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Thank you so much for being a valued member of the UrbanBaby community. We wanted to inform you that we are shutting down the site on July 6th. We are grateful for your participation and support that has helped make UrbanBaby such an important resource to parents for many years.

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[ - ] Where did DH propose? 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.19.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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Resort in Vermont [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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Brooklyn promenade [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:28 PM Flag
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Sammy's Roumainian [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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In bed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:29 PM Flag
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In front of my apartment building with a horse-drawn carriage waiting to take us for a ride. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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5th Ave. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:32 PM Flag
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Great Lawn, Central Park. (We used to go there every weekend to lay out, so it has sentimental meaning. It was sweet -- just us and our blanket and trashy magazines.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:35 PM Flag
[ - ] DD comes home from school today and asks abt all the penises. Then asks me if she always had a vagina. She's 4yo. 17 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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brace yourself. she will be obsessed with dh and his butt! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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my dd, 3, told me her penis hurt. i told her she didnt have one. She said it was inside. ?? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:29 PM Flag
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Oh my god that's funny! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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op. i know. and you know they mean something by it, it's just a bit mind bending the way they say it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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Or perhaps very in touch with her body. Many urologists think the clitoris is not only the same tissue as a penis but that it extends further back than (inside?) than just what can be seen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:37 PM Flag
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OR here- she def. meant her clitoris too. crazy kids... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:41 PM Flag
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she's 4 and has never heard the word vagina? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:30 PM Flag
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no. she has never once heard the word vagina. don't be an idiot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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wow, that was unnecessarily rude. since that's what i got from your post, maybe you should word it more clearly next time (you idiot). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:36 PM Flag
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lol.. so well spoken. did you really think my child has never heard the word vagina before? i mean really? or did you just want to snark? and if you're going to snark (which i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt) then you'll be snarked back. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:41 PM Flag
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unfortunately it seems plenty of parents out there are so afraid of the real words for body parts that this would be entirely possible. and if that was the case, then yes, I was disapproving (or snarking, if you like). still didn't think it called for the word idiot. so harsh. like something my mother would say (and yes she was always that nice, lol). nighty night, [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:44 PM Flag
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you get far too worked up for an online message board. funny tho, that you say your mother was nice, yet you still had to throw back idiot. i guess you're not your mother. nighty night! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:46 PM Flag
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my 5 yr old does not know the word and refers to all the private parts (male and female)as popa. she;ll tell dh "you have a funny popa" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:39 PM Flag
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We have two girls so in our house we call it "Daddy's vagina." He just agrees at this point, poor guy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:41 PM Flag
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lol. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:42 PM Flag
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lol... i love it. this gave me a smile for the night, i tell you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:43 PM Flag
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Yeah, he's a good sport. Let's them paint his toenails, too. Hey...wait a minute... :) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:46 PM Flag
[ - ] Lawyer types: Is there some City oversight board or office like the GAO that can ask the DOE for a post-mortem on what went wrong this year? They screwed up so much, and then screwed it up again and it's the last week of school and some of us still don't know where our kids got in. I'm just wondering who to write to--are they accountable to anyone? 17 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 06.19.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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Get over yourself. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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np: she may have a point. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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OP: WTF? I'm not saying I'm going over there and kicking their asses. I'm just wondering who has oversight. I've lived here my whole life. Speaking up often works and at the very least it makes me feel better. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:29 PM Flag
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I think your best bet is Besty Gotbaum's office. Do you know anyone there? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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OP: No, I don't, but I'm sure I can sort out the right person. Thanks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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GL. If things hadn't worked out for us due to snafus, you bet your butt that I'd be raising a ruckus. I really don't care what anon. UBers would think of me, either. And fwiw, B.G's office has been great with three issues I know of - 2 for programs I am involved with and one regarding a personal issue for a friend. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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OP: Thanks very much. I'll look into whom to write to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:40 PM Flag
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I think it's a fair point. I got the wrong family's letter this year (ie: the envelopes were stuffed incorrectly). When I called the DOE, they actually suggested that I forward on the letter and wait for someone else to forward me my letter. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:41 PM Flag
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The Mayor. The Chancellor / DOE is directly under the Mayor's watch. You can write to him, tell your friends, and to hell w/this Mayor Bloom berg is great stuff. He sucks. S U C K S. Oh, 311 was good but that's it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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why don't you know where your dc is going? Makes no sense. Did they lose your letter? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:03 PM Flag
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OP: No, shockingly, they haven't sent letters to D1 for the lottery yet. Or we haven't gotten them, anyway. The G&T letters came by courier over the weekend but we're left with calling the schools, who aren't really allowed to say anything, if they know. It's a nightmare. No one can plan and schools can't do orientation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:08 PM Flag
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not sure what you mean? G&T schools won't register you? won't acknowledge to you that you are on the list over the phone? do they tell you to come by in person? also, if this is more for the lottery, why not get a petition for all the D1 parents to sign and take that to bloomberg? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:14 PM Flag
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OP: No, not G&T. Regular classes and progressives. The schools can't tell us and say wait for the letter and no letter is forthcoming. We should storm Bloomberg's office, although we keep thinking bythe time we get that done we'll have been notified. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 07:23 AM Flag
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Accountable to the Mayor. But if you are looking for someone to scrutinize what was done, I suggest you speak with the boro president (Scott Stringer, Manhattan) or public advocate (Betsy Gotbaum) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:10 PM Flag
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OP: thanks so much. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:13 PM Flag
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call to check with the policy (issues) director in the office. If they don't know about this already, they should. And if anyone can get answers it should be there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:16 PM Flag
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The Panel for Educational Policy oversees G&T admissions policy. The current policy was approved 12-1 with Manhattan Borough President Stringer's appointee opposed. You can and should complain to your BP, City Council member and State Assembly member. The City Comptroller William Thompson has the power to audit the process as well. And Betsy Gotbaum has been very focused on education. But the mayor has extraordinary authority under the current system. The State Legislature will decide what changes in the governance structure of the schools to make next year so letting them know is probably the most useful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:40 PM Flag
[ - ] how much does California closets charge to update an average sized closet? Also, are they the best/most cost efficient? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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They are expensive and the quality of the materials is not great. We are using a company in PA - Allentown who for the same price has much better materials and much more personalized service. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:30 PM Flag
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thx. I'm in NYC though. Any suggestions? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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It's worth calling them and asking them to come to the city. Same cost as cc but much better quality [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:36 PM Flag
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^^Creative Closets is the name. Not sure if they come to the city, butI know they do Short Hills area which is only 1 hr away. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:33 PM Flag
[ - ] A vent... met a friend of a friend for coffee when he was in town. he knew i'm married and with a kid. dd came with us and we hung out. afterwards, he made some sort of skeevy comment abt my being a beautiful woman and that i should be able to get whatever i want in life. (i think you had to be here to get how skeevy it was). 24 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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yeah, guess you had to be htere. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:23 PM Flag
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lol, how do people write this shit with a straight face? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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So you're so deprived of any positive feedback in life that you feel the need to insult others? So when do you get out? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:29 PM Flag
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I am a grown woman who doesn't put myself into compromising situations with my child. You might be too beautiful to have to worry about those kinds of concerns though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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op here... first, i didn't write the above line. second, i woudn't say it was compromising. but i love how you so quickly judge. i'm thinking your shoulder chip could need a rest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:32 PM Flag
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you should be more careful with your kids safety [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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oh please. you're just grasping for straws now. you want to defend yourself by attacking op. very ery sad. get therapy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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ITA! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:29 PM Flag
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gratuitously mean; getting short term kicks - spelling correctly; priceless. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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way to trip on your own line [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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nice try neanderthal [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:30 PM Flag
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nah, she's just hating bc no one called her beautiful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:29 PM Flag
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lol. how can you not think this woman's post is random? I wasn't really, um, "hating" - I just honestly didn't get her post! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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omg... let...it...go... go on with your life. ok ok. you're beautiful too. it was beside the post of the post, but yes, you're beautiful too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:40 PM Flag
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Why were you having coffee with a friend of a friend? It does sound weird, I'm just curious. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:24 PM Flag
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a bunch of us were meeting later for dinner. this guy needed a ride. i was hanging out with dd in the part of town where he was. so i picked him up bf heading to dinner. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:25 PM Flag
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ah. well, if it were me i'd mention it to my friend, just in the normal part of conversation. how did you respond when he said that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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i ignored it completely. dd was asking me questions. i was also trying to get ready to go. i always wonder what else ic an say in situations like this. where you want to say something, but don't want to be too harsh. whatever the case, we ended up hanging out with other people during dinner. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:28 PM Flag
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sounds like it ended ok. i've had that line delivered to me several times and if anything i found it patronizing. as if i don't already have what I want in life, kwim? what a loser. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:30 PM Flag
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i do get what you mean. there's no other reason for it but flirting. or from a very good friend. otherwise. i don't understand why people woudl say this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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well, at the end of the day, someone flirted with you inappropriately. not the end of the world, y'know? just take the weird compliment and move on, i guess! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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I think OP would like to indulge in a look more flustered amazement that she was called beautiful. Can't....let....it.....go.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:37 PM Flag
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yes. i see that you can't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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you know. i think it was more his whole demeanor that seemed off. not just the comment. this is a guy that many of my friends know well. you never know. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:39 PM Flag
[ - ] What time should an 8-week-old go down for the night? Mine was exhausted at 7:45, so I put him down. Was I right to do this, or did he just need a short nap? Was going to bed at 9:30 or so until this week, which has been erratic. Has seemed extremely tired very early. 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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^^^has been fussing off/on since I put him down. Don't know whether to get him up or hope he'll sleep for the night. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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that sounds right [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:23 PM Flag
[ - ] St Johns Suits, ok? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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if your Angelina Jolie [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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A shade matronly. But they're trying to jazz it up; haven't seen recent seasons. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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you have to be super skinny and in good shape to even consider wearing st. john. other than that i love them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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Actually, my zaftig mom wore st. john to my wedding and looked really good. She wore some kind of foundation garment, but the suit was so well made it flattered her quite well. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:26 PM Flag
[ - ] What time should an 8-week-old usually go to bed? DS was exhausted at 7:45 so I put him down, but has been fussing off/on since then. Was I right to put him down for the night, or should I just have given him a short nap? Evenings are so confusing for me! 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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At 8 weeks, I was still playing it by ear. But usually in the 9 PM range. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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8 weeks is way too young for them to be prdictable, imo. just do what feels right from day to day and a pattern will emerge over time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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8 week olds are still kind of all over the place. . . 7:45 sounds a little early. We often took dc for a walk at that time of night and she would sort of zone out or nap, then wake up when we returned. Sleep for the "night" around 10 or 11. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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go with your gut at any rate he/she will be up in four hours or so anyway. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
[ - ] Did any of you read that rant on LL that someone posted on Inside Schools? Honestly, it was one of the most sanctimonious things I have ever read. 63 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.19.08, 06:12 PM Flag
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no give a readers digest version please. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:15 PM Flag
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Our son with a score of 98% (98/99) was offered our third choice school, Lower Lab. NEST+m was our first choice, followed by Anderson. We actually ranked all the schools and sent in the form before we realized that the deadline was extended and that some schools were offering tours. We were able to visit our top three choices, but our fourth choice didn't offer tours. After the tours, we determined that if we were not offered a seat at NEST+m, we would send our son to our local school, a wonderful school in D2 (the school that both my husband and I attended when we were kids). Frankly, we were appalled by the situation at Lower Lab: 1) given the populations of Lower Lab and the local school that hosts LL, the children are racially segregated; 2) on the tour, we learned that each school uses separate entrances (rings of jim crow laws to us); and 3) LL does a considerable amount of fund-raising, but seems to do little to support and help its host school, PS 198. As my husband said, we did not go to public school in the 1960s and early 1970s pledging allegiance to the flag and singing, "We Shall Overcome," to send our son to a school like Lower Lab. As lifetime New Yorkers and strong believers in the values of public education, we are so disheartened that the city's school system has come to this. We believe that diversity, respecting difference and inclusiveness are essential life lessons that are far more valuable than the education offered in "accelerated" or "gifted & talented" programs. We were so opposed to the whole notion of G&T, but we were urged by various early childhood educators to explore it. We thought NEST+m was truly a stand-out compared to the other schools. As much as we dream of a day when each and every public school will be given the resources it needs to give all its children the opportunity to reach their full potential, I'm afraid that we have fallen victim to a severely-flawed and cost-draining program that has us wishing that our telephone will ring in late August asking us if we would like our son to attend NEST+m in September. To those who are happy with their offers, I say congratulations. To those who are not, I urge you to keep believing that we can be nation that cares about the quality of its people, but it's going to require that we take a stand, not just for ourselves and our children, but more importantly for those who need a voice and helping-hand. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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Wow [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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Hmmm - i wonder if the wonderful D2 school she and her husband attended is integrated - what do you think the racial mix is? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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sounds like another idiot! I mean what do people think should be done about this situation. perhaps we should keep all the G&T programs in one building, segregated from everyone else so that you don't see the racial disparity. not our faults if the non-white kids do not test into LL. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:11 PM Flag
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I don't necc agree with the rant but do you really htink it is as simple as AA kids don't test in? You are right that they may not have the test scores but ALOT factors into that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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SOUR GRAPES!! I am a LL parent and there are African American, bi-racial, Asian and Hispanic families. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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ITD. There is 1 AA kid in DC's entire grade. I love LL but there's no doubt that it's very white and the racial divide in the building is jarring. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 12:06 PM Flag
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I don't understand why this is a problem. It's not that 198 is a bad school. The majority of 198 kids did not get tested or didn't test well. This is not LL's or the DOE's fault. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.10, 05:23 AM Flag
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Yes, there are. There is one black kid in K. One hispanic in 1st. Not sure about 2nd. It is noticeable, though, that 3rd and up is a bit more diverse (not much but visible). Those are the grades pre OLSAT. The majority of kids are white, followed by Asian. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.10, 05:23 AM Flag
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i think she's right on. i wouldn't send dc to lower lab for the same reasons. and yes, dc qualified. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.10, 08:10 AM Flag
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This is the most asinine thing that I have every read. To the idiot who wrote this PS 77 (LL) and PS 198 ARE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE SCHOOLS. THEY ONLY SHARE A BUILDING AND THAT IS IT. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 04:04 AM Flag
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I can't find that posting anymore. Did Insideschool erase it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.10, 05:24 AM Flag
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Never mind. It's on the blog. The blog is full of loonies. Nothing to worry about. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.10, 05:25 AM Flag
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why can't i find it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:21 PM Flag
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http://insideschools.blogspot.com/2008/06/gt-admissions-has-dust-settled.html [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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where is the post? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:25 PM Flag
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If you double click on the OP, you can read the entire rant. It's posted near the end of the comments on the 2nd to most recent G&T blog thread [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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OH, and best of all, it was in RESPONSE to some nice, excited sounded mom who said that her dd was accepted to LL and she didn't know much about it, and could anyone provide some more info [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:28 PM Flag
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http://insideschools.blogspot.com/2008/06/gt-admissions-has-dust-settled.html [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:28 PM Flag
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Wondering if parent was at the same LL open house as we were. A question was asked about diversity within the school and a PTA woman said that the numbers don't reflect the diversity. Her answer was basically REALLY bad (and in some ways insulting) trying to couch the fact that LL is basically a very white school. The PTA woman's answer did make DH and I think twice about LL, but have met other parents from there since then, and our opinion is although it is rather white and rather rich, it still is a really good school and we will be sending DC there this fall. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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unfortunately it is somewhat rich and white but it is an amazing school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:51 PM Flag
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BTW - 198 uses the front door and LL uses the back door [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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Intersting that the racial profiles of LL and NEST are almost identical (give or take a % point or two) - I guess a G&T is only offensive if you actually see the disadvantaged people of color but if they are in a horrible school elsewhere then it is OK [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:40 PM Flag
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LOL, I was thinking exactly the same [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:41 PM Flag
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Kids get the message very quickly when it is in their face every day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:13 PM Flag
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the message that there are inequities? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:17 PM Flag
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What inequities would the kids see? It's not like LL kids have golden classrooms or anything. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:22 PM Flag
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Are the kids on the playground at the same time? Do they share lunch time in the cafeteria? The fact that there's a separate entrance says a lot right there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:25 PM Flag
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what do they do at other schools that share a program? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:30 PM Flag
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One school comes through the front door (198) and one school comes through the back door (Lower Lab). What's the inequity there? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:37 PM Flag
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It draws a distinction between two groups of kids, largely of different races. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 08:20 PM Flag
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no, 198 uses the back door, but that was their choice (they are much larger than 77 and it's logistics, but it is symbolically weird). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 05:13 AM Flag
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wrong - the third avenue entrance is the back door to the basement level - 198 uses the front door from the yard [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 05:19 AM Flag
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um, I do drop off every day. 3rd ave is the front, right in front of the auditorium, the back door opens to the yard behind the school. Odd that you would argue this. Do you also argue that LL is diverse? Or that the kids don't notice the racial divide? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 11:56 AM Flag
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I don't get it. So the door that opens into the hallway of the first floor is the back door and the door that opens into the basement with extra stairs is the front door for you? What's the logic here? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.10, 05:30 AM Flag
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If the school is so awful why did they rank it 3rd? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:42 PM Flag
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I agree with the Inside Schools poster. What message are we giving children when they see a school with fewer resources comprised mostly of kids of color inside the same building? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:11 PM Flag
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where does your dc go to school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:13 PM Flag
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but what message are we giving children when they see schools with fewer resources comprised mostly of kids of color withing the same city - it is not a LL problem [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:15 PM Flag
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It is different if kids are sharing the same building. I saw a 5 year old child from the Earth school asked if kids in her school wear uniforms and her reply was "The white girls don't." (The Earth School is located inside a zoned public school--with uniforms--in the East Village.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:19 PM Flag
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^^^^ Kids don't have the big picture that adults do. They base their reality on what they see everyday. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:22 PM Flag
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And is there something wrong with that child' [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:24 PM Flag
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...with that child's observation [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:25 PM Flag
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The child's observation was correct, but it is a sensibility that I would not like my child to develop. My child (who attends a uniform school) reported the comment to me with surprise. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:28 PM Flag
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I don't get it really. What's the "sensibility" that you don't like? That there are different races in the world? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:40 PM Flag
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^^ditto - or that things aren't always neat and equal? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:44 PM Flag
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And it's not even that it's not "equal". It's just different. One school wears uniform, the other doesn't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:45 PM Flag
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The sensibility I don't want my child to develop is that wearing a uniform (or being part of a group) is based on color lines: "White kids don't wear uniforms. Black kids do." the child my dc spoke to had gotten the message, at age 5, that her school was the white kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 08:26 PM Flag
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ITA - racial divisions among programs in the same building send the message to kids that racial differences exist and matter as a way of classifying people (more than e.g. hair color). Bad message. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:32 AM Flag
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Oh...so out of sight it out of mind. It is okay for NEST and Anderson to have wonderful facilities b/c they do not share a building with a local school that draws from a low-income neighborhood. I guess the answer is that LL should have their own, band new building, a couple blocks away (just out of sight enough) and then it would fine. All these schools do is share a building! BTW, TAG has the SAME issue. They share a building with a local school and it is quite obvious that they have far better resources. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:07 AM Flag
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but, but, but, TAG's kids are mostly black and hispanic! This is all about skin color. Nothing more. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 11:31 AM Flag
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I think that insideschools poster should send her kid to PS 198 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:21 PM Flag
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^^^But of course she never would. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:21 PM Flag
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She made sense to me until she started the bit about nest. If there ever was a white school, that was Nest. I think she should stop praying for nest if she learned anything from her experience during the 60s and 70s. I agree, that most district schools with G&t have all white classes while the rest of the schools are minorities. It is jaring! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 07:55 PM Flag
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which tells you a lot about our society. I really don't think the DOE is able to solve all this on its own. I even wonder if this is "fixable" at all or even should be fixed. What do sociologists think? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 11:50 AM Flag
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What makes you say NEST is a white school? In my DD's first grade class, there are 10 non-white kids out of 25. In our local gen ed, it is more like 1 out of 25. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.10, 08:20 PM Flag
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The real world is segregated. The segregation is not based on politics but by socio-economic and cultural differences. Why should education be any different? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.10, 02:15 PM Flag
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ugh. you sound like rand paul. let's just have restaurants that will only serve white customers, shall we? the real world is segregated after all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.10, 08:12 AM Flag
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Why is someone dredging up this post from 2008? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.10, 02:16 PM Flag
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OMG - you are right! This is from 2008! People, c'mon! Don't reply on something that was from 2008. It bumps it back to the forefront as if it is still a valid and new post. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.10, 06:34 AM Flag
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totally! replying on a post from 2008, like you just did when you told people not to, keeps bumping it up!! It's so confusing!! Oops, I think I just bumped it up again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.10, 07:07 AM Flag
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somebody has to say it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.10, 08:11 AM Flag
[ - ] what's the first appointment with an ob/gyn ( i just found out that i am pregos) like? 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:12 PM Flag
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well "See you in a month" is about it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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so there in no internal exam or anything of the sort? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:15 PM Flag
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if there is, they better have a good reason why they want to stick their hand up there. they may want to do an ultrasound to confirm pregnancy, but otherwise just what you'd expect. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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of course there is a good reason; every woman should have regular ob-gyn exams, pap smears, etc, and to check for any abnormalities. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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they take a pregnancy test and take blood, weight you, blood pressure etc... and the usual family medical history stuff. [ Reply | More
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they won't be able to see a heartbeat until around 6 weeks... then they'll see you again around 12 weeks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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they ask you all of your medical history as well as dh's. not sure if they take blood at the first to check for std's. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:29 PM Flag
[ - ] Any westchester moms on? Need rec. for good cleaning company to do a pre move in clean. Thanks 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:09 PM Flag
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we're in Bedford and looked into that two years ago. Watch out it's a huge rip off. There's a Molly"s Maids thyoe outfit that will be glad to charge you thousands [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:10 PM Flag
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that is not clear..unless your house is 10 thous sq ft..it is not thousands...i need a recommendation.. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:15 PM Flag
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9 thousand with finished basement so maybe that's why. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:23 PM Flag
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yeah, dont forget to include the finished basement! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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bitter much? yeah uh I dunno [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:43 PM Flag
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lol. np is clearly a product of inner city schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:44 PM Flag
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Yes, I have a recommendation. Westfair Cleaning, they are based I think in Connecticut but they cover Westchester and Fairfield (hence the name). We were going to use Maid Brigade, but I got the runaround from them, so ended up with Westfair, they're v low key but v thorough, and they were about 1/3 the price quoted to me by Maid Brigade. We used them for a pre-move-in/post-construction clean, but I now use them for my weekly cleanings as well. [ Reply | More
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ARco was excellent and priced well. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:34 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone know about the pros & cons long term of using a cadaver ACL instead of a piece of your own? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:07 PM Flag
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wow. I have no clue, but I'm really curious! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:14 PM Flag
[ - ] I am so broke I want to cry. Dh and I never have ANY money though we make about $130K combined. I mean NO MONEY. I went to the eye doctor today and couldn't pay the co-pay. $15 and I couldn't pay it. 31 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:06 PM Flag
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lay out your budget [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:06 PM Flag
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I have. I pay most of my paycheck to daycare and older dd's private school (we have MAJOR financial aid but it is still $750/month). It leaves me about $300/month for groceries and a few $$ a day spending money. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:08 PM Flag
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You cant afford private school, that I can see. You are paying almost $20k. a year in tuition. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:11 PM Flag
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I know. But school is just not something I want to cheap out on. Dd was so unhappy in our local public. We just switched her to private. It is really really hard to pay for it, that I admit. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:13 PM Flag
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yup its gotta go. Be more creative within the public system [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:13 PM Flag
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So what are you going to cheap out on? Healthcare? Food? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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I cheap out on my own wardrobe, accessories, nice things for my home, that sort of thing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:20 PM Flag
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But you couldn't pay YOUR DOCTOR. Doesn't that strike you as a higher priority than your dd's tuition, when public school is available for free? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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Cut out private school, watch the pocket money. What does DH's paycheck cover? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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Where do you live? we;re in nyc and that's about our income. While we're often stretched, it's not that bad. Hmmm. Tried a budget? Where's the money going? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:07 PM Flag
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we live on the LES. Decent rent. We owe a shitload, and are in debt consolidation. I guess we DO NOT know how to budget. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:09 PM Flag
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I think there are good free services that help with learning how to budget. Maybe motleyfool.com can help you figure out someone to ask. Or the debt consolidation people? Sounds like most of your $$ goes to child care. I'm the poster w/similar income (and similar neighborhood!). Actually 130K was before dc was born; now it's all dh's 90K income and we're doing it with me sahming + maybe 10K freelance income. So it IS doable for you, I suspect. Good luck! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:13 PM Flag
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sorry, that really sucks. do you rent? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:09 PM Flag
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yes [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:12 PM Flag
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wake up [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:09 PM Flag
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shut up [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:10 PM Flag
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well it sounds like something has to give. I would say the private tuition would free up a lot of money have you considered trying for a G&T or one of the east village lottery schools? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:11 PM Flag
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thank you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:12 PM Flag
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your welcome. i'm sure older child would do well in a regular school or g&t have you tried? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:13 PM Flag
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she was in an EV lottery school. Very unhappy. We applied to private, got in and got FA. Maybe it was a big mistake. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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What grade did she switch (not a budget question, but a school one!). do you care to name the EV school? I'm in the neighborhood and just starting to think of these things. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:19 PM Flag
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how old are your kids? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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3 and 7 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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Private elementary school should not be an educational priority. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:18 PM Flag
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why so unhappy in lottery school? which school was it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:21 PM Flag
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Ugh, please. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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OP does not have the luxury to devote the family resources to private school. In 2 years she will then have 2 private school tuitions and they aint happening [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:23 PM Flag
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Cut out the private school and live in a place you can actually afford. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:19 PM Flag
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ita. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:24 PM Flag
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i think it's dangerous to send your child to a school that is "rarified" and doesn't necessarily reflect their day to day reality. You could, potentially, be setting them up for a big fall-out. I am a child of such an existence and it literally rocked my world. Be wise. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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Oy. This is why the middle class is leaving New York. I don't want to leave--I love it here!--but crap it's expensive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:29 PM Flag
[ - ] I need some ideas on what to give my sister and brother in law. my dh and 2 dds have been living with them for over 2 months while we looked for a house. we are closing the beginning of july. I already bought them a $250 gift certificate for their favorite restaurant in the city. what else can I give them to say thanks? 15 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.19.08, 06:03 PM Flag
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a new appliance to replace one that is older [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:04 PM Flag
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their house is really quite new... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:05 PM Flag
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then some landscaping, new construction always needs it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:06 PM Flag
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ok.. anything else? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:06 PM Flag
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^^that is a great idea....a medium size new tree - like 20 feet tall - can be like $500-$700. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:10 PM Flag
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I am getting the feeling OP would like a much cheaper option [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:12 PM Flag
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no, that isn't it at all. my sister is very particular about her landscaping and wouldn't appreciate a tree. I want to get her something to show her I am actually thankful [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:13 PM Flag
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grateful. not thankful [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:13 PM Flag
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What's the difference? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:20 PM Flag
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How about "his & hers' massages somewhere nice while you watch their kids? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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ok, now we're talking... along those lines. can be a few different things. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:15 PM Flag
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^^and cheaper too! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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right... because I said a few things combined so it will def be cheaper. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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^^you can add tickets to a show...or a baseball game....it's not too hard to go from there [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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thanks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:18 PM Flag
[ - ] c'mon ladies! cheap sites for kids books?! 11 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:00 PM Flag
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meant site with cheap books [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:01 PM Flag
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told you, dover [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:01 PM Flag
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they don't have titles by eric carle, watty piper etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:03 PM Flag
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how about getting an old fashioned library card at the local library and checking the books out for free? kids grow out of board books so quickly why buy? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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egads! A Library! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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np: i think library board books are gross. kids chew on them, etc. and yo dd now had her own library card, but board books? ick [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:18 PM Flag
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^^5 yo dd... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:19 PM Flag
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Ick? That is priceless! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:19 PM Flag
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But I doubt any cooties that would live in a mouth could survive the relatively cold, dry environment of a book. We borrow from the library all the time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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overstock.com, kidsurplus.com [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:15 PM Flag
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abebooks.com [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 11:14 AM Flag
[ - ] looking for a high end traditional lighting, any good websites to look at. hate most retail chandeliers out there look cheap to me and so "new" love antique, so would do new or antique as long as it had that old traditional feel. tia 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 05:57 PM Flag
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what do you mean by traditional are you talking restoration hardware? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:05 PM Flag
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Maybe Restoration Hardware? My style is more contemporary, but they have good quality older style that don't look cheesy. But I see you want a chandelier. . . dunno if they do that. . . [ Reply | More
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if you want the good stuff and live in nyc sounds like a trip to ABC Home is in order. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.19.08, 06:06 PM Flag
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np: good suggestion! [ Reply | More
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