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[ - ] anyone survive or know anyone who's marriage survived an affair? If so, how is the marriage now? 20 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:16 PM Flag
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My parents did, and they've been married 50+ years (it's been about 20 years since the affair). It was a wake-up call for both of them and I think their relationship came out of it a lot stronger. On the flip side, another relative's marriage fell apart after his affair. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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Did he want to leave the other woman? Did he want to make it work with his wife? .....the marriage that didn't survive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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He was very done--tried counseling but was already emotionally gone. I think they made some mistakes after their kids came along--focused totally on the kids, didn't maintain/cultivate their own relationship--and that started it all. The cheating was a one-off. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:19 PM Flag
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he was already emotionally gone, you mean? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:20 PM Flag
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Yes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:37 PM Flag
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Glad your parents worked it out. Who had the affair..dad or mom? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:18 PM Flag
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My dad--but my mom was also responsible for the problems they were having. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:20 PM Flag
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mine has, so far...but it aint easy... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:18 PM Flag
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Do you mind me asking the details? How long ago was affair? Are you guys in therapy? Did you find out after or during affair? etc.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:19 PM Flag
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oh, it is such a sick story! he went overseas to work, while i was pregnant, and met someone, had an affair and i found out the day before i went into labour (had to have sex to induce as well!) he was apologetic but not necessarily feeling that bad about it. kinda of a 'things happen' sort of attitude. i had no choice, as i had shut down my life in order to move overseas, and felt extremely lost. but now, things are good, he regrets it and feels horrible for how it made me feel, and scared at what he could have lost. as the 'victim', the most important thing to remember is that it isnt you, has nothing to do with you, the problem lays with them, and if you believe they can change, they can... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:24 PM Flag
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you lost me at had to have sex to induce..." [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:29 PM Flag
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Do you ever have good days with your husband? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:19 PM Flag
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yep, everyday, unless there is a reminder... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:25 PM Flag
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I tried to stay with a boyfriend that cheated on me, I ended up cheating a year later (the only time I've ever cheated). After that, I always told myself that there was no way I would stay because it is almost impossible to actually forgive and forget. I know this isn't a marriage, but my 2 cents. Good luck! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:21 PM Flag
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think it would have been different if you had 2 kids with the guy? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:22 PM Flag
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having kids changes everything... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:25 PM Flag
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No, I really don't (for me). I just couldn't get it out of my mind and eventually started behaving in self-destructive ways around single guys. I am also a very strong person, and it made me completely insecure. I really hated what I became inside. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:26 PM Flag
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please tell me you are not the woman whose DH has been having an affair with the 20 year old nanny. Please. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:25 PM Flag
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no. don't know about that one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:31 PM Flag
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Yes, it's pretty good most days [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:32 PM Flag
[ - ] Recently moved with 1 yr db. He used to be in the same room with us and now he refuses to go down to sleep in his own bed. Tell me that this is normal. 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:14 PM Flag
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wait, he's always slept in the room with you, now you've moved and he's in his own room and you're asking if it's NORMAL that he won't go to sleep? Are you mental? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:28 PM Flag
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yes it's normal. It's not normal how our society expects kids to be fine sleeping alone when throughout the course of history this has never been the case. That's why it takes so much effort to train them to do it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:31 PM Flag
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exactly. WE don't even sleep alone, yet we expect our brand new babies to do it. Crazy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:55 PM Flag
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I hate sleeping alone. Whenever DH goes on a trip, I get awful sleep. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:58 PM Flag
[ - ] My dh's mother called me today - my dh being my soon-to-be-ex-dh. It was so awkward and I felt so uncomfortable because I do not know how much she has been told, she wanted to check in and see how dc were and if she could stop by and visit at some point this week. I think she has good intentions and I am very happy she wants to see the kids, but I also do not know what she knows about our separation and divorce. Should I call dh and let him know what is going on? See what he told her? It is such an odd situation. 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 07.06.08, 04:14 PM Flag
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You don't need his permission to tell her what you want. She's your dc's grandmother and you will have your own relationship with her. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:16 PM Flag
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it's just that, dh cheated on me and is currently in a relationship now with the girl he cheated with and even though i think he is scum these days, i don't want to go turning his mother against him or anything [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:39 PM Flag
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honestly, try to avoid the subject. If she wants to see db- fine. If she asks- say you are having problems and that you are not the best person to talk to, BUT you hope she will maintain a great relationship with db [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:54 PM Flag
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i definitely want to keep things the same betwen my in-laws, myself and my children - it is just tough; i also would really like for my brothers-in-law and sister-in-law to maintain such a relationship, this has been a nightmare month [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:59 PM Flag
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You can decide with your dh what to tell his family. Then he owes it to you to tell them, and then everyone is all set and you don't ever have to talk about it with them because they'll know what the deal is - unless you want to tell them things. This is how we ended up handling it and i'm still on v good terms with my inlaws. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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Yes you should ask your dh to clear it up - you need to be on the same page. i am currently going through exactly the same situation, and it was completely messed up when everyone in his family knew different things at different times - i'm not on speaking terms with my brother-in-law now because of it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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haha i would tell her every last detail just out of spite [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:40 PM Flag
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it is a good sign that they are reaching out to you [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:03 PM Flag
[ - ] Best way to clean hardwood floors? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:13 PM Flag
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Warm water, a little dish soap, and a good helping of white vinegar. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:14 PM Flag
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Bona cleaning solution. For serious muck, Windex. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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mix murphy's oil and water [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:18 PM Flag
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cleaning lady told me that murphys oil would make my oak wood floor brittle, she says to use swiffer. What do you think of this? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:19 PM Flag
[ - ] Was just reading something about RFK and it said he had 11 DCs! Why on earth? His brother only had 2, so can't be a Catholic thing. 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 07.06.08, 03:59 PM Flag
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it could still be a "catholic" thing. Did you know that JFK had a baby that died very very young? I think thet may also have had some miscarriages. Besides, why do you care? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:01 PM Flag
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Just curious. 11 is a lot (btw, I am Catholic) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:03 PM Flag
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11 is a lot but didn't used to be quite so odd. My SIL was one of 10 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:04 PM Flag
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np: The story goes that Ethel really wanted to have more children than Rose Kennedy (her MIL) and Bobby was happy to have as many as they could. They had one every couple of years. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:03 PM Flag
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I think that he was a more devout catholic than JFK, but I could be wrong. Jackie also had a child that died shortly after birth, so that may have contributed to the decision. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:02 PM Flag
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Do you think his devout catholicism started before or after he schtuped marilyn monroe after his brother did? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:45 PM Flag
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honestly, at the time, I don't think that devout catholic meant no cheating on your wife, especially in their circle. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:00 PM Flag
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How about conspiring with the mafia to win the election, kill castro, and drug taking? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:04 PM Flag
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They wanted more children, Jackie lost one pregnancy and her last ds died a month before JFK was shot. They would have had more kids most likely otherwise. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:02 PM Flag
[ - ] Has PS 6 or PS 290 ever had a waitlist? Thinking of moving into the area, but worried about that recent NYT article about public school waitlists...Thanks everyone. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 07.06.08, 03:56 PM Flag
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you already posted this!!! all this crap about schools is getting really out of control. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:58 PM Flag
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I never did! if you have a link for me, I'd appreciate it though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:34 PM Flag
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I don't think so. I would phone the school or the PTA contact (if there is such a thing). We are in the 198 zone and I am putting off moving for three years when we need K b/c I think things can change so much between now and then. BTW actual people I know with kids at 6 and 290 are happy. The 290 parent said she has liked the kids teachers VERy much even if it took her a while to get over the building/facilities. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 07:39 AM Flag
[ - ] Does anyone know how much a person can make selling life and health insurance out of the home? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 07.06.08, 03:56 PM Flag
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It really depends on whether you're a natural salesperson or not. Most of those jobs are basically scams to find the 5% of the population that are amazing at selling. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:58 PM Flag
[ - ] My friend (teacher at a private school) said my dc's school (another private) is academically rigorous. I'm not sure what she means by that. Does it mean the school is a pressure cooker? Or academically accelerated/just good? 12 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.06.08, 03:55 PM Flag
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IMO, there's no such thing as academically accelerated without pressure. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:56 PM Flag
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I guess I'm naive but i don't understand this. if a school admits kids who are able to take the accelerated curriculum, why should there be pressure? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:59 PM Flag
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Because it will still be about who does the best on the tests, who gets the highest grades, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:03 PM Flag
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not true, brearley is accelerated and not the pressure cooker claim it is [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:46 PM Flag
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in HS it sure is, nobody wants to be in the bottom half of the class [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:48 PM Flag
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NP: Same with Hunter. Elementary school is not a pressure cooker but if a school is "academically rigorous" in high school, then it almost certainly is highly competitive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:56 PM Flag
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I made it through and didn't jump through a window. Yes, it was very difficult but the pressure depended on the dc. My dc is v. much like me in this respect and her first HS year was more than manageable [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:05 PM Flag
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A lot of it depends on your dc's personality, obviously. My brother was much more laid back about this stuff than I was growing up, and his life was way easier. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:09 PM Flag
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I don't know the head of school was pretty up-front that it is a pressure cooker by high school, but that she and faculty are working on showing girls that life must be balanced. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:56 PM Flag
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They have been working on that for over 100 yrs, no luck yet! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:13 PM Flag
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As a teacher in a privates school myself, I would say it means it is a good school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:55 PM Flag
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^^^^ private [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:56 PM Flag
[ - ] OP: i was asking about g&t and everything else - but don't know why i'm bothering really 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 07.06.08, 03:50 PM Flag
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STOP!!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:51 PM Flag
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no shit... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:55 PM Flag
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responders relax - taking the board much too seriously [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:14 PM Flag
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it is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boring.................................... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:27 PM Flag
[ - ] Moms who had kids take the OLSAT test: when did you hear about 1. your child's test score and 2. what schools, if any, they got in? We want to know when to move (because zoned public is our other option). Many thanks in advance! 16 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 07.06.08, 03:42 PM Flag
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got scores back march i think. found out what school he got into mid june. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:42 PM Flag
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but hopefully the doe will have their act together more next year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:43 PM Flag
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not sure what you mean. It was a straight forward process. They adhered pretty much to the time line they set for themselves if you can live with a two week delay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:48 PM Flag
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thank you all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:49 PM Flag
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You didn't notice that the DOE struggled with the process this year? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:55 PM Flag
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The G&T process? No. They fine tuned a few things here and there but the testing was done very well. The mailings went out just a little late. The assignments didn't really show any surprised (with the exception that there were so many 99 kids). All in all, I don't think the DOE struggled much with G&T. They messed up the preK admission process, I give you that. But they were quick at finding a solution. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:01 PM Flag
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NP: For starters, first they claimed that the citywide placements would be done by score. Then they changed their story and did it by lottery (or so they claim; we'll never know). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:07 PM Flag
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argh! They have been doing it by score all the way through. They used the score you got in the mail: a percentile. How they differentiate within each percentile was never announced publicly. And THAT does not matter at all!!! This is not a competition. It's not like "Oh, I worked so hard with my kid so he would get the highest possible scores and now all the work goes down the drain." [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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Oh, tell then how happy you are! They think they did a bad job and are evaluating the system. Some people hold them to higher standards than you. You are probably very laid back and never would rock the boat. I'm quite the advocate for my child and even my neighbors child. I believe we could make great changes! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:09 PM Flag
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yes. then talk to the politicians and make yourself heard. The DOE is a public institution and that comes with all kinds of opportunities and problems. This was the first time I had to deal with the DOE and so far I have no reason to rock a boat. There was no foul-doing or abuse or whatever. Does the process need to be refined? Of course, there is always room for improvement. I am saying, though, that the DOE this year was on the right track when it comes to the G&T admission process. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:19 PM Flag
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Well they didn't think so. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:12 PM Flag
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well, they should never admit anything since the crazies will take that as an opportunity to scream their entitlement to anyone who will listen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:56 PM Flag
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ha! just a couple of weeks ago! GL! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:43 PM Flag
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wow, really? I guess we will have to move before we know. Chances being as slim as they are, we'll have to move around registration time anyway. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:49 PM Flag
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We got our placement letter on Father's Day, June 15. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:04 PM Flag
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^^^ We got our score on April 24 (not March). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:05 PM Flag
[ - ] mat leave is ending - going back to work tomorrow - heartbroken. 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:41 PM Flag
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I'm so sorry. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:45 PM Flag
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worst part of it - is that we've been trying to get him to take a bottle but just wont do it - tomorrow is going to be a really hard day for the little guy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:50 PM Flag
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NP: He will eventually take a bottle--honest. Have you tried all different kinds? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:51 PM Flag
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yes, he will. ds spent two harrowing days refusing to eat until I got home but the third day he decided that the bottle (with breast milk) really wasn't so bad. Went back and forth no prob after that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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that's got to be stressful for you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:52 PM Flag
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I've bought every bottle I could find - the only standard one is AVENt b/c I couldn't find the PBA free ones. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:55 PM Flag
[ - ] is st. anne's competitive once you are in? is there a crazy college admission process with lots of pressure put on the kids to go to top schools? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.06.08, 03:40 PM Flag
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I think the parents who send dc's to SA are the type to apply pressure. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:56 PM Flag
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I don't think they are so focused on HYP since it is much more artsy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:04 PM Flag
[ - ] Guess what, for the truly gifted and smart dcs there is no such thing as a 'bad test day'. Some of your average dcs scored above what their intelligence is because it was a good day. 24 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 07.06.08, 03:33 PM Flag
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Dc got 99 on SB and ERB but I know there are smarter kids who did not get high scores. There are kids who started reading at 1.5yo and figured out principles of multiplications on their own while looking at bathroom mats with dots or whatever but they didn't do well on the test. But I do know most gripes on UB is simple whining. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:43 PM Flag
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I read at 1.5 and did complex math at 4 and scored 99x3 but I am not gifted by a long shot [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:47 PM Flag
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I beg to differ. Giftedness is a term people agreed to use for people with intellectual capacity that is higher than most. top 1% is not a genius but certainly gifted. It's just a technical term. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:49 PM Flag
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My IQ is (was tested at) 150. Compared to national average this is considered highly intelligence but on the cusp (the far cusp) of gifted. It seems clear to me that intelligence is genetic, my two siblings and both parents are also in that range and all scored 99x3 but again we are not gifted. I don't think many people realize what gifted truly is, it isn't scoring high on an ERB test [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:19 PM Flag
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IQ of 150 is by definition gifted. It's, again, a term that scholars in the field agreed to use. NOT genius, again, just gifted. I don't know why you have an issue with this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:30 PM Flag
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And one with that IQ can be a member of MENSA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:34 PM Flag
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MENSA is silliness. Don't have an issue just pointing out how rare a genius is to these women who all think a 99 means their dc is a genius and those who did not score 99 are not. It is all just silly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:39 PM Flag
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np. Giftedness and genius are NOT the same thing, idiot. Get that through your skull. I, for one, have no trouble believing you're not gifted. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 11:47 PM Flag
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np, and IQ of 150 is gifted. No matter what you think. It's just a technical term. You are gifted. So, nah nah, nah nah nah! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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np. You know what? You're absolutely right. You're not very bright, let alone gifted. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 08:02 PM Flag
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I posted below to the obnoxious OP whining about the superior 99s and the inferior 99s. I said my 99 was, as far as I can tell, not gifted, and pretty normal. BUT she did test 99 on ERB and SB also. FWIW. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:46 PM Flag
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My dc is not "superior" 99, but I know there are people who are 4 or 5 standard deviations above the norm. 99.999th percentile people are very different from 99.1th percentile people when tested accurately. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:51 PM Flag
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Why do you care though? I only had dd tested because of the process. I have no interest in how gifted or how accurate or who's smarter than who. It was simply an application process, nothing else. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:57 PM Flag
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Well, I was relieved that dc wasn't the high end 99 kid because those kids' education needs are very different and is much harder to find an appropriate school (many homeschool). I got dc tested for school admission but it was also to learn something about dc also. To see if there was any learning issue (LD or other)... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:01 PM Flag
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You can't really be sure exactly what his needs are and how smart he is from an olsat given by the a tester engaged in that manner. He could still be 99.99! And really, the IQ test is very faulty. It's almost a random test of intelligence. If you look at subtests you can tell more than one big number anyway. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:12 PM Flag
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meant sb not olsat [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:13 PM Flag
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Well, it can tell a lot of info. Probably more accurate if tested at an older age but still, 99 tells me dc is not dumb at least (though many smart kids test lower). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:29 PM Flag
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Yes it tell you that, but he could be even smarter. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:13 PM Flag
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ITD. We were lucky, 98 SB, 99 ERB, 95 OLSAT, but I know of gifted DCs who refused to cooperate and got scores in the 60s. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:00 PM Flag
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If there are good days, then there are bad days. But for everyone around you, it's always a bad day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:13 PM Flag
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LOL! I am Op that was funny! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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ITA!!! My son is smart, but I would never have guessed he'd score 99 -- which he did, and we're going to NEST. We got SO lucky because on any other day he may have scored much much lower. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:23 PM Flag
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Not true at all, some of the mostly highly gifted do the worse on these dog and pony shows [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 04:25 PM Flag
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And why are you so worried about my kid? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 05:36 PM Flag
[ - ] Any recent news on people giving up private spots for G&T etc? 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 07.06.08, 03:27 PM Flag
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we did. heard they filled the spot already though, so would rather not say which school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:34 PM Flag
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yeah otherwise we might hunt you down and kill you [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:35 PM Flag
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yep. ps 166 g&t. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:37 PM Flag
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oops. thought you asked about ppl giving up g&t spots. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:38 PM Flag
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where is dc going [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:48 PM Flag
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OP: I was asking about g&t and everything else - but don't know why i'm bothering really - i guess getting wl at 8 schools still smarts [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:52 PM Flag
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all the privates overaccept, so I don't think that'll help WL dc's. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:39 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone hear any news lately about people giving up private spots for g&t etc? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:25 PM Flag
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enough................................................................................................ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 03:28 PM Flag
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