universal preK and ideally also high quality 3s preschool options are the only answer IMO. Without the enrichment, those kids are too far behind to score well enough already. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:54 AM Flag
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the goal is to fill the seats with qualified children. Not to make g&t more lower income or diverse. That said, another goal was to get the word out about testing to groups that might not be in the loop (i.e. lower socio/economic groups. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:58 AM Flag
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I will get flamed, but here goes. NYC public school starts in K (actually first, but another issue). I don't believe it is the job of the nyc public school system to have universal prek or preschool for 3's. It starts in K. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:59 AM Flag
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Right now it is not, but I think school would benefit if it changed. As it is there is way too much of a gap between kids coming in and getting the group that is behind to catch up is costly and those kids learn to hate school from day '1'. It is sad to be considered a dummy for not knowing the alphabet when nobody ever taught you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:18 AM Flag
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imo, it IS their responsibility to provide the same quality of education to ALL learners from K on. Failing that- which they have, do and will continue to do, leaves our kids spending even more school hours preparing for yet another mandated test, another thief of a school experience designed by an inept, numbers driven (dis)Organization.. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:35 PM Flag
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I disagree - becuase of new criterioa this past year many programs in low income nabes are being closed (programs that were running and filled when they were allowed to take the top 10% of kids in neighborhood). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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how do you know it was a bust? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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90 and above were granted district seats; What changed? Not much in terms of improving most district programs-but 2 programs I know of, with kids to fill them- were closed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 07:32 PM Flag
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They may have changed things, but the plan was to test ALL K students starting next year. That should help [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:45 AM Flag
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I'll add, the plan was described to me as: initial test of all K children. If child scores high enough, contact parents of said child and say your child scored high and should probably take test for g&t if you want. Then parents decide. I like that idea. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:47 AM Flag
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that is about what I heard. Bracken for all, OLSAT for high scorers [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 12:48 PM Flag
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I'm also not sure about the forcing kids to take the test aspect - in Brooklyn, if dc was in private pre-K, parents had to go out of their way to register and bring kid to take the test. Where was it automatically administered? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 02:08 PM Flag
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They said all kids in public pre-K were going to get the Bracken. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 02:10 PM Flag
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i predict they will do away with the bracken. too easy to cheat now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 04:21 PM Flag
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G&T was created to be a UMC relief program; now they're trying to figure out how to open it up more without it costing more. If they just opened up G&T Kindergartens in boroughs other than Manhattan, this wouldn't have been an issue. They let us all to believe they'd create G&T seats based on need, but they didn't. So, hundreds and hundreds of kids who scored above 90 (and even 97) had no place to go locally and there weren't enough citywide seats to meet demand. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 12:27 AM Flag
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G&T actually is older than the middle class. It dates back to just after the end of the Civil War. It got a huge push after Sputnik (1957/58(?)). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 03:44 PM Flag
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in NYC? I think G & T in a major urban metropolis is very different from elsewhere in the US. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 04:29 PM Flag
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I googled to check if I was right, the first G&T was in St Louis. (I was right.) First school devoted to G&T was in Wooster, Mass. in 1901. Interesting site with timeline: http://www.nagc.org/index.aspx?id=607 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:14 PM Flag
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I was talking about the current incarnation of the G&T programs in Manhattan, especially districts 2 and 3. They were funded as magnet programs in the 1970s and 1980s to stem the tide of UMC moving out of NYC and taking their tax revenue with them. The public school system was on the verge of collapse. I'm not talking about the pedagogical process of tracking students through different programs (some had honors labels, or SP - which was a program of skipping a jr high school grade, etc.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 05:23 AM Flag
[ - ] My 16 month old DS refuses to eat any vegetables. Any suggestions? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 07.15.08, 09:07 AM Flag
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just put the food out. Let him/her feed himself. Don't try to coax/cajole/force it. It works best if you all eat together and everyone is having the same thing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:11 AM Flag
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avocado is popular among the under 2 no veggies crowd. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:40 AM Flag
[ - ] If your dc started reading very early and on his/her own, how did it evolve? My 16 mo old has become very interested in letters in an ABC book and is now picking a few (especially "O") out of newspapers and magazines that I am reading. 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 07.15.08, 09:00 AM Flag
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normal [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:01 AM Flag
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My 16 month old does this too. So cute. He knows all his numbers from 1-8. Guess it's normal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:20 AM Flag
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People on UB will tell you that everything your kid does it normal. There are a lot of smart kids in NY, so you probably see more advanced skills than you would elsewhere. But, I don't know many 16 month olds that know any numbers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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Really? It's so weird. He just started pointing them all out two weeks ago and now it's his favorite thing to find numbers. He gets so excited. I know I am a vb nightmare right now. He knows a lot of letters as well and can sing the alphabet. He can sing up to D and then makes up letters. I did not teach him any of this. I think he got it from sesame street. Is this advanced? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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It is advanced compared to most of the milestone charts out there. Babycenter has some and you can find them by searching google. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:40 AM Flag
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thanks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:41 AM Flag
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it evolved out of mere curiosity. She just learned the letters early on and quickly. Then she wanted to know what signs said (she would recognize a lot so I didn't consider it reading). At almost 4yr old she wanted to learn how to read. We sat down and started putting 2 letter words together. Moved on to three letter words, ect. My younger dd is almost 4yr old and asking me to teach her. First let them learn the alphabet, then the sounds, then start putting 2 sounds toghether. Grows from there [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:03 AM Flag
[ - ] I posted below about the nanny who won't be available in the mornings anymore. We were planning on giving her a small raise for her anniversary, but now that we will probably have to pay someone a premium for working part time, I don't think we can swing giving her more. Do you think I should explain it to her, or just say nothing? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:55 AM Flag
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how many dc's do you have? How many hours does nanny work and how much is she getting paid now? Only asking because if she is under market she will probably go elsewhere otherwise I think it is perfectly fair. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:59 AM Flag
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We have two in Bklyn and she gets $15/hr, does nothing but watch the kids (no housekeeping, etc.) The rub is that DD will be going to school fulltime in the fall, so she'll only be watching one most of the day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:00 AM Flag
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That is a very fair rate -- I would not give her a raise but if it all works out maybe a nice year end bonus. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:19 AM Flag
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I cannot imagine that she would be expecting a raise while asking you to accomodate her schedule. Since the PT person is only watching 1 dc, I can't imagine you'd be paying her more than you pay your nanny to watch 2 dc. Plus, lots of nanny's want AM hours because their "child/children" is in school and their FT family has cut down their hours. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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what makes you think she or a friend of hers isn't reading this? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:22 AM Flag
[ - ] If your dd goes to Spence (or was accepted to Spence), what's her erb score? 15 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.15.08, 08:40 AM Flag
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LOL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:47 AM Flag
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50 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:35 AM Flag
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99 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 11:00 AM Flag
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I think they have a 95 cut off. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 11:10 AM Flag
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No they don't! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 11:15 AM Flag
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no they have a 99 cut off [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 12:14 PM Flag
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482 You people are strange [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 11:13 AM Flag
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99s [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 11:52 AM Flag
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99x3 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 03:14 PM Flag
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93 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 03:17 PM Flag
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No one will post a legitimate low score below high 90s because they know they're rare at Spence. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 03:22 PM Flag
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that makes no sense -- this is an anonymous board [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 08:18 AM Flag
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Right. But if someone posted 90, that kid is a rare bird (and if S admin was checking out the board, they'd know who posted). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 11:51 AM Flag
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op said "or was accepted spence". . . . do you really think they keep track? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 01:51 PM Flag
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88 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 11:52 AM Flag
[ - ] Did you ever have an experience that made you believe in God? What was it? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 07.15.08, 08:39 AM Flag
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Many. why do you ask? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:07 AM Flag
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Just curious. What was it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:21 AM Flag
[ - ] They're making another School of Rock movie, that's exciting. Did you guys like it? What do you think of adult music for kids? http://musicstreaker.wordpress.com/ 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:37 AM Flag
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Excellent movie...my dc loves it too. Some kids music seems so condescending. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:39 AM Flag
[ - ] cobble hill or park slope? 0 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:29 AM Flag
[ - ] I'm nauseous and have chills. Could this be related to ovulation? It's day 16. TIA 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:28 AM Flag
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Only if you get like that every month and if so I'd see a Dr [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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