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Thank you so much for being a valued member of the UrbanBaby community. We wanted to inform you that we are shutting down the site on July 6th. We are grateful for your participation and support that has helped make UrbanBaby such an important resource to parents for many years.

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[ - ] My computer scan indicates a virus or something. What do I do now? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:01 AM Flag
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follow the directions given by the virus scanner... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:02 AM Flag
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op: It says, 'install updates'. I have done that but it still scans a critical. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:04 AM Flag
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does it say which virus it is finding? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:12 AM Flag
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THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW BEFORE IT INFECTS ALL THE COMPUTERS IN YOUR HOUSE!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:52 AM Flag
[ - ] I'm not a legacy at TT but I feel bad for them. The hostility towards them is really ugly. 16 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.22.08, 08:01 AM Flag
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People hate it when other have an advantage over them or their dcs. What is worse are the people who want more than anything for their dc to go to your TT legacy school but then deny it was brains that got you in in the first place. Oh and also then claim if your dc gets in it has everything to do with legacy and nothing to do with intelligence. So pathetic. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:03 AM Flag
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My dc is headed to TT and I guess dc will have this legacy status if dc stays in the city as an adult. It's sad that people attack TT educated people here so much. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:04 AM Flag
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Maybe your dc will be lucky in that case and move out of town. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:07 AM Flag
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what is pathertic is bring this up over and over again. of course people feel miffed if someone got an advantage. but they move on pretty quickly. hardly cause for numerous posts about this. its human nature and hardly noteworthy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:08 AM Flag
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Hostility by whom? Fellow parents at the school? Why? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:03 AM Flag
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sounds like you are a leg family and trying to discuss how paranoid you feel. don't worry, no one really cares all that much about you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:02 AM Flag
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Your post is clear evidence that they do. You are terribly sad. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:11 AM Flag
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actually, i don't. dc is at top public, and I could care less about private schools, tt or otherwise. nor do I care about petty jealousies and paranoia. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:13 AM Flag
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Right there, your situation, is evidence of the bitterness you harbor toward those who either can afford TT or were able to get in. Just human nature. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:15 AM Flag
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no. I have no desire to put my dcs there. you really are off my radar. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:19 AM Flag
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np-clearly not off the radar if you posted and continued to engage [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:20 AM Flag
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lol! the final word, eh? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:21 AM Flag
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Wow, you're a freak. (np) Poster doesn't sound like that at all. Sounds like you have very little going for you and need to believe all are jealous of at least some thing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 10:21 AM Flag
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I'm the 2nd OR (Hostility by whom?) and I don't understand why OP posted at all. To me, this OR's explanation sounds plausible. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 10:23 AM Flag
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You are sad to not believe anything anyone says. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 01:39 PM Flag
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What is a legacy? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 03:44 PM Flag
[ - ] The POINT of TT private school is education. This is to the OP who expected every TT graduate to run for President. The two women you met have far better educations, knowledge of and appreciation for art, literature, history and music than you could ever have. That is the point of sending your dc to a great school, not to be a I banker 10 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:00 AM Flag
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How can you say that without knowing OP, without knowing the women involved? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:06 AM Flag
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i strongly disagree that the point of a top tier private school is the education. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:06 AM Flag
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what is it for then? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:08 AM Flag
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can be for any number of things. the exclusivity. the environment. the control the parents have over the curriculum and administration. the prestige. education is far down on the list. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:10 AM Flag
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I'm sure those things figure in, but I think the most important thing is to get the best education you can afford for your kid [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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i think that if that was the top motivation people would be homeschooling. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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Or the best education that you can get for your kid period. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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ugh, let that thread die. this is what i hate about the new ub -- what should be in-the-moment disposable conversations end up lingering for days -- and most of the people you're replying to disappeared a long time ago [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:07 AM Flag
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And then you get a new OP who says just a stupid a comment as the original OP. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:08 AM Flag
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I completely disagree. I went to a TT school and I don't feel so much more educated than my peers now. That's bullshit -- and fantasy thinking to justify $30K a year. It's about prestige and connections and little more. Half the teachers I had were laughably bad and cheating was RAMPANT. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:24 AM Flag
[ - ] it really irks me when people overprice used merchandise. i'm not going to pay top dollar for your old stuff. 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:58 AM Flag
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that's a pet peeve of mine too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:00 AM Flag
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thanks. i figured i'd get flamed and told not to buy if i think the price is too high. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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sadly, people are still buying it seems [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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it drive me nuts when people on ebay bid the price up to what it would be new, all in the name of winning. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:06 AM Flag
[ - ] My son was invited to a 5th birthday. The host is registered at Toys R Us. What do you think of that? 15 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:51 AM Flag
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super tacky [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:52 AM Flag
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that is tacky. I've never heard of such a thing... Although I suppose it keeps from getting doubles on presents. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:54 AM Flag
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I hope you're making that up. I think it's insane when people register when they're pregnant. Registering for a 5 yo is beyond tacky. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:55 AM Flag
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insane for a baby registry? Why? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:57 AM Flag
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c'mon now - people want to buy new moms things that the new mom WANTS and NEEDS. and pregnant ladies/new moms don't have the time or energy to be running all over creation to return things. loosen up, lady! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:59 AM Flag
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I don't know. It just seems tacky to me. Like, forcing someone to buy you a changing table cover. Most people prefer to buy clothes or toys or something fun, in my experience. I guess if the person is young and doesn't have much money, but I kind-of feel like people should buy their own basic gear and let friends and family buy things that make them happy to give. I think the registry thing has run amok. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:02 AM Flag
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i LOVE registries (as a gift-giver). and i'm perfectly happy buying a changing-table cover -- i'd generally try to get a few like-themed items, so if what was left on the registry was changing table covers and the like, i'd make the gift an "essentials" theme, and be pleased that i was giving such a useful gift. it's not about the giver, you know [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:04 AM Flag
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It costs a lot to fully furnish a baby and for probably 90% of the population, doing so would be a significant burden. Anyway, no one is forcing anyone to buy anything. Most people want to buy what is helpful, but you really can feel free to get whatever you want. I'm curious, do you feel the same way about wedding registries? Most people all ready have what they need in the kitchen already, because so few get married right out of parents house anymore? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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i hear what you are saying. i never liked the idea of a registry...i always felt you should take what you get and be thankful. but i was surprised at how many people asked me for a registry...they don't want to spend their money on something that isn't wanted, they don't want to waste time shopping for me (they don't care about me that much!), it's easier for them, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:08 AM Flag
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plus, if you don't register, all you will get is clothes size 0-3 months and toys, how much of that do you really need? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:11 AM Flag
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who was invited to the party? the whole class? a few kids? relatives? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:56 AM Flag
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gross. they included this on the invites? how did you find out about the registry? (i ask because if it's just a registry they maintain for him all the time for like out of town relatives or something and you just happened to find out about it that might not be so bad -- but i doubt that's the case) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:56 AM Flag
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It was on the invite. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:12 AM Flag
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gross. the child shouldn't think about their party in terms of who is going to give him/her what. they should be grateful for everything they get, whether it's a cool toy or a fleece bunny suit. the parent should be will to put in the legwork to do the returns or pack stuff up for charity/local church sale. PUKE, puke, puke. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:57 AM Flag
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Saves me having to think so I don't mind [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:37 AM Flag
[ - ] Please..any tips on traveling alone with 16mo dd? I bought the travelmate, the contraption that attaches the carseat to my carry on luggage. Besides toys, snacks etc. what else should I be prepared for? I'm a little nervous about going through security, it's hard enough for me alone to take off everything to go through the machines. Any tips on that front? TIA. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:48 AM Flag
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have all your paperwork ready and at hand; a change of clothes in a ziploc bag; I've gone through JF a few times with my toddler and have found the security staff actually was helpful and friendly. There are ususally other families traveling as well, I've asked the person behind me or in front to grab something while I folded the stroller etc. usually people are helpful [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:52 AM Flag
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Bring way more diapers and food than you think you could possibly use. I've had my flight delayed before and it was a disaster because while I was prepared, I hadn't thought to OVER prepare. And just brace yourself that you'll spend a lot of time walking the aisles at that age and that people will give you dirty looks. Also, consider using an overnight diaper to cut down on diaper changes or maybe pullups so you can do the change standing instead of laying down. It's really hard and disgusting in the plane bathroom to do a change with DB lying on the toilet seat, trying to touch every revolting surface in the bathroom. Also, bring an extra change of clothes for yourself for when DB inevitably dumps something all over you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:59 AM Flag
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how long is the flight? mostly, just leave yourself plenty of time to get to the plane and take your time. wear slip on/off shoes. Do not bring too much, actually -- you don't want to be overloaded. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:49 AM Flag
[ - ] when writing, is it "She has a Master's Degree in Biology" or "She has a master's degree in biology" or "She has a Master's Degree in biology"? 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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in what context? a formal letter? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:02 AM Flag
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yes, something formal [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:29 AM Flag
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context doesn't matter [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:31 AM Flag
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why not answer the frigging question instead of criticizing other people's responses? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:32 AM Flag
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I did below...the only correct respnse [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:38 AM Flag
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i believe Master's degree in biology. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:03 AM Flag
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Master's Degree in Biology [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:32 AM Flag
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It's master's degree. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:23 AM Flag
[ - ] if your husband were your boyfriend, would you break up with him? or would you continue on? (break-ups are much easier than divorces) 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:42 AM Flag
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if he was my boyfriend from the time i met him until now, i'd not be waiting around for him to marry me. but if you meant if i met him recently, yes, i'd continue on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:44 AM Flag
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continue on. I love my DH [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:44 AM Flag
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continue on [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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continue on... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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would probably break up :( [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:59 AM Flag
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sorry to hear that! me too. i'm too much of a wimp to come out and say it first. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:00 AM Flag
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Love DH very much, but now thinking love is probably a stupid reason to marry! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:07 AM Flag
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i know what you mean! love doesn't mean you will be lifelone compatible companions. i adore DH but we are very different and we are both sacrificing parts of ourselves to make our relationship work. but no relationship is perfect, this i know! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 09:08 AM Flag
[ - ] anyone have a situation where you and a nanny parted on mutual terms? change of schedule for both of you. did you give a parting bonus? i posted last week and was told everythign from $50 to a weeks' pay. wondering how common it is to give something. 15 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:41 AM Flag
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I think that it depends on her situation and yours. How much notice did she have? Has she found a new job yet? If she hasn't had much time to find a new job, and I could afford it, I would give 1-2 weeks pay. If she's had 2 months, or starts a new job immediately I would probably five $100. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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^^^give not five... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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thanks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:52 AM Flag
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^^^she had a lot of notice although we ended up moving the last day up a week. hasn't found a new job yet. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:53 AM Flag
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then if you can at all swing it, I would give her that week's pay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:59 AM Flag
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i hate advice like that. b/c i can afford it but we can't really afford to throw money around like that, kwim? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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If you move the date up for a nanny's unemployment without much notice? I think it is fair to realize that you have a responsibility to your employees. But obviously, if it is going to be a real strain, then your nanny probably is aware of it and not expecting it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:08 AM Flag
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we were supposed to have her for her full schedule (which is only p/t) until july. then sporadically over the summer. we'll end the full schedule a week early and she has declined to work the sporadic hours over the summer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:16 AM Flag
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I don't know then, go with your gut. She probably declined sporadic hours because she need steady income. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:19 AM Flag
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i guess. thanks for the post. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:22 AM Flag
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How much notice did she have that you were ending a week early? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:20 AM Flag
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about ten days. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:22 AM Flag
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I would feel obligated to go with the previous agreement and pay her through the next week, but obviously, it is up to you. I don't think that you're going to be an evil person if you decide to do less. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:24 AM Flag
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thanks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:25 AM Flag
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1-2 weeks severance is not throwing money around if the nanny has been a good nanny. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:10 AM Flag
[ - ] What do you pay a full-time (Mon.-Fri) nanny in NYC for 3 kids - two are in school until 3 or 4pm? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 06.22.08, 07:39 AM Flag
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I pay ours $15 for two kids, but I'm home a lot of the time or my mother takes one of the kids, so she's rarely with both at the same time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:46 AM Flag
[ - ] Tell me about how you went into labor, if you went into spontaneous labor (ie, no induction, scheduled c-sections, etc.). 3 days late with #2 and starting to lose faith that this will actually happen. 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 06.22.08, 07:29 AM Flag
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my dd was 4 days late. at 40wk appt, i wasn't dilated or effaced at all. 3 days later i woke up with a contraction, and continued to have them all day. went to see my OB around 6pm, he said i was 1cm dilated and did an internal--which apparently was enough to send me into labor, because my water broke about an hour later. dd was born early the next morning. GL! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:32 AM Flag
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I was a few days early, woke up in the middle of the night with cramps. Called doc, she told me I was in early labor and to go back to bed and see her in her office the next morning. A couple of hours later the cramps were more severe and I was climbing the walls so we headed into the city and straight to the hospital. I went from early to active labor pretty quickly. They used Pitocin to get me to dilate. Hang in there and good luck - - try and get some rest. You won't get any once this party gets started! Is your hospital bag packed and ready to go? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:33 AM Flag
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Yes, this is #2, so I know what's in store. But it's hard to sleep/rest when you're 40+ weeks pregnant and you have a toddler to take care of . . . Bag is packed, ready, ready, ready to get going! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:41 AM Flag
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same here, without the pitocin. I woke up about 5am with cramps that increased in frequency and intensity. I went to the hospital around 9am, and delivered dd at 2pm [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:46 AM Flag
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sorry. three dc, never went into labor. don't even really know what a contraction feels like. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:38 AM Flag
[ - ] what do you think is a reasonable amount for a family to spend per month (excluding rent/mortgage). two parents, three children, oldest is in preschool. 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:29 AM Flag
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^^^just to clarify. for instance, if they were claiming they couldn't afford a certain thing and they said they were spending x amount per month and you'd feel that was not extravagant. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:30 AM Flag
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Depends on so many things ie if they run a car, eat out a lot, school fees. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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they live in teh suburbs so they have a car and use it a lot. let's say excluding mortgage and excluding childcare. how much would you say is a lot to spend and how much is a little. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:52 AM Flag
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np: your question is so relative. for instance, as business owners we pay for health insurance out of pocket. we also have a larger gas budget for commuting, etc [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:08 AM Flag
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so if i need an answer i should ask for specific expenses? how much do you think is reasonable to spend per month for groceries on a family with two adults and three dcs (todders and preschoolers). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:15 AM Flag
[ - ] I just popped back over here from ybm. Is it always this school-obsessed now? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:28 AM Flag
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apparently. I can't believe we were taking advice from those entitled white bitches [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:31 AM Flag
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just right now while the G&T letters are up for grabs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:43 AM Flag
[ - ] We just received our school packet from dd's preschool. I'm a little shocked by the number of school holidays. Why is it necessary to close down for 2-3 days around most holidays (2 days for Columbus Day, 3 days for Thanksgiving, etc)? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.22.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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Par for the course. We attended a Jewish preschool, so add to the usual list of holidays all of the Jewish holidays. You get used to it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:28 AM Flag
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op: oh, ours closes for the jewish holidays too! though just the big ones, i guess. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:29 AM Flag
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i work in a school and figured out that i actually work fewer than nine months a year once you add up all the holidays. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:31 AM Flag
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people say the more you play, the less they are in school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 10:05 AM Flag
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I think you mean pay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 05:11 PM Flag
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This is one of the reasons [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 05:20 PM Flag
[ - ] stupid transition to one nap. argh. 0 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:27 AM Flag
[ - ] where can I buy crocs in the city? real ones. 10 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:19 AM Flag
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You realize buying crocs goes to support right wing political agenda? Owner is huge Bush supporter, gives a lot of his $ to neo-con Republicans. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:25 AM Flag
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really? That's crazy. I won't join Curves for the same reason, it's owned by a scary guy who uses his money to fund abstinence only sex-ed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:37 AM Flag
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/21/AR2007062102403.html [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:03 AM Flag
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Thanks! I was trying to do a google search to find more information, and couldn't find any. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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Wow... I never knew that !! Thank you for that info and I will cease and desist today... really... I don't think most people know that ! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:32 AM Flag
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i'm surprised that bothers you so much. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:34 AM Flag
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I want my money - when I have the choice - to go to companies whose philosophy I agree with. Is that odd ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:37 AM Flag
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not odd, i'm just surprised that something like this would bother you enough to not purchase the item. it's not a sweat shop, it's not child labor, it's not a totalitarian government. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:38 AM Flag
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Super Runner's Store, Paragon, Modell's [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:37 AM Flag
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The Crocs store on the UWS [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:14 AM Flag
[ - ] do you know what I like about the new UB? I haven't seen any weight polls, engagement ring polls, or endless posts about waxing. I also spend less time here, but still, it's good. Where did those women go? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:15 AM Flag
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if you post the link, you get banned. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:21 AM Flag
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really?? its soo sad now that 1/2 the people are here and 1/2 are there, i wish we could all pick one site [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:22 AM Flag
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the g&t moms here scared off the rest of the sane posters. fwiw I liked this site better two weeks ago, but I can't take it over here anymore. I don't even know why I popped by... habit I guess. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:25 AM Flag
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that's true. also much fewer sex posts. better politics posts and fewer religion hating posts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:24 AM Flag
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ITA. I wish there was more traffic. the new format has totally curbed my UB habit. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:53 AM Flag
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I find it very slow moving and seems like nobody's posting about actual parenting issues anymore. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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ita--i rarely come here anymore and, when i do, it seems like the only parenting threads are days or weeks old and the same two people are still posting to them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:28 AM Flag
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yes, and those two people both work for cnet/ub/whoever bought them, and are trying to get things moving [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 07:31 AM Flag
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so, you get banned if you mention it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:07 AM Flag
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