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06.04.08, 17:16 PM General Topics
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Hillary is out as of Friday. she had to be told to get it done. Obama has indicated he is not interested in her as a running mate. Whew! [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.04.08, 05:16 PM Flag
 

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I am very frustrated by the H supporters who are acting as if she was "robbed" or somehow "shoved out" of the race. People voted; she received fewer votes; end of story. It's unfortunate for people who supported her but being sore losers will not help. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:19 PM Flag
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OP: itta [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:24 PM Flag
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except that she was shoved out, she is a better candidate. And I think its the Obama campaign and supporters who lack class. They've been nothing but insulting and condescending, and it isn't going to help them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:34 PM Flag
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np how was she shoved out? I have been trying really hard to understand what her supporters are talking about. People voted. She lost. It was close but she lost. What's the issue? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:36 PM Flag
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OP: this won't end well. Her supporters are irrational [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:37 PM Flag
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hmmm. I wonder why we don't trust people who think we are irrational, bitches, evil? It's hard to get someone you have slapped down and called names to vote for you. Think about it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:39 PM Flag
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calm down dude! It was a political race. They both said nasty things about each other. That is the way the game is played. If you don't like it rough, stay out of politics! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:41 PM Flag
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more condescension. I will stay out, I won't vote for him. Happy, now? Because he could have had a great chance at my vote. And I'm not alone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:42 PM Flag
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you seem to have a persecution complex hon. I don't care who you vote for. He has a really good shot at winnng since the reps are not all that happy about McCain. I don't understand you. That chip in your shoulder must get heavy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:44 PM Flag
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I think it's so funny that you don't get it. But believe what you like. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:47 PM Flag
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I understand feeling disapointed that your candidate did not win. I evem understand feeling a little angry about what was said - even if you do know how politics work. What I am trying to understand is why some people think she was forced out somehow. People voted and she lost. Period. That's the breaks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:49 PM Flag
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you are wrong. They reporting has been against her every single time. Her case has never been fairly presented. If you tell me you can't see it, there's nothing I can do. I can give you a line to over 100 examples, and you still wouldn't get it. But I'm not the only one who can see this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:52 PM Flag
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it is up to the candidate to present her case. SHe had plenty of opportunity to do so - debates, TV ads etc. She could have bought pages in newspapers to say what she wanted. I will say I did not see many instances of bias against her, but I will let that stand unchallenged. I still think it is up to the candidate herself to get her message out. If she can't do that maybe she isn't the best person for the job as chief executive [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:58 PM Flag
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np: when did he have a great chance at your vote and exactly what did Obama do to lose it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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I don't like the way he has won this. It's been about personality and making her out to be evil, and I think it is wrong. It hasn't been about issues. He's really not the better candidate, her positions on all the issues I care about are just better. I don't trust him, he slips and slides around the issues, doesn't take a stand. I have never voted republican and never will. But I don't know if I can vote for him, and every insult against her, and myself as her supporter, makes me think I'm right in sitting this one out. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:49 PM Flag
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OR (very first response) - This is what is confusing to me. The only thing that I find irrational is the concept that Hillary was somehow cheated. She received fewer votes. I don't think anyone who voted for her is a bitch or irrational. But I do think you're delusional if you think she didn't lose the race. She just lost - someone had to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:43 PM Flag
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ITTA! I don't get it either and I think this responder is too worked up to articulate it clearly. Either that or she doesnt understand the nature of the game. Oh well. I think most of them will come around before the election. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:47 PM Flag
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OR: It drives me crazy to hear Hillary supporters state that they will vote for McCain. If Hillary's policies meant ANYTHING to you you would not be able to vote for McCain. It makes me think they were supporting her for the wrong reasons. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:50 PM Flag
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that is a really good point. McCain is very very different from Hillary. Obama is slightly dif. policy wise. It has to be some weird grudge that is making them feel this way and I dont get it either [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:51 PM Flag
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I was ex hill supporter who will probably vote for McCain. It's not Obama's policies that bother me. It's that he won't get any of it done. He has no idea how to work the channels and the lack of experience is scarier than McCain's policies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:55 PM Flag
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Well- I couldn't disagree more. And I hope you are willing to accept responsibility for voting for McCain when we end up at war with Iran. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:57 PM Flag
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That's not going to happen, but yes I would accept responsibility. You'd all benefit from my choice despite yourselves. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:00 PM Flag
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You, seriously, need to review McCain's ideas about our foreign policy. Just do that before you vote for him. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:03 PM Flag
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and his positions on healthcare or abortion. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:14 PM Flag
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Actually i think his healthcare plan is the most realistic. i don't care about his opinion on abortion because i don't think he will affect this, and I don't vote on this issue. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:19 PM Flag
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His foreign policy skills scare me a little because he seems to be very focus on military operations, but doesn't seem to be able to talk strategy...i.e. what sort of relationship should we have with various countries. I think he is a bit small minded on this...but I don't think he is George Bush and I think he will have better advisers. Obama's foreign policies scare me more. He mentioned today on the BBC that he thinks the Palestinians ought to have their own state. Now, since they will only have this if it is Israel, how is that going to happen. That reveals real inexperience and lack of command on the issues....at least McCain "gets: it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:21 PM Flag
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we'll see. I think he and his supporters have made a huge mistake in the way they've handled this. It's bizarre that you can't see it. You are brainwashed by the media, which has been horribly slanted. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:51 PM Flag
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I dont think so. I listen to NPR and Rush Limbaugh to try to get all sides. I'm a libertarian so don't really have a stake in the whole thing. What I see is someone who thought she had this in the bag and relied on her DH's charms. He faltered and she didn't make her case well enough. Add to that Obama's charisma and his newness and I think this was bound to happen. I don't think it's been handled that badly by either side [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:54 PM Flag
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You don't get it, because you don't want to. This is how he is going to lose. His campaign said yesterday that they didn't need or want the Clinton supporters. That is just brilliant. We know you hate her and think she is evil, and you've been nothing but snotty. If not you personally, then most of the people you hang with. That is coming through loud and clear. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:38 PM Flag
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ok now you just sound defensive for no reason. I am a libertarian and not likely to vote for either one (Bob Barr anyone?) I do follow politics pretty closely though and don't get this aspect. Sounds like you just want to see life as unfair and yourself as a wronged minority. Not a fun way to go through life IMHO but it's a free country. I really would like to know what you think though if you want to give it another shot [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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If he has to win by insulting Clinton, who was a good candidate, and calling her evil and a monster, through his surrogates, then he is not my candidate. I don't owe him my support, and he's done nothing to earn it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:43 PM Flag
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Who are his surrogates who called Clinton evil? Do you mean supporters? Clinton and her supporters also said bad things about Obama. It's politics. You are a sore loser - no more; no less. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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so keep rubbing it in, keep piling on the abuse and see if it makes people come together. I don't get this kind of unity. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:53 PM Flag
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republican mom here: we love this! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:59 PM Flag
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independant mom here ! We do too! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:02 PM Flag
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ok. First - that is politics. Go back and read some of the things other candidates said. Edwards said some crappy things about both of them and they about him. That is politics. Secondly - I still don't see how that shoved her out of anything. It was the game. She knew what she was getting into better than most people. I think she understands that it's not personal. You can't take the rhetoric this personally or you will drive yourself nuts. Now it will be all Obama calling McCain awful things and vice versa. It's politics, not a tea party [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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np: I am a Clinton supporter and totally accept that she isn't getting the nom. What irks me is this attitude from Obama fans - piss off lady, you lost. Insulting to say the least considering that she earned very very close to half of the popular vote. I watched Obama's speech last night and thought he was very gracious towards her. I would like to see a joint ticket. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:50 PM Flag
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I'd like to see the quote where the Obama campaign said they don't need or want Clinton supporters. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:45 PM Flag
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me too. I would be very very surprised if he said anything remotely like that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:50 PM Flag
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He has indicated that the chance she will be on the ticket is remote. That's what MSNBC is saying. Who knows. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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^^^ It's being reported by the Wall Street Journal. Bill Clinton's relucatance to share the donor list for his library is oneof the deal breakers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:24 PM Flag
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OP here I didn't say that - where are you getting that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:12 PM Flag
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I don't quite see this frankly. I am a woman, democrat, initially supported HRC and then moved on to Obama. I think the way she ran the campaign was unfortunately disappointing: hiring staff that was not expert at knowing all the electoral rules state by state, not having the grass roots efforts in place in a number of states, poor budget management, having Bill on the side being a loose canon, etc... made me question how she would manage the country (she didn't do a great job years ago at handling the healthcare issue, was hoping she would learn from that but not clear how much she did). If anything, she was the one who was quite condescending in the early days - she was going to get the nomination, it was a given, it was "her turn". Yes, I do have concerns about Obama's level of experience but found him to be a more promising candidate. Now we'll need to see if he can deliver. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:40 PM Flag
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feel the love [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:21 PM Flag
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he said that? I hadn't heard that part. Good. I think she would lose the race for him. Wonder who he will pick? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:27 PM Flag
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This post and the replies show just how much this board has changed. I miss the women on the NY Board. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:29 PM Flag
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then head on over to youbemom. c-ya! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:33 PM Flag
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not really. It was pretty polarized between the hillary supporters and the obama supporters. And once in a while we even had a McCain girl or Bush fan!! OMG! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:33 PM Flag
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Why? Can't we have an opinion too? So you were for Hillary. I can understand why. That does not mean "I miss the women on the NY Board" boo hoo. There are plenty of HRC supporters here. Does everyone need to be just like you? What a boring world if we were all the same. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:36 PM Flag
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ITTTTA! I love it that not everyone thinks the way I do! You and I could be friends! (even if we disagree!!) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:38 PM Flag
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exactly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:48 PM Flag
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I hope she isn't his v.p. Then he can lose all on his own. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:34 PM Flag
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I was a Hillary supporter and in the cold light of day, I think even IF she joins as his VP which is looking increasingly unlikely, I don't know if I can vote for him. I really don't. I just don't think he can get anything done. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:57 PM Flag
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well, he managed to build a strong enough organization and get enough support from party representatives to win the democratic ticket out of nowhere (he was not the spouse or the son of a former president) so he can get some things done. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:18 PM Flag
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touche. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:22 PM Flag
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I know I'm in the minority here but I think we had two great candidates, and they would make a great combined ticket. Obama led the popular vote by .4% at most depending on who you count. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:36 PM Flag
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they've been calling for her to quit, and despite that she still has half the party. It's been nothing but disrespect from him and his supporters. They do not care about our concerns, and have no respect for us, then they want us to be gracious? It's a little late for that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:41 PM Flag
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Please name one way that Hillary showed respect for him. If you can name ONE way in which she was respectful towards him, then I'll concede. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:48 PM Flag
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np: did you listen to her speech last night? she said many very respectful and flattering things about him (as he did about her in his speech). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:55 PM Flag
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The way she manipulated her female voters and preyed on their sensitive spots was over the top. Had Obama done tat with african americans & gotten them as fired up as she did there would have been hell to pay. She created this divisiveness. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 05:50 PM Flag
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I didn't feel manipulated at all. I felt like she understood and heard me as a woman. How is that divisive? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 06:59 PM Flag
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