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[ - ] Just had my 2nd nanny interview...can be an emotioanl and confusing process. I love this woman--she has impeccable references and 20 years of experience (and 15 grandchildren of her own), she is looking for $15 an hour. I know that there are nannies that require more and I have friends who pay less. What is the going rate for a nanny with this much experience? Should I continue and look for someone this great for less? Any shared experiences or advice would be helpful... 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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you can get an equally good one for $12. keep looking [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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Give her the $15 that she is asking for, that is pretty much the going rate. Why skimp on cost if she's really that experienced and great. You get what you pay for. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:31 PM Flag
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ITA. The people I know who pay $12/hr for a nanny don't have great nannies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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we pay $15/hr for our great FT nanny, and we're not even in NYC. To me it has been totally worth it as I am 100% comfortable with how db is been cared for while I'm at work. But you ahve to make the call for yourself [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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^^and also i think it depends upon db's age. An older dc can tell you if something isn't working out with the nanny. With the younger ones, you have to go with your gut [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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If you can afford $15 for a great nanny it is totally worth it. How many kids? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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One baby boy--will be 11 months when she starts. Does the hourly rate change with # of children, I've heard mixed things on this... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:35 PM Flag
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NP: Yes. I paid $15/hr for 1 DC and then $18/hr when #2 arrived. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:37 PM Flag
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I've paid both $12 and $15. I'm much happier with the $15 nanny, plus she does light housework. If you can work that into the agreement, helps to justify the cost. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:51 PM Flag
[ - ] I think UB is a great thing! 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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me too! I even like the new UB~ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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Rah rah rah. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
[ - ] A mother at my dc's school made her child anorexic by witholding solids from her dc as a baby so dc never learned to eat properly... now her child is in school and only drinks pediasure. Completely healthy child, as well. I just find it so strange... 27 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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how can it be that you "miss the boat" on figuring out how to eat solids and can never learn it later? That doesn't make sense. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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I don't know, but this child does not know how to eat solids - will gag, throw them up, etc [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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that is sick! total abuse [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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I don't get it. Is she anorexic or healthy? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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dc is anorexic - refuses to eat any solid foods and is basically kept going by liquids and mashed up foods. But has no medical issue that would prevent from eating normally - it is all mental [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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the mother admits this? to what age did she deny her solids? i think anorexia is a mental disordere, not a feeding disorder. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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It is a mental disorder that has been put upon the child by not giving solids after dc first 'rejected" them at 7-10 mos. They didn't keep trying and now dc is over age 3 and cannot eat solid food. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:31 PM Flag
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Although there is a condition 'infantile anorexia' it is distinct from anorexia nervosa and is not a mental condition [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:36 PM Flag
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this is what the child has, I believe [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:40 PM Flag
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no what you are describing is not infantile anorexia. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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wow you are a bitch. the child is not anorexic nor does the child suffer from anorexia nervosa. anorexia is defined as 'not eating'. this child *is* eating, just not what you think she should eat. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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no, this child does not eat, they drink, but they do not eat. I am not a bitch, I am concerned for this child's welfare. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:36 PM Flag
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the child is drinking a nutritionally complete food. the child is not anorexic. You have no idea of the circumstances around the child's feeding disorder. There are many conditions which cause a child or adult to be unable to eat solid foods. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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the mother has explained the situation regarding their not giving the child food, and claim that the only thing they will now consume is pediasure, which is a substitute for nutritionally complete foods. The child is underweight but other than the parent's forced-unfeeding is healthy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:40 PM Flag
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sorry, this scenario sounds fake [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:42 PM Flag
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NP - I assure you it is not. I know the people she is talking about. Truly a sick, sad situation for that poor DC. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:43 PM Flag
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op - dc A? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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Yes. Crazy woman, poor kid [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:46 PM Flag
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if it is true, there are places to go to get help for the child, for example St. Joseph Hospital's feeding clinic in Paterson, NJ. it is world renowned for enabling children who can't eat at all (think tube fed because of prematurity, etc) to eat liquids and then solids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:48 PM Flag
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I know this has been suggested to the parents (there's another clinic at John's Hopkins in Baltimore) but they have no desire to change anything. The mother also seems to have eating issues from what i've seen on social occasions, so I think it is a control thing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:50 PM Flag
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MYOB. Maybe the child has a sensory disorder and can't eat solids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:39 PM Flag
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ITA, could also be physical problem. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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anorexia is a mental disease that is about controlling one's own body. people who suffer from it don't eat because they are under the illusion that they are fat and want to be thinner. not saying that this doesn't sound like a horrible situation, just that the child probably doesn't suffer from anorexia. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:57 PM Flag
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infantile anorexia can be projected from the parents to the child, along the lines of Munchausen by proxy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:57 PM Flag
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now you are really stepping over the line, accusing another woman of that with no information except gossip. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:02 PM Flag
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it doesn't sound like gossip to me, if the info is coming from the mother to op (assuming op wrote above post) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:03 PM Flag
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If you really want to do something, call 311 and report the child. Maybe there is a real issue and parents are reluctant to get help. Otherwise, stop gossiping--you're making it worse for the child. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:59 PM Flag
[ - ] I was thinking that my family would be better off if we had someone from Ohio living with us for a few weeks. How do I go about obtaining some from Ohio for a few weeks to educate my family in Ohio culture and values? 25 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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are you in Manhattan? I'm from Georgia and love NYC. Will a southern girl work? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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I am in Manhattan. I heard Ohio people bring a good grounded perspective and have a slow way of life which allows them to appreciate things and I hear they enjoy sharing their culture and values [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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sounds like the south. I'm on the next plane! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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you're crazy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:37 PM Flag
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1-800-Ohio [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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are we thinking Rust Belt values? Or swing state values? Because Pennsylvania's a lot closer, really it would be easier to get someone from there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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I hear Ohio values are a lot different and allow for people to grow. Plus I hear Ohio residents enjoy teaching outsiders about their lives. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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I'll rent you my DH, no funny business though [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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As long as he promises to stay in the guest room and not walk around in his underwear or naked, that's fine. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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Sorry, he will take his pants off at the door. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:32 PM Flag
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boxers or briefs? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:33 PM Flag
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your homeless person past was funnier--I remember that! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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OP: didn't do that...what was it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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someone said they wanted to invite a homeless person to visit family, have dinner, so that dc could learn about homeless people firsthand [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:37 PM Flag
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My DH is from Ohio, but he is the most cultured person I know. Cultured in the NY sense. Your post is so offensive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:35 PM Flag
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How is it offensive? And anyway he is not in Ohio now and I want to talk to a current Ohio person and have them share their life with us. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:37 PM Flag
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you're just clueless. People in Ohio are as diverse as people anywhere else in the world. if you want "good values" send your kids to live with the Amish for a few weeks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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We've been trying to find an Amish imersion camp for them, do you know of one? Barriing that maybe an exchange program where they can live with an Ohio family and the Ohio kids can live with us. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:40 PM Flag
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lol - yours is worse! "cultured in the ny sense" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:39 PM Flag
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or - I was obviously being sarcastic in referring to the op's post. My husband is a wonderful person who was raised by very cosmopolitan parents in Ohio, and he has many interests that would be considered "upper class NY" by people such as the OP [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:41 PM Flag
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The OP is nothing but a goofball trying to get a rise out of folks like you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:44 PM Flag
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I understand that, which is why I responded with a sarcastic reply [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:44 PM Flag
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Fianlly! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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This is a ridiculous post. I can't belive you are real. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:52 PM Flag
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she's not [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:52 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone have an under 1 year old in daycare? 16 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:26 PM Flag
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I did. She's 2 now [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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No, but I would have if I could have found one with openings. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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my neice was in daycare under 1. it was good for her [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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"good for her"? For a baby? I know that people have no choice sometimes but I can't understand thinking a baby needs this! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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NP: My 13 mo has a nanny (couldn't find a daycare), but she clearly benefits from spending time with other kids--and has since she was mobile (around 5-6 mo). I can understand this sentiment completely. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:32 PM Flag
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contrary to popular belief daycare can be a very positive experience. you have a whole team of people caring for your child every moment they are there. there is nobody holding you while talking on the cell phone or ub'ing, no one parks you in front of the t.v. so they can have some downtime, their every need is attended to and never ignored. daycare is a great alternative to having an nanny for those of us who actually work for a living. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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Good for her because until 10mo when she went to daycare her parents (my SIL) never exposed her to other kids. Once she became socialized she has become much more active and engaged in everything. She benefits from being with the other kids who were mostly older than her. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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you obviously have too much time on your hands sanctimommy! where are your children right this moment? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:35 PM Flag
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i did - she's now 18 months [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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my dd started at 5 months and has been in daycare since then, she's now 2.5. do you have specific questions? i agonzied about this, but it's really been great, she's been happy, the daycares have been great. you just need to feel comfortable with where you send her but ther eare many great ones [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:42 PM Flag
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interesting, on the old UB i could barely ever find anyone who had kids in daycare, much less anyone who would say anything positive about it. now so many. i'm happy to see that, as someone who has had my dc in daycare from the start [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:43 PM Flag
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I did, she's now two. Because I was going to be working and I have a personal preference for daycare over a nanny it made sense to just start off with daycare for continuity. She races in to daycare and there was never an adjustment period. As a baby, they are around lots of toys and children's music and books and other little kids. They get to do kids stuff all day long. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:25 PM Flag
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ITA about your conclusions about daycare. Maybe when db is really really young, a consistent one-on-one caregiver is better, but once they start noticing the world and being able to hold toys etc I think a quality daycare is better than the best nanny. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:34 PM Flag
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Started dd at 10 months. Earlier than we had planned but that's when the opening came up and it was take it or leave it. She's 19 mo now and doing great. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:31 PM Flag
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My 4 mo old just started at daycare. I had a preference for daycare over a nanny and was lucky to get a spot at a great center very close to work. It's very open door and I can visit during the day. This was one of the biggest considerations for me personally. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 06:11 AM Flag
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I did also. He's 14 months now and loves his daycare. He's a very happy boy and is well cared for there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 06:49 AM Flag
[ - ] My dd is taking antibiotics to treat strep throat. Her BM frequency went up, it's not diarrhea at this point, but close. Is this a normal reaction to antibiotics in toddlers? DD is 2yo. 16 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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Very common [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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yes - get her some kefir [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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Yep, and where do you live, if you don't mind me asking? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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Queens [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:26 PM Flag
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yes. I give my dc Florastor (probiotic) when they're on antibiotics. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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op: Ok, I was considering giving her probiotics, but wasn't sure which ones: yeast or good bacteria. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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Just yogurt is fine. If DD has already been on antibiotics for awhile, it may not help that much. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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op: DD eats yogurt (Fage brand) every morning. Is Kefir very differnt? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:33 PM Flag
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np-yogurt is not powerful enough [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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yogurt's a good start though - that's probably why she doesn't have diarrhea [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:56 PM Flag
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kefir has more probiotics than most yogurt [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:42 PM Flag
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Yes. Give her yogurt. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:26 PM Flag
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Make sure it's good, natural yogurt. No that crappy stuff with corn syrup. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:40 PM Flag
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you want to give her probiotics--NOT just yogurt, but a good potent probiotic powder formulated for babies. Jarrodophilus is a good brand. Any hf store would have it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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Yep. Same as adults. As above posters said, probiotics. GL! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:56 PM Flag
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op: Thank you all! Will start with Florastor (according to its manufacturers, it treats antibiotic-induced diarrhea). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:37 PM Flag
[ - ] What time does your 2 yo go to sleep? How long does it take him/her to fall asleep? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.25.08, 12:24 PM Flag
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8:00 varies [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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Around 8. It depends--sometimes he talks to himself or "reads" in bed for 15-30 minutes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:26 PM Flag
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8. Ten minutes usually. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:23 PM Flag
[ - ] diagnose me: I just had an uncontrollable urge for Oreos, went out and bought a pack and am now eating my way through them. Am I pg? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:23 PM Flag
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put an I in there [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:26 PM Flag
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time for an Oreo intervention! put the cookies down and step away from the package. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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eat a pickle salt cravings cancel sugar cravings [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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probably just pmsing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:22 PM Flag
[ - ] Slow children should be segregated from regular classes. 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 06.25.08, 12:14 PM Flag
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Duplicate posters should be segregated from those who can control their keyboards. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:50 PM Flag
[ - ] Slow children should be segregated from regular classes. 93 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 06.25.08, 12:14 PM Flag
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The NYT has a piece about this phenomenon today.http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/education/25gift.html [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:15 PM Flag
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This program sounds perfectly fine. It does not track students for life. It takes the low performers and gives them excellent education for one year and then they advance to the next grade in a normal class. I don't see what is so objectionable about that. It is a better practice than having them repeat the same grade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:25 PM Flag
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ITA. Historically, though, kids who were put in "special" classes were held behind forever. So parents are afraid. They should call these special acceleration classes or something like. And the kids should be advanced up a grade. "Special Acceleration 2nd Grade." Kinda like junior first. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:33 PM Flag
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The article was about kids repeating the same grade, just with a class only of kids repeating the same grade (rather than with a class of younger kids). The goal is to promote them into a class the following year where they will be the oldest in a class of younger kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 04:56 PM Flag
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np. ITA. And attitudes like this one from the article make me nuts: "'This is very worrisome,' said Jay Heubert, a professor of law and education at Teachers College at Columbia University, arguing that both holding back students and separating them can lower self-esteem and academic achievement, increasing the likelihood of dropouts." Um, okay. You know what ELSE lowers kids' self-esteem and academic achievement? Being the lowest-performing dc in a class and unable to keep up with the curriculum year after year! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 06:46 PM Flag
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ITA!!! I found it sad in that article how stigmatized the parents seemed to be by the class. They were more worried about their child's status than doing what's best for them! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 07:24 PM Flag
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ITA. I hate it when my kid trips over some kid that won't get a move on [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:15 PM Flag
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I want to be your friend [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:17 PM Flag
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LOL! K! C'mon over for margaritas later [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:18 PM Flag
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can I? my plans got cancelled and i have a babysitter [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:58 PM Flag
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I think they should be shot, but only if slow in all areas including relays at recess. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:15 PM Flag
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or tazed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:16 PM Flag
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totally. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:18 PM Flag
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I want to be your friend too and I'm fast! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:19 PM Flag
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so we've heard [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:20 PM Flag
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you mean "easy"? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:21 PM Flag
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np: but are you cheap? That is really the issue. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:31 PM Flag
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The whole idea of "inclusion" is based on the ill-guided notion that brought you No Child Left Behind. Namely, that all children are fundamentally of equal capability, and therefore should be held to the same standard. It is time we stopped trying to raise the performance of low performers, and realized that society is better served by tracking them off to appropriate trade-oriented education; we need to be investing in the kids who will become the most productive members of society, not the future lost causes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:18 PM Flag
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Nice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:19 PM Flag
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school success is not the end all and be all of humanity [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:20 PM Flag
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You are a heartless evil scumwoman [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:20 PM Flag
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why? B/c she understands that people are born with differing abilities? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:23 PM Flag
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No, because she doesn't want her brilliant baby, who didn't get the g&t placement she wanted, to be contaminated by close contact with those of (theoretically) lesser IQ. OP's motives are really clear here, especially if you've read around the past few days. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:52 PM Flag
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you are reading a lot into her statement. I think she is right and I ignore the school posts since I'm not in NYC and don't care [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:57 PM Flag
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If you're not in NYC, and don't care, why are you answering? Like the sound of your own voice that much? (Or the sight of your own words?) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:14 PM Flag
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I agree - breathtakingly evil. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:33 PM Flag
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ITA, "future lost causes"!! That infuriates me and what is wrong with the world... every child is different, has differenct capabilities and will contribute uniquely to society. Some of the smartest and most successful people I know were not good students. You are ignorant. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 07:29 PM Flag
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I almost agree with you but inclusion came along waaay before NCLB. Also, I don't think it's fair to call anyone a "lost cause". I do think however, that at some point, we should have different options - a college bound option, a trade school option etc. Nothing wrong at all with being a mechanic or hairdresser or plumber etc. College has gotten to be a right instead of a priviledge and I get so sick of hearing kids complain about how all the work isn't "fair". Seems like many kids go to college to drink. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:20 PM Flag
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DH was tracked as a low performer in elementary through high school. They tried to push him into trade school too. He left the state, got his degree, got some more degrees, and is now a high-end professional who is lauded for his intelligence. And let's remember that Einstein flunked out of school too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:42 PM Flag
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and? There will always be exceptions. Doesn't mean the current system is a good one [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:46 PM Flag
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so what? there will never be *a* best and fool proof way to know what a kid is capable of and what not. But anyhthing would be much better than the current state of the school system. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:48 PM Flag
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Until someone comes up with a foolproof way to track kids, without a huge margin of error, it would be ridiculous. And the only foolproof way to track kids is to have an almost one-on-one teacher-child relationship. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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that's a very pessimistic view. Tracking is being done in many countries and it really does more good than bad. Sure, there will always be individuals that will fall through the crack but you cannot meet the needs of every single individual when it comes to improving society in its whole. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:53 PM Flag
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Link to the research on this? Both parents have MSeD and have found the opposite to be true when applied in the US...what are you basing your statements on? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:55 PM Flag
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One of the biggest problem with tracking is that you set the stage for a dc to remain in the same track all the way through. I know so many dc that were excellent students in elementary and struggled in high school. Also know many ;ate bloomers who became excellent students later on. If you put a dc on a trade school track, they will have no chance of ever going to college [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:49 PM Flag
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This statement is horrifying. It really sounds like something the young Adolf Hitler would have written. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:28 PM Flag
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totally! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 03:49 PM Flag
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one could easily argue that the trade folks (electricians, plumbers, firemen, park rangers...) are more productive members of society than many of their more educated counterparts (ambulance-chasing lawyers of various sorts, I-bankers striving to make a fee from a deal that smells disaster down the road...). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:16 PM Flag
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Plus, trade folk get great (or better than non-trade) union benefits, get structured on the job training, and can retire and do something else while receiving pension benefits at relatively young 40s! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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Honey, you need a good lay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:36 PM Flag
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I was going to write something equally scathing, then I reread this and laughed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:41 PM Flag
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but they can't all be joking, all these other posters. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:03 PM Flag
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Please say you're joking. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:35 PM Flag
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oh come on! of course not all kids are of fundamentally equal capability, but the socio-economic and educational status of the parents is a huge factor in how much of the potential is realized. Children born to uneducated poor parents should not be automatically designated as lost causes - this is a huge loss to humanity! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 10:10 AM Flag
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of course when it's your child, you tend to see things a bit differently. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 05:19 AM Flag
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they are. Check out almost every private in Manhattan. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:19 PM Flag
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huh? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 03:51 PM Flag
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Most countries other than the US use tracking, based upon standardized exam scores, at a very early age to differentiate the college-bound kids from the trade-school bound kids. We need to do more of that. There should be no stigma in trade school. And lets face it: not every kid is college material, and we do them no favors by putting them in debt at the age of 24 (because it took them 6 years), with a useless sheepskin from Crap U. College is overrated for kids of average to below average intelligence. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:24 PM Flag
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ITTTTTTA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:24 PM Flag
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The problem is that liberals have equated "educational opportunity" as an all-powerful panacea for social ills. It isn't. I do feel that smart (but poor) kids should be afforded the opportunity to advance, but I think it is hopeless to try and take "special needs" kids and turn them into something they are not. (God, I hate that euphemism, too. Special needs = low potential. Maybe not in every case, but in many cases, it is absolutely true.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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ITA. I think mainstreaming just holds back the high performing kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:32 PM Flag
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np: Glad you don't get to decide that for my SN, 95% IQ kid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:34 PM Flag
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my God, you are an ass. Many special needs kids are capable of academic achievement and success. I would think in 2008 we have come a long way from labeling people w/ learning disabilites as stupid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 06:51 PM Flag
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are you kidding? there are so many SN. Some of them involve low IQ but some don't. My friend has a daughter with spina bifida. She is definitely special needs. But at 5yo, she is clearly smarter than you are. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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can't figure out if you are a nazi or just an ignorant idiot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 11:27 AM Flag
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God, I hate the euphemism "original poster". This OP = ignorant, disgusting ass. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 07:42 PM Flag
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lol! You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I can't even take you seriously [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 07:54 PM Flag
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Germany, for example, starts tracking right out of grade school. Based on an evaluation that is done by the elementary school teachers your kid will go on on one of three different tracks. One is the trade-school bound track, one the college-bound, and one in-between. During the years you are allowed to switch tracks if desired but most don't do it because of social norms. In the end your children are surrounded by other children of more or less the same intellectual level which makes teaching and learning extremely easy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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Also the material that is taught will differ. Everyone in society needs basic literacy and numeracy, but after that, let's face it, Franky is probably better off learning how to use different tools than struggling with geometry or chemistry. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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Yes, the curriculum is tailored to whatever is at the end of school. A trade-school bound student does not need to learn Latin or need a few years of calculus. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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NYC school track right after grade school too. Either you get into selective MS with good shot at college, or regular MS where you will struggle to graduate HS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:16 PM Flag
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Hardly the same. The majority of kids go to "regular" MS and still do well in HS and college. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:30 PM Flag
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Are you kidding me? Have you looked up the graduation rate from NYC HSs? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:44 PM Flag
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the majority do not even go to college. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 04:59 PM Flag
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yep, a good portion don't even graduate from HS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 06:49 PM Flag
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at least they don't try to track from the ridiculous age of 4. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:19 PM Flag
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how sad. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 12:36 PM Flag
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ITA. There is no shame in working with your hands, if that is your forte. Hell, monetarily they may even do much better than they college-educated peers, as a plumber, contractor, electrician, if they're good and in high demand. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:57 PM Flag
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All kids should be IQ tested at age 4. Their scores should be permanently tattooed on their foreheads. They should be treated accordingly for the rest of their lives. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:40 PM Flag
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parent has a stupid kid, obviously. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:41 PM Flag
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Me? Nah, mine is quite smart. THat's why I'm pushing for the tattoo. Then everyone will know how superior she is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:43 PM Flag
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np: I think that person was talking about your mom. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 01:14 PM Flag
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i think she was joking, duh! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 07:33 PM Flag
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an IQ test is not the right approach for this. There is so much more involved. I think by the end of elementary school the capabilities of a child are obvious and a dialog between teachers, child, and parents could put the child into the right track with a curtriculum that is "tailored" towards him and similar children. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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They're only obvious in a very good school with very good teachers and staff. Plenty of kids have been considered "slow" who were in fact of very high intelligence. Especially in crowded school systems that try to teach all the kids the same way. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:48 PM Flag
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yes, but at some time they shine through and get attention, no? Either parents or teachers will notice the "misplacement" and work on getting the kid into the right track. That, of course, needs an openness on all sides that will never really happen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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No. Not at all. 75% of my family works for the school system in varying capacities, more kids fall through the cracks than actually get noticed for their abilities. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:53 PM Flag
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which is exactly what the private school admissions system does. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 04:47 PM Flag
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Agreed. Just as mothers want their 'special genius' dcs to be segregated, so too should the other spectrum of 'special' [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:10 PM Flag
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Aren't they? Isn't that called "special ed?" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 01:13 PM Flag
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if this were the old UB, you'd have a shit storm. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:22 PM Flag
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you should be segregated from us [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:21 PM Flag
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The tone of this thread is really becoming quite nazi-like. Can't believe people are willing to come here and say this stuff. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:25 PM Flag
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the new UB. i hate this. i'm so glad i have confirmation of how horrible these women are. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:27 PM Flag
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it's really frightening and is creeping me out. Truly like the notes for a speech Hitler might have made in the early 1930s. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:37 PM Flag
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Thank you for putting my vague thoughts into words. What was that movie in the 80s? The Wave or something? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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What is "slow"? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 03:04 PM Flag
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Oh geez, just call it like it is. Just put all the black and hispanic kids in the lower tracks and call it a day. Really, what some of you guys is suggesting is a caste system that dooms these kids from elementary school through the rest of their lives. Education IS a right. Anyone who genuinely wants one should have it, and it's not up to the gov't or the broken school systems of this country to decide who deserves a college education and who does not. Nothing is wrong with trade school, but if you put blinders on these kids early on, then they will never be able to explore their abilities and find out who it is they are to be. Tracking to a more subtle degree (as in not determining the end result -- college or not -- can be helpful, but not the way some of you guys want to do it. Crazy!) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:02 PM Flag
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YOu tell them. These people are nuts! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:38 PM Flag
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Amen and hallelujiah, sister. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 10:01 AM Flag
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I only came over here because this thread was referred to elsewhere. Amazing how conservative and stupid this board has become in the last month or so [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 07:57 PM Flag
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And callous ignorant people like you should go live in a hole. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 08:43 PM Flag
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(meant for original poster ALL the way above!!) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 08:44 PM Flag
[ - ] oh my god. someone clearly flagged a post that i wrote where i disagreed with her obnoxious statements and got me suspended. unreal what babies people are here. 10 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.25.08, 12:13 PM Flag
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what did you say? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:15 PM Flag
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I don't think flagging a post gets you suspended. I think flagging a post brings what you said to the attention of an impartial deleter and they decide. What did you say? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:16 PM Flag
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Nothing inflammatory. No cursing. Etc. She was accusing me of being bitter and loving money more than anything (which is pretty crazy b/c I wah in a very fledgling business and send DC to public school) and we kept going back and forth. I assume she was "suspended" too. I assume it's permanent b/c I haven't' been able to log in at that name for days. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:20 PM Flag
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next time mind your manners [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:21 PM Flag
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Oddly enough, I did. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:22 PM Flag
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is your fledgling business a website perhaps? maybe they thought you were spamming [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:21 PM Flag
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It isn't and I've never once mentioned it here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:22 PM Flag
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np I haven't gotten suspended since the change. It doesn't tell you for how long anymore? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:22 PM Flag
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The e-mail said: Your account has been suspended. Thank you, Urban Baby [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:22 PM Flag
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interesting. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:23 PM Flag
[ - ] how many dpo do you get your period? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:04 PM Flag
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:14 PM Flag
[ - ] Oh my crap I've been bored before but this is frigging ridiculous! Summer=slow anyway, boss is on vacation for 3 weeks 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:03 PM Flag
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well say something interesting then instead of whining! Are you my 3yo? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:12 PM Flag
[ - ] Where to find artsy mom friends? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:02 PM Flag
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where do you live? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:03 PM Flag
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Murray Hill [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:05 PM Flag
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walk out of building, head south until you get to LES follow cool looking moms with strollers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:07 PM Flag
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lol. yep, then stalk them! I'm sure they'll want to be friends then. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:13 PM Flag
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np Nah - if she wears cool clothes and has teh right stroller, they will start stalking her [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:16 PM Flag
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What about taking an are/art appreciation class? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:04 PM Flag
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did all of your non mom arsty friends die or something? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:04 PM Flag
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??? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:06 PM Flag
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NP: she means didn't you have friends before DC? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 12:07 PM Flag
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