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[ - ] Does anyone have the contact numbers for dev peds M. Agin, M. Packard or C. McCarton? Thank you. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Special Needs 06.04.08, 05:51 PM Flag
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Agin: (212) 274-9180; McCarton (212) 996-9019; Packard is with NY Presbyterian Hospital of Cornell & Columbia. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:13 PM Flag
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Thank you SO much. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 03:35 AM Flag
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Please take my wording avoid McCarton. She does not do the evaluation herself, has low-level staff assess your child, charges unnecessarily high prices, ensures no follow-up, arbitrarily overemphasizes applied behavioral approaches. Agin is a complete quack--makes unfounded and overstated biomedical claims about fish oil and vitamins etc.. to hook parents into "alternative" approaches and then charges up the wazoo for consultation and follow-ups. see the following links before you commit to these mainstream hucksters: http://autcom.org/articles/BehaviorismApproaches.html http://autcom.org/articles/ParentsEye.html http://autcom.org/articles/RedFlags.html http://autcom.org/articles/Behaviorism.html http://autcom.org/articles/MovementRelationship.html [ Reply | More
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General Topics 11.16.15, 03:56 PM Flag
[ - ] pregnant and sooo congested with a headcold- what can I use do to clear things up? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:48 PM Flag
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Benadryl [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:50 PM Flag
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plain sudafed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:00 PM Flag
[ - ] anyone have the new baby jogger city mini - do you like/dislike? Looking for a sturdy but easy stroller for db due next month. thanks. 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:48 PM Flag
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i'm due in july and just bought one. it looks really sturdy and is so easy to fold. for #1 we did the macs, but i think this looks far better in terms of durability. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:42 PM Flag
[ - ] UVBA: DS has good taste in presents. Not sure how it happened, but he has picked out nice things for me (better than dh, in fact). He's 10. Weird? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:48 PM Flag
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Maybe he's gay? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:50 PM Flag
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No, not gay. But tuned in to people (sometimes too much so). He wants to please others. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:51 PM Flag
[ - ] Haven't been on in a while. It is SLOW!!! 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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VERY [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:48 PM Flag
[ - ] i was asking dd about a girl in her class today and she said "oh, we don't like her". i was floored. apparently, dd's friend told dd that "we" don't like her, so dd has been spreading the word. these kids are 5yo. i guess to a certain extent it's human nature but it just struck me as so sad that they are starting stuff like this so young. 10 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:42 PM Flag
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how did you respind? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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mostly that she shouldn't be mean to anyone. and that she has an obligation to treat everyone with respect and cordiality, even if she doesn't want to play with them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:58 PM Flag
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oh. too bad you didn't tell her that friends who tell her who she can and can't like aren't really her friends. too bad you didn't immediately invite the little girl over for a playdate. too bad you now have a negative opinion of that little girl based on what your dd's friend decided. too bad you are a bitch. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:36 PM Flag
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np:wow! issues much? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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ita. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 07:15 AM Flag
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op: i know this is from last night but in case you come back to check it, i wanted to respond. i disagree with your first point. i think children should not tell other children who they should like or dislike, but that doesn't mean they aren't her friends. Second point: why would i invite a girl over for a playdate if my daughter doesn't like to play with her? Third point: my opinion of the girl they don't like is irrelevant. What is relevant is my child's behavior to that girl. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:05 AM Flag
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point 2: to teach her the right lesson [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 07:16 AM Flag
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the right lesson is not that she has to be friends with everyone. the right lesson is that she has to be friendly to everyone. she has to treat them with respect and be cordial. inviting someone she doesn't want to play with does not send that message. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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is your daughter the troll nobody wants to play with ? you're out of line... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:07 AM Flag
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Wow where you that girl in your young life. These things happen it is part of our youth. it is our job as a mother to demonstrate the correct behaviors. You need to lay off. Are you the parent who would go over and yell at the kids poking fun. Don't you know why we have reunions, so one day when that child becomes a succesfull, beautiful, well rounded adult she can go to her 20 year reunion and see the fat b@#ches and well you know. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 08:19 AM Flag
[ - ] WE're going to a housewarming on Saturday and $$ is tight, we already got a kitchen scale, would i get away with a set of some sort of glasses? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:41 PM Flag
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TArget has wine glasses - the kind with no stem that seem to be in fashion now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:43 PM Flag
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I think just the kitchen scale is plenty. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:44 PM Flag
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nice plant. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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Kitchen scale is good - maybe add a fun food item? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
[ - ] Name poll: Do you like the name Abraham or can you come up w/any variation of it that seems nice? Naming after a deceased relative..Tia 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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Avi, or do it as a middle name, or give another good A name, such as Adam and let family know it's after Abraham. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:45 PM Flag
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I like the name and think Abe makes a cute nickname for a little kid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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Abie [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:48 PM Flag
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I hate the name Abraham; it is just horrible. Do Avi if you need to have it mean Abraham, or, like another poster said, Adam. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:25 PM Flag
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I think I prefer Abram. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:27 PM Flag
[ - ] Going to a bridal shower in 2 weeks. Any suggestions for a fun/cute gift? Most of her registry stuff is already gone and I'm looking for something a little more interesting. 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:36 PM Flag
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don't know how fun or cute it is but someone gave my sis a sample basket of Arbonne baby products and she loves it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:37 PM Flag
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bridal shower, not baby [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:38 PM Flag
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d'oh! Sorry. ;-0 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:38 PM Flag
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do you know where she will be honeymooning? You could do a honeymoon survival kit - beauty products, beach wrap, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:37 PM Flag
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they haven't decided yet, but i like the idea [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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price range? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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going in with a friend so probably $150ish [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:41 PM Flag
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i'd do something alcohol related. assorted wines (red, white, dry, champagne) and wine glasses. or a wine of the month something. and write a note saying it's for all the occasions they'll be sharing together. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:44 PM Flag
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set of small tools - like the stuff you need to change batteries and the things in general you should have around the house for quick fixes. Useful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:41 PM Flag
[ - ] So Dh's comes up with a name that i like for our baby...I think about it for a couple of days and really like it. BUT as it turns out it was my MIL's suggestion. Is it terrible that i do not want to use it now? 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:35 PM Flag
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argh - are there MIL issues? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:38 PM Flag
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wow - well someone sure sounds mature. Not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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tru dat [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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i know- it sounds awful. but you have to meet this woman to understand. she is SO involved (i married her only son)and i tihnk this will just make me crazy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:57 PM Flag
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God forbid you pick a nice name for your dc that you MIL likes too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:59 PM Flag
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ok, clearly i am on the wrong board. back to youbemom..... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:05 PM Flag
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depends. What's the name? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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i think you need to deal with your lying husband first. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:41 PM Flag
[ - ] what's a good fun movie? nothing highbrow, nothing heavy. not something very recent. tia. 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:33 PM Flag
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The Frisco Kid. Some Like it Hot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:39 PM Flag
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thanks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:45 PM Flag
[ - ] I need advice for a new stroller... DD is 3 1/2 months old... I live in NYC and 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:31 PM Flag
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just get a nice umbrella stroller. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:32 PM Flag
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i wish i had had the money for a bugaboo at the time. but a maclaran techno is fine too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:33 PM Flag
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We had a bugaboo frog - only used it in the beginning. After about 7 months we mostly used the Maclaren Triumph, which at 2.5 is still the stroller of choice. The bugaboo is now packed away for the eventual second dc or a cousin. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:36 PM Flag
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or: we started with a maclaren quest and the wheels wore out before a year was up and then we had to buy another one and got a techno. just didn't stand up to our level of use in an urban environment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:38 PM Flag
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Wow - we're on the UES, wheeling around everyday, so far the Triumph is holding up pretty well, 2 yrs later. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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ingelsina zippy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:14 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone else hoping private k spots open up after g&t results come out? any ideas which schools will have openings? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.04.08, 05:30 PM Flag
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none of them. THey all had better than ever yields. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:38 PM Flag
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take my 30k - PLEASE [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:06 PM Flag
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is this a fact? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:11 PM Flag
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bwahaha. so many dropped private spots last year that psd told us they are really on the lookout for anyone they suspect may want public. it will happen again this year, maybe even more so. you people who wanted private so much and didn't get it may find it hard to understand how someone could drop such a scarce and coveted thing as a private spot, but honestly once you actually get one, you look long and hard at whether you actually want it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:42 PM Flag
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i want it. how do people find out what spaces are out there or do you already have to be on the WL? we clearly applied to too few. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:59 PM Flag
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the schools should have let you know if they were very interested in your dc for one of those spots by now. when we applied, many schools told us to call back after G&T results were out. knew of others who were not told this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:14 PM Flag
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problem is we only applied to 5 schools and are on 2 WL. so is possible to apply on the DL now if spaces open up? surely they allow this for people just moving to nyc? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:18 PM Flag
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TTs?? Doubtful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:15 PM Flag
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we gave up Dalton for ps9 G&T if that counts as TT. know others who gave up EC, Rodeph Shalom, Cathedral, Bank Street, and brearley for various G&Ts. it does happen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:59 PM Flag
[ - ] anyone watch 30 days last night? (New show by that guy who did the McDonalds expose - blanking on his name) It was about coal miners in West Virginia and I thought it was hilarious that they had subtitles for the miners. They are apeaking english after all! 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:28 PM Flag
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they were mumbling a lot [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:30 PM Flag
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DH is bilingual but learned English 2nd. We live in the south and he very often struggles to understand people with deep southern accents. And he's lived in the US since 1992. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:30 PM Flag
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OP I know. I understand why they did I guess but it struck me as funny. I'm from the south so maybe I had an easier time understanding. Still funny though. WHat did you think of the show in general? I thought he went out of his way to be fair to both sides. Didn't know he was from there [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:34 PM Flag
[ - ] What is a good bicycle for a 4 year old? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:24 PM Flag
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a regular one with training wheels. toys r us has tons of them [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:25 PM Flag
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specialized makes a very nice line for little kids [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:35 PM Flag
[ - ] Just saw SATC movie today. I never saw Dreamgirls, but based on her performance in SATC, Jennifer Hudson cannot act. 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:22 PM Flag
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ITA...she was not good. Although the script was not broad enough to give her any range or wiggle room in her character. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:23 PM Flag
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ita about the character -- it was such a cheesy, sticky sweet character that didn't fit in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:24 PM Flag
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some would say "trite, " even [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:25 PM Flag
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ita - i didn't realize until after Dreamgirls but the way she was in that movie was just her - no acting involved. but that entire movie was overrated - everyone saying it was "snubbed" at the oscars - nope - it just wasn't that good. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:25 PM Flag
[ - ] I think it's funny that people here trash Kate's parenting style on Jon & Kate + 8. I make my 7 y.o. watch certain parts with me so she can see that other parents are intolerant of their dd's whiny behavior. 12 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:18 PM Flag
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I love Kate. She makes me feel like such a slacker. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:18 PM Flag
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ITA - I think she does a good job from what I can tell. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:20 PM Flag
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I don't have a TV, so I don't know what you are talking about but I think I would like Kate. I can't stand when people think it is okay for kids to whine! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:26 PM Flag
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she has 8 kids and runs a tight ship. anything less would spiral into complete chaos. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:27 PM Flag
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Of course, I feel like chaos will occur with one if you don't run a tight ship [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:29 PM Flag
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i've only seen a few clips of the show but what always struck me was not her parenting but the relationship between jon and kate. something seems off to me. or maybe it's just different enough from my relationship that i can't understand it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:37 PM Flag
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i think if you took clips from mine and dh's relationships, it might be similar (sadly) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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maybe. i'm sure the whole show doesn't accurately reflect things. (after all, a good portion of their life is shard with a camera crew and that fact isn't reflected in the show). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:47 PM Flag
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i think she's great and she's loosened up since her kids are getting older. i do feel bad for the older 2, as i think sometimes they get the short end of the stick [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:37 PM Flag
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the only thing i'd criticize her for is her obsessive cleanliness. i had to laugh at her getting mad a jon for not putting bibs on the 3.5 y.o. kids. my 2 y.o. doesn't wear a bib any more. but she claims it's b/c laundry is such a pain so what do i know? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:52 PM Flag
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you know, I can kinda understand her. I only have 3 kids, but I do laundry all the time. can't imagine what it's like w/ 10 ppl in the house. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:13 PM Flag
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if it was me, i'd give everyone two outfits. no hamper in the house. everything goes straight into the washing machine and then you wear it again the next day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:15 PM Flag
[ - ] Hillary is out as of Friday. she had to be told to get it done. Obama has indicated he is not interested in her as a running mate. Whew! 61 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:16 PM Flag
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I am very frustrated by the H supporters who are acting as if she was "robbed" or somehow "shoved out" of the race. People voted; she received fewer votes; end of story. It's unfortunate for people who supported her but being sore losers will not help. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:19 PM Flag
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OP: itta [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:24 PM Flag
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except that she was shoved out, she is a better candidate. And I think its the Obama campaign and supporters who lack class. They've been nothing but insulting and condescending, and it isn't going to help them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:34 PM Flag
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np how was she shoved out? I have been trying really hard to understand what her supporters are talking about. People voted. She lost. It was close but she lost. What's the issue? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:36 PM Flag
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OP: this won't end well. Her supporters are irrational [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:37 PM Flag
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hmmm. I wonder why we don't trust people who think we are irrational, bitches, evil? It's hard to get someone you have slapped down and called names to vote for you. Think about it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:39 PM Flag
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calm down dude! It was a political race. They both said nasty things about each other. That is the way the game is played. If you don't like it rough, stay out of politics! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:41 PM Flag
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more condescension. I will stay out, I won't vote for him. Happy, now? Because he could have had a great chance at my vote. And I'm not alone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:42 PM Flag
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you seem to have a persecution complex hon. I don't care who you vote for. He has a really good shot at winnng since the reps are not all that happy about McCain. I don't understand you. That chip in your shoulder must get heavy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:44 PM Flag
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I think it's so funny that you don't get it. But believe what you like. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:47 PM Flag
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I understand feeling disapointed that your candidate did not win. I evem understand feeling a little angry about what was said - even if you do know how politics work. What I am trying to understand is why some people think she was forced out somehow. People voted and she lost. Period. That's the breaks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:49 PM Flag
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you are wrong. They reporting has been against her every single time. Her case has never been fairly presented. If you tell me you can't see it, there's nothing I can do. I can give you a line to over 100 examples, and you still wouldn't get it. But I'm not the only one who can see this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:52 PM Flag
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it is up to the candidate to present her case. SHe had plenty of opportunity to do so - debates, TV ads etc. She could have bought pages in newspapers to say what she wanted. I will say I did not see many instances of bias against her, but I will let that stand unchallenged. I still think it is up to the candidate herself to get her message out. If she can't do that maybe she isn't the best person for the job as chief executive [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:58 PM Flag
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np: when did he have a great chance at your vote and exactly what did Obama do to lose it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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I don't like the way he has won this. It's been about personality and making her out to be evil, and I think it is wrong. It hasn't been about issues. He's really not the better candidate, her positions on all the issues I care about are just better. I don't trust him, he slips and slides around the issues, doesn't take a stand. I have never voted republican and never will. But I don't know if I can vote for him, and every insult against her, and myself as her supporter, makes me think I'm right in sitting this one out. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:49 PM Flag
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OR (very first response) - This is what is confusing to me. The only thing that I find irrational is the concept that Hillary was somehow cheated. She received fewer votes. I don't think anyone who voted for her is a bitch or irrational. But I do think you're delusional if you think she didn't lose the race. She just lost - someone had to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:43 PM Flag
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ITTA! I don't get it either and I think this responder is too worked up to articulate it clearly. Either that or she doesnt understand the nature of the game. Oh well. I think most of them will come around before the election. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:47 PM Flag
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OR: It drives me crazy to hear Hillary supporters state that they will vote for McCain. If Hillary's policies meant ANYTHING to you you would not be able to vote for McCain. It makes me think they were supporting her for the wrong reasons. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:50 PM Flag
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that is a really good point. McCain is very very different from Hillary. Obama is slightly dif. policy wise. It has to be some weird grudge that is making them feel this way and I dont get it either [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:51 PM Flag
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I was ex hill supporter who will probably vote for McCain. It's not Obama's policies that bother me. It's that he won't get any of it done. He has no idea how to work the channels and the lack of experience is scarier than McCain's policies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:55 PM Flag
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Well- I couldn't disagree more. And I hope you are willing to accept responsibility for voting for McCain when we end up at war with Iran. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:57 PM Flag
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That's not going to happen, but yes I would accept responsibility. You'd all benefit from my choice despite yourselves. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:00 PM Flag
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You, seriously, need to review McCain's ideas about our foreign policy. Just do that before you vote for him. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:03 PM Flag
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and his positions on healthcare or abortion. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:14 PM Flag
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Actually i think his healthcare plan is the most realistic. i don't care about his opinion on abortion because i don't think he will affect this, and I don't vote on this issue. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:19 PM Flag
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His foreign policy skills scare me a little because he seems to be very focus on military operations, but doesn't seem to be able to talk strategy...i.e. what sort of relationship should we have with various countries. I think he is a bit small minded on this...but I don't think he is George Bush and I think he will have better advisers. Obama's foreign policies scare me more. He mentioned today on the BBC that he thinks the Palestinians ought to have their own state. Now, since they will only have this if it is Israel, how is that going to happen. That reveals real inexperience and lack of command on the issues....at least McCain "gets: it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:21 PM Flag
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we'll see. I think he and his supporters have made a huge mistake in the way they've handled this. It's bizarre that you can't see it. You are brainwashed by the media, which has been horribly slanted. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:51 PM Flag
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I dont think so. I listen to NPR and Rush Limbaugh to try to get all sides. I'm a libertarian so don't really have a stake in the whole thing. What I see is someone who thought she had this in the bag and relied on her DH's charms. He faltered and she didn't make her case well enough. Add to that Obama's charisma and his newness and I think this was bound to happen. I don't think it's been handled that badly by either side [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:54 PM Flag
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You don't get it, because you don't want to. This is how he is going to lose. His campaign said yesterday that they didn't need or want the Clinton supporters. That is just brilliant. We know you hate her and think she is evil, and you've been nothing but snotty. If not you personally, then most of the people you hang with. That is coming through loud and clear. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:38 PM Flag
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ok now you just sound defensive for no reason. I am a libertarian and not likely to vote for either one (Bob Barr anyone?) I do follow politics pretty closely though and don't get this aspect. Sounds like you just want to see life as unfair and yourself as a wronged minority. Not a fun way to go through life IMHO but it's a free country. I really would like to know what you think though if you want to give it another shot [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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If he has to win by insulting Clinton, who was a good candidate, and calling her evil and a monster, through his surrogates, then he is not my candidate. I don't owe him my support, and he's done nothing to earn it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:43 PM Flag
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Who are his surrogates who called Clinton evil? Do you mean supporters? Clinton and her supporters also said bad things about Obama. It's politics. You are a sore loser - no more; no less. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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so keep rubbing it in, keep piling on the abuse and see if it makes people come together. I don't get this kind of unity. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:53 PM Flag
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republican mom here: we love this! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:59 PM Flag
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independant mom here ! We do too! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:02 PM Flag
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ok. First - that is politics. Go back and read some of the things other candidates said. Edwards said some crappy things about both of them and they about him. That is politics. Secondly - I still don't see how that shoved her out of anything. It was the game. She knew what she was getting into better than most people. I think she understands that it's not personal. You can't take the rhetoric this personally or you will drive yourself nuts. Now it will be all Obama calling McCain awful things and vice versa. It's politics, not a tea party [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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np: I am a Clinton supporter and totally accept that she isn't getting the nom. What irks me is this attitude from Obama fans - piss off lady, you lost. Insulting to say the least considering that she earned very very close to half of the popular vote. I watched Obama's speech last night and thought he was very gracious towards her. I would like to see a joint ticket. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:50 PM Flag
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I'd like to see the quote where the Obama campaign said they don't need or want Clinton supporters. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:45 PM Flag
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me too. I would be very very surprised if he said anything remotely like that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:50 PM Flag
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He has indicated that the chance she will be on the ticket is remote. That's what MSNBC is saying. Who knows. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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^^^ It's being reported by the Wall Street Journal. Bill Clinton's relucatance to share the donor list for his library is oneof the deal breakers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:24 PM Flag
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OP here I didn't say that - where are you getting that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:12 PM Flag
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I don't quite see this frankly. I am a woman, democrat, initially supported HRC and then moved on to Obama. I think the way she ran the campaign was unfortunately disappointing: hiring staff that was not expert at knowing all the electoral rules state by state, not having the grass roots efforts in place in a number of states, poor budget management, having Bill on the side being a loose canon, etc... made me question how she would manage the country (she didn't do a great job years ago at handling the healthcare issue, was hoping she would learn from that but not clear how much she did). If anything, she was the one who was quite condescending in the early days - she was going to get the nomination, it was a given, it was "her turn". Yes, I do have concerns about Obama's level of experience but found him to be a more promising candidate. Now we'll need to see if he can deliver. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:40 PM Flag
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feel the love [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:21 PM Flag
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he said that? I hadn't heard that part. Good. I think she would lose the race for him. Wonder who he will pick? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:27 PM Flag
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This post and the replies show just how much this board has changed. I miss the women on the NY Board. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:29 PM Flag
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then head on over to youbemom. c-ya! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:33 PM Flag
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not really. It was pretty polarized between the hillary supporters and the obama supporters. And once in a while we even had a McCain girl or Bush fan!! OMG! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:33 PM Flag
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Why? Can't we have an opinion too? So you were for Hillary. I can understand why. That does not mean "I miss the women on the NY Board" boo hoo. There are plenty of HRC supporters here. Does everyone need to be just like you? What a boring world if we were all the same. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:36 PM Flag
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ITTTTA! I love it that not everyone thinks the way I do! You and I could be friends! (even if we disagree!!) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:38 PM Flag
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exactly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:48 PM Flag
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I hope she isn't his v.p. Then he can lose all on his own. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:34 PM Flag
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I was a Hillary supporter and in the cold light of day, I think even IF she joins as his VP which is looking increasingly unlikely, I don't know if I can vote for him. I really don't. I just don't think he can get anything done. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:57 PM Flag
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well, he managed to build a strong enough organization and get enough support from party representatives to win the democratic ticket out of nowhere (he was not the spouse or the son of a former president) so he can get some things done. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:18 PM Flag
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touche. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:22 PM Flag
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I know I'm in the minority here but I think we had two great candidates, and they would make a great combined ticket. Obama led the popular vote by .4% at most depending on who you count. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:36 PM Flag
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they've been calling for her to quit, and despite that she still has half the party. It's been nothing but disrespect from him and his supporters. They do not care about our concerns, and have no respect for us, then they want us to be gracious? It's a little late for that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:41 PM Flag
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Please name one way that Hillary showed respect for him. If you can name ONE way in which she was respectful towards him, then I'll concede. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:48 PM Flag
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np: did you listen to her speech last night? she said many very respectful and flattering things about him (as he did about her in his speech). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:55 PM Flag
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The way she manipulated her female voters and preyed on their sensitive spots was over the top. Had Obama done tat with african americans & gotten them as fired up as she did there would have been hell to pay. She created this divisiveness. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:50 PM Flag
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I didn't feel manipulated at all. I felt like she understood and heard me as a woman. How is that divisive? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:59 PM Flag
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