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Dear UrbanBaby community,

Thank you so much for being a valued member of the UrbanBaby community. We wanted to inform you that we are shutting down the site on July 6th. We are grateful for your participation and support that has helped make UrbanBaby such an important resource to parents for many years.

If you have any questions or concerns, you can email us at urbanbaby-support@cbsinteractive.com.

Thanks so much,

UrbanBaby Support

[ - ] why is UB shutting down? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:05 PM Flag
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They don't make any money off of it, why should they keep it open? I am surprised it lasted as long as it did. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:13 PM Flag
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Yepn this [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 09:29 PM Flag
[ - ] At what age do dcs actually learn to swim? Did they learn from one season-length class or was it an ongoing activity? Thinking of signing up 2.5 yo for a swim class (mostly for something to do) but wondering if I'm better off waiting until he can actually learn to swim. Feel like I'll end up needing to sign him up again in a couple of years. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:01 PM Flag
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I’d wait a bit, it’s not that fun to sit by the pool. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:10 PM Flag
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at a young age, it depends on their desire and attitude, mostly... my dcs learned at 4, 7, 5 and 2 respectively. youngest was motivated to get in the pool early! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:16 PM Flag
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Depends. I had dd take 1-on-1 lessons at YMCA for 1 weeks which yielded nothing. On the other hand, when we were at the grandparents summer home with pool, I taught her in a few hours. She was 5yo, tall enough to stand in 3' depth without drowning so we devised a game where she had to paddle to me without touching the bottom because it was full of sniping crabs. With each challenge, I'd step further and further away from her until her efforts spanned the length of the 3' pool run. I put a boogie board in front of me because it's easier for her to reach for something stiff than wet and slimey skinned mom. So she mastered treading water and paddling that way. It was a big milestone so she took a soda and chips break. A few hours later, the next challenge was going over to the deep end where I challenged her to touch the bottom of the pool. She couldn't and so then understood buoyancy. After that she was in and out of the water without much supervision. Another friend's son basically hung off the stairs of the deep end, quietly balled himself up now and then and realized he could float. And that was that for him. For some kids, understanding their buoyancy is key. For others, combining a relaxed pace of learning also helps. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:43 PM Flag
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:57 PM Flag
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will it be EST or PST? Who else is going to try and get in the last 11:59pm post. or wait will it be up tomorrow until 11:59pm? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 09:20 PM Flag
[ - ] Did anyone crack how to grab "Watched posts" without the hassle of saving every page as a pdf or word doc? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:15 PM Flag
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how do i get the whole page? I figured I would have to screenshot and do multiples per page [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:19 PM Flag
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OP: Think it's better to do as web pages. PDFs came out really strange. Depending on your OS, when in browser, press Ctrl+S to open the Save As dialog box. (Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox, and Google Chrome) save the page as "Web Page, complete" setting. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:49 PM Flag
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Thank you!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:45 PM Flag
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now I feel like an idiot. I did crtl A, (select all) crt C and then copied into 21 seperate email msgs. Oh well they will be fun to look some day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 09:22 PM Flag
[ - ] We need to sort this out before this site shuts down tomorrow. Someone started nycitymoms and it looks great. Haven’t posted...but looks easy to read. Another person is working on UrbanBaby.net. But I think she has a newborn, renovating house and I so appreciate her doing this for us. I don’t want to step on her toes....but if nycitymoms is up and running ...shall we go with that? YouBe Mom just is not user friendly to me...and DCMoms was so nice to welcome us — but just not the same. I do appreciate all you guys have done to keep us going. Thank you! 21 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:59 PM Flag
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NYC moms yes [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:03 PM Flag
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be careful signing up for NYC moms, there is a way you can inadvertently sign up with your facebook account (almost did it!). Also, if that mom threw the site up, it might not be scalable or might be vulnerable to the spam situation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:08 PM Flag
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I'm the mom that made nycitymoms site. I just disabled the facebook and google login. And I'll try to moderate for spam. As for scalability, we'll just have to see if people actually join. I can invest time if enough people are on it. Keep the suggestions coming! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:28 PM Flag
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Thanks for addressing!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:30 PM Flag
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It looks great, awesome job! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:43 PM Flag
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It looks great, thank you for doing this! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 07:32 PM Flag
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Can you be anonymous when posting and would you always require to show user Id like in reddit or citydata. Also will you moderate people using profanity as urbanbaby allowed it and youbemom definitely doesn’t moderate [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 07:52 PM Flag
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yes once you sign up, you can change your username to anonymous or whatever nickname you want. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:00 PM Flag
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Dude, youbemom.com already has a ton of UB peeps on it. Why the panic? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:42 PM Flag
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I tried youbemom when it started when UB was morphing, and I could never get the same vibe [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:51 PM Flag
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+1 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:17 PM Flag
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I like it better, it’s fast moving. Topic is quickly discussed and abandoned and off everyone’s radar. Easy to log on and leave with short conversations if you are busy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 07:54 PM Flag
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I agree with OP we have two moms who care enough to do a lot of work to give us a new home and we may as well all jump to one new spot together. I actually love the idea of keeping our community alive and cohesive in one new place and this site may shut down at midnight tonight. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:56 PM Flag
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I agree with OB too. If we all spread out over 3-4 sites, the UB crowd will be no more. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:06 PM Flag
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Yes I second this. Lets all decide one site to keep the original UB intact [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 07:31 PM Flag
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Will nycitymom.com ban people for saying f word [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:17 PM Flag
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Can we just all try NOT to use the f word? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:27 PM Flag
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this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:35 PM Flag
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Why? Many times, it's appropriate. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:39 PM Flag
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I feel like the anonymity here is what's making it hard to rally everyone in one direction haha. The blessing and the curse of this place. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:35 PM Flag
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I am on nycitymoms.com [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 09:22 PM Flag
[ - ] I'm sure this has been discussed, but why are they taking the site down? It's been helpful and funny, even with occasional trolls. 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:36 PM Flag
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anthro mom, 1) they never monetized it 2) traffic is way down, in 2014 posts would get hundreds of replies 3) because of that it isn't valuable so they stopped having a moderator but then there were real names and phone numbers and porn posted so moderators had to come back or risk poor publicity [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:00 PM Flag
[ - ] I was on here the other day and someone was going to open a new urban baby site. Does anybody know what the web link is? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:15 PM Flag
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www.nycitymoms.com [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:40 PM Flag
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see here for archive and location of us in future https://ubarchive.net/ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:41 PM Flag
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So we keep checking this website for more info? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:47 PM Flag
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Will this be an archive of all posts ever? That’s amazing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 07:03 PM Flag
[ - ] Another name poll: Marcus. Thoughts? 12 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:33 PM Flag
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I like it! Unique but too weird, uncommon but everyone has heard it before/can spell it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:39 PM Flag
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*NOT too weird [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:41 PM Flag
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used it as a middle name. like it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:56 PM Flag
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I like this name a lot [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:13 PM Flag
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I like it. I also like Marco. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:47 PM Flag
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Have always liked Marcus :) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:02 PM Flag
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I always think of Shenkenberg from ages ago. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:14 PM Flag
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Samuelsson [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:14 PM Flag
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Is Marcus a AA name? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:34 PM Flag
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He's SWEDISH, it's a Swedish name! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:54 PM Flag
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Marcus Samuelsson is what his name was changed to after he was adopted by a Swedish couple. He was born in Ethopia and his birth name was Kassahun Tsegie. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 07:31 PM Flag
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It’s Latin- Marcus Aurelius, for example. Latin mom. See you all on nycitymoms and or urbanbaby.net. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 09:33 PM Flag
[ - ] DH wants to buy a second home in Rhinebeck. We already have a co-op in NYC, and I feel like I want to maintain both cash and and flexibility. He is afraid to "miss out" on a good home as he feels they are getting snapped up. I see his point, but I think it safer to wait and see what happens to the city, compensation levels for NYC professionals (we are both in finance), and overall post-pandemic dynamics. Am I being too conservative? We have two couples we know who just bought second homes, and they are comparably to slighty worse off than us financially. Anyone else wondering about this? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:24 PM Flag
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I would want lots of financial flexibility now but it’s hard to answer without knowing your specifics. I will say the pandemic has made me emotionally more risk-adverse. For example I used to take riding lessons weekly and the cost and injury level seems stressful to me now even though my finances are very stable and unchanged and the fall risk is no different from before. It’s just a mindset but I’m fine going with risk aversion if it makes me feel calmer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:35 PM Flag
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I think you and dh are both understandably trying to take control of a stressful situation where we have no control - you by controlling finances, he by asserting control to get a property. Maybe both are coping mechanisms and there is a meeting in the middle? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:37 PM Flag
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PRices are way up in that area. Like 20% and bidding wars right now. Not sure if now is the time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:52 PM Flag
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This. We are in the area, I would say they are even going for up to 40% in some cases above what I would have expected last summer. I would rent if you can, and wait until next summer to buy when things are stable, or other buyers have regrets about home ownership and the PITA it is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 09:15 PM Flag
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As long as rates stay low, you have little price risk in the home - people can afford the payments. If rates rise, the housing market will tank, unless it's because of real inflation, in which case owning a house with a mortgage will be accretive to your net equity. I think you wait until the summer is over, and try in the mid-fall, if you still want one. Unless the location is perfect, there is roughly an infinite supply of land + crummy houses which will always be fairly priced for the economic environment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:10 PM Flag
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We aren’t loaded, but we live comfortably. We rented a beach shack for 6 summers before pulling the trigger on buying 3 years ago. We decided to buy as it’s a key piece of our retirement plan and we wanted to get it paid off before we are on a fixed income. My husband is almost 54. I can’t begin to tell you how great it’s been to have this house during this time. Prior to the pandemic, having our second home to escape to regularly made living in the city much better. We were hoping to keep our budget 1mm or below, the less the better, but was willing to go upwards of 1.2mm. We wound up buying a place for 750k and had to put 100k in to it...and this is a house that seemed pretty much plug and play. We would have been considerably more stressed if we had bought upwards of our max budget. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:24 PM Flag
[ - ] Funny throw away posts as I clean out my watched: 18 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:53 PM Flag
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http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55315096 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:53 PM Flag
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not funny, but I'll never forget this one http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55323492 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:59 PM Flag
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who knows the nswers to these questions now? http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55185600 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:50 PM Flag
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Buried in here is the original sweater mom post: http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55055365 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:55 PM Flag
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wow legendary [ Reply | More
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http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55242327 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:58 PM Flag
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bwahah ebola fears http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55325638 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:26 PM Flag
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wonton soup container http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55334828 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:31 PM Flag
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Just died laughing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:28 PM Flag
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np. Funny, but with the TP shortages, some may have resorted to that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:17 PM Flag
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the best thing about that post is that the WSCM was also laughing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:48 PM Flag
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predictions on reactions if cbs pulled plug http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55339515 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:33 PM Flag
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What is the dumbest thing you've ever believed? http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55897878 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:37 PM Flag
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The famous Three Lobster thread: http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55602130 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:44 PM Flag
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Travel ideas: http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55853714 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:21 PM Flag
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Thank you so much for posting these. Many I do remember but some are new. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:43 PM Flag
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Don't forget to work out: http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55828980 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 07:15 PM Flag
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City living: http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55826671 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 07:21 PM Flag
[ - ] I created a new website: www.nycitymoms.com. It's in very rough shape but it will do for now. Check it out and send me any comments and I'll do my best to incorporate any suggestions and fix any issues. Thanks! 20 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:43 PM Flag
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I like the look and feel of the site! It looks great to me to move over there, TY!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:45 PM Flag
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Thanks! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:46 PM Flag
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OP -- You have to provide an email and password to comment and post (like UB), but you can change your username to Anonymous. Go to Profile and edit your username to be Anonymous, or whatever you want it to be. I think everyone can list themselves as Anonymous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:30 PM Flag
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Thank you! This is really great! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:52 PM Flag
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np: you can also choose a moniker, if you wish (e.g. PennStateMom) by modifying your profile after you sign up [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:58 PM Flag
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Love the name possibility like Lasagna Mom [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:06 PM Flag
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This is great, thanks so much. Really appreciate it. Love the format and user-friendliness... well done! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:51 PM Flag
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+1 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:02 PM Flag
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Looks great! Thank you! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:22 PM Flag
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I can't get in!!! Getting a "this site can't be reached" error. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:24 PM Flag
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Try this: www.nycitymoms.com [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:42 PM Flag
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the originator is working on this site periodically so it's possible that there will be short periods of inaccessibility... keep trying! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:43 PM Flag
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Thats great! Is it anonymous like UB? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 03:53 PM Flag
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OP -- Yes, you can make your username Anonymous, or any other name you'd like. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:00 PM Flag
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Looks good [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:03 PM Flag
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Great job, tks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:33 PM Flag
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Will it be possible to post and tag for multiple boards ? I've just subscribed on the new site, so far ot looks pretty good. Thank you for reminding me to edit my profil with the name "Anonymous" to be able to post ! Let's make it a success ! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 05:48 PM Flag
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I signed up too! Hope UB users will migrate to this site! Thank you for building the site! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 07:45 PM Flag
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It’s too kosher for me, almost like some social media , and I hate social media. I like anonymity and fast moving and honest, albeit sometimes rough conversations. If I want to discuss under my user persona in a highly moderate setting without any controversy and swearing going on, e.g. things I would never in million years discuss in person, then I might as well just post in my local FB mommy group. UB has become a snooze fest, so people started using youbemom. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:01 PM Flag
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Wasn't there also a mom working on urbanbaby.net? I just want to make sure that one doesn't get lost. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:34 PM Flag
[ - ] Ovens - what is better -all gas or gas top and electric oven? need to get a new oven and don't know much about the pros and cons. And yes, I googled... 10 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:33 PM Flag
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I wish I could have my electric oven back. Gas does not brown things the same way. I forget what the process is called, but it has to do with the fact that a by product of burning gas is water. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:02 PM Flag
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Love my induction. So much faster and I never worry about kids accidentally touching it and burning down the house or killing us with leaking gas [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:18 PM Flag
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Gas range and electric oven (duel fuel) is the best. Electric ranges do not cook as well and gas ovens are uneven for baking. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:28 PM Flag
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thanks. What is the reason that you like the electric oven? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:38 PM Flag
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Different poster here - the gas ovens produce water and have to vent it, so the net result is that your baked goods don't brown as well [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:56 PM Flag
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Serious chefs want gas. If you are a regular person who occasionally enjoys cooking but mostly views it as a chore to be done and prefers a clean, neat-looking kitchen, DEFINITELY go for electric. Induction is better / more powerful than regular electric so can kind of split the difference btw gas (more supple/ more powerful) and traditional electric (more tidy-looking and easier to clean). GL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:02 PM Flag
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I had a 30" Jenn Air gas oven thoughtfully specified when I did the full gut renovation. DH went cooking crazy and the house smelled constantly of food. In summer it generated so much heat. I got a small Panasonic toaster oven and it can hold a pyrex with dinner for 4 in there. Pretty much stopped using the gas oven. Then I had the chance to do another kitchen and put a small Sharp Steam Oven in there and I DEFINITELY do not use the 30" Jenn Air for anything but stacking backing pans and occasionally proofing my dough by leaving the light on. Both Panasonic and Sharp use infrared so there is no preheating and because the bake space is small, no need to generate so much unnecessary heat. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:26 PM Flag
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Electric, even for serious chefs. Stove induction or other solutions work very well as a substitute for gas. As for the oven itself, electric allows you to time your cooking, have the oven shut down or start automatically. Could be very practical depending your situation. (During weekends for ex my mom used to prepare Sunday lunch in the early morning (meat or chicken, etc) and then we could all go for a family walk or other activity outside. We would come home and meal would be almost ready. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:31 PM Flag
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The main reason for electric is that it allows you to go with renewable energies. This will become more and more of an issue. We've been buying our energy from wind farms for the past 20 years. Now thinking about adding solar to our second home (currently propane, which comes from fracking :-( [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 04:33 PM Flag
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the electric current in NYC can be erratic [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 06:50 PM Flag
[ - ] Anthro mom here (yet again) I have to go through and screen shoot all my saved pages for the research notes. DH agreed to help yesterday. But I just realized that I can't have him do it because then he will see all the shit I've said about him over the years (and saved so I could see your responses). BUt I guess better to save my marriage than my research. 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:22 PM Flag
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Save your marriage! Put in a word/google doc with some kind of key word per post so you can semi search. I'm one of the weirdo people with no kids (kidding kidding) and I've got time on my hands. I wish I could help! PS, in case it's of interest, I came here to do one more "I should get off the couch and run" post so I could save it. I'll never get from YBM or DCUM the paired fat shaming and encouragement! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:29 PM Flag
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well if you want to help, you can write from a throw away acct and I can send you a questionnaire. anthropologistmom@hotmail.com [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:59 PM Flag
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I will, probably tomorrow, but I will. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:08 PM Flag
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cool. thanks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:10 PM Flag
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I just saved to pdf... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:43 PM Flag
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how? I have 130+ pgs. Going back 9 yrs. Personal and professional [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:58 PM Flag
[ - ] Now that there's only 1 day left.... is it okay if I say FUCK? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 01:01 PM Flag
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It was always okay to curse here. Nobody fucking gave a shit, not even the mods. As long as it wasn't racist. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:25 PM Flag
[ - ] https://ubarchive.net/ has a holding page now, feel free to use to send updates after this site is shut down, I'll post info there if anyone sends me anything. I have all the old posts crawled and downloaded, just need to clean them up for hosting static there. 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 10:10 AM Flag
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hopefully CBS doesn't c&d me [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 10:15 AM Flag
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They will. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:26 PM Flag
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Thank you so much ! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 11:11 AM Flag
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Thank you for all the work! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 11:58 AM Flag
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This is great! than you so much!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 12:35 PM Flag
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Love you [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 02:36 PM Flag
[ - ] URBANBABY.NET : yes, it's happening! It will take me some time (a week? 2 weeks maybe) to set it up but I will try to set things so people can register on the site with their email - and then you'll get a notification once it's live. 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 08:48 AM Flag
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I just put up https://ubarchive.net/ - send me a message there when urbanbaby.net is up and I'll post it! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.05.20, 10:07 AM Flag
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