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[ - ] Can anyone help me with Microsoft Office Word 2007? I can't figure out how to change the spacing between lines to single. 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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Format, paragraph, spacing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:44 AM Flag
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yep [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:45 AM Flag
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highlight the paragraph. choose "paragraph" adn there's an option for spacing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:44 AM Flag
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Thanks, that works. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:48 AM Flag
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no problem. i hate word '07. i much prefer the earlier versions. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:51 AM Flag
[ - ] Can anyone help me with Microsoft office word 2007? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:41 AM Flag
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probably not but i'm willing to try. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:42 AM Flag
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It is a pretty basic Q. How do I change the spacing from triple to single in between lines? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:44 AM Flag
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Menu: format, paragraph, spacing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:44 AM Flag
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do you have the drop down menus? or do you have an option to choose paragraph? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:45 AM Flag
[ - ] Downtown manhattan by the courthouses. Any ideas for kid friendly places in this area i.e. museums etc. Ds is 2 YO. 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.25.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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chinatown is always pretty fun with kids- you can eat dim sum, look at all the colorful things in the stores, and then go to columbus park playground. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:34 AM Flag
[ - ] Got sprung from jury duty early. Want to do something with ds, any ideas? I am downtown manhattan but we live in Harlem. We have zoo and CMOM mbrshp but so tired of CMOM. tia. 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.25.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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how old is your ds? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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2YO [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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go walk around in Battery Park, take a boat ride [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:47 AM Flag
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staten island ferry might be fun. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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Victorian Gardens in CP [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:45 AM Flag
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childrens museum of the arts in soho, jane st playground or playgrounds in bpc [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:47 AM Flag
[ - ] 3yo dd is very sweet. When she sees her friends she will run to them and hug them or want to hold their hand. One friend (whom mom I am friends with) has decided she doesn't want to and pushes her away. What would you do as the other girl's mom? Let her push my dd away or say, be nice, she is your friend? 12 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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i think if i were the other girl's mom i would scold my daughter and tell her to be nice, yes. but some mothers won't do that. and that might be ok too- to not make an issue. it'll be ok, my heart always breaks for my dd when she's rejected, but i don't think it bothers her as much [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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that is how I feel and it bothers me that she is so passive about [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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My child is not a hugger but I would not allow her to push her friend. I would make her apologize and I would explain to other child that my dc does not liked to be hugged an that maybe they could find another special way to greet each other [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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what can I do if my dd is pushed and the other mom doesn't say anything about it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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I think it's ok to tell other dc that it is NOT ok to push and that she hurt your dc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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this is what i do too. my dd does not like to hug or hold hands so i am trying to teach her to say "i don't feel like holding hands now." rather than getting upset or running away from her friend, which is what she usually does. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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I think adults do children a disservice when they make them hug/kiss/etc people they don't want to hug/kiss/etc. I expect my kids to be nic ebut I don't force them to hug or kiss anyone (but me! But that is about me not them.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:35 AM Flag
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they shouldn't be forced, but if they are pushing kids away and not being taught how to properly greet a friend and being rude and mean then they are also doing them a disservice [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:40 AM Flag
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if dd doesn't want to hug or kiss, i suggest she give the other kid a high 5 (same with adults). always hated being made to kiss ancient great aunt with a beard when i was a kid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:50 AM Flag
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if i were your dd's mom, i'd tell my dd not to hug that girl b/c she doesn't like to be hugged. and i'd show my dd other ways to greet people and let them know i'm happy to see them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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I totally agree. OP, you need to teach your child respect. Hugging someone who doesn't want to be touched is disrespectful. teach your dd to ask before she hugs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:18 AM Flag
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I know you want me to say that pushing is bad, but honestly, touching another person without their permission is bad too. Both of my kids hated to be touched without their permission. They both had like this personal space bubble and they couldn't stand it when people went in it without asking. to kids like that, your child has essentially pushed them first, and they are just pushing back. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:17 AM Flag
[ - ] A friend has melanoma(sp?)it has spread to 3 lymphnodes. Is this treatable? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.25.08, 09:22 AM Flag
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Not a great prognosis. They are doing experimental therapy with anti-cancer vaccines for this at Sloan-Kettering and at Columbia, I think. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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is it the same as stage 3? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:44 AM Flag
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I think it might be stage 4 since it is considered metastatic [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:52 AM Flag
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NP: I'm no expert, but I think Stage 4 means they have found cancer cells in either the lymphatic system, the bones or at least 1 major organ. But I'm not really sure. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:19 AM Flag
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^^^ in addition to the primary tumor/location. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:25 AM Flag
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aren't lymph nodes the lymphatic system? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:53 AM Flag
[ - ] urgent -- is there a toy store near 27th & Park Avenue South - or near Union Square? I need a present for a 7 yr old boy... Thanks! 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:22 AM Flag
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there are several barnes and noble bookstores in the area, including one right in union square [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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there is one on 23rd street east of park on the north side of the street. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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you can go into appleseeds - 25th bw bway and 6th and they have some nice gifts (toys) you don't have to be a member to shop [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:33 AM Flag
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Space Kiddets near Gramercy Park. Whatever the north border of the park is, a block or two west of the park, I think. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:42 AM Flag
[ - ] dd is turning 3 next week. she's been totally potty trained for pee for several months now. wears underpants all the time - even for sleep. but she totally refuses to poop in the potty. we have to put on a pull up when she needs to poop. I've tried everything I can think of with no luck. Any suggestions? She gets hysterical even at the suggestion. 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:22 AM Flag
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We had the same problem. Tried everything. Preschool told us to relax and wait which was v e r y hard. But one day, the miracle happened ... good luck. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:59 AM Flag
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My ds didn't really get potty trained until 4 1/2. Don't stress. Be glad she's peeing in the potty. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:08 AM Flag
[ - ] Interesting how kids just work out what they need to learn next on their own...DD scored 98 on ERB (with 99 verbal) but scored below average on block design. Kept her home from camp today (sick) and she has been in her room building with Widgets blocks all day. Trying to replicate the pictures from the booklet that comes in the box. She's doing REALLY well, too! I didn't suggest it...she picked them out from her toys and is hard at work figuring out what she needs to be working on. 18 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.25.08, 09:10 AM Flag
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and...? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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And what? I find it interesting. I'm sorry is this not the schools board of a parenting web site? Or is this the snotty reply board? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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apparently it's the VBA board this afternoon. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:16 AM Flag
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Oh, it's door #3....jealous shut outs. Sorry, I assumed you were mature enough to read the point of the post and not focus on the scores. obviously I was wrong. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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nice try. dc is at a TT. just tired of the VBAs, like I said. not too hard to understand. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:19 AM Flag
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Well at least you don't veil YOUR brag attempts! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:22 AM Flag
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hey, she asked for it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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Insecure, jealous or both? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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I have no reason to be either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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np: Perhaps you could have worded your post "DD scored well on the ERB, but below average on block design (etc)." See the difference? No need to post the score, and you avoid getting flamed for a VBA. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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OK thanks for the tip....here's one for you: Don't condescend to other adult women and you avoid being flamed for being a patronizing bitch. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:38 PM Flag
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That kind of thinking/acting will serve her very well in life. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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Let's hope! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:15 AM Flag
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I don't think this can be said for all kids. For instance, my ds avoids things he's not good at. So he won't, say, draw on his own if left to his own devices. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:34 AM Flag
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I just find it interesting that kids are scored on block building. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:07 AM Flag
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It's a memory test, not a test of ability to build. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:41 AM Flag
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that is an incredible oversimplification, at best [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:46 AM Flag
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its not really a memory test either - but a test of a child's ability to perceive and replicate patterns. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:50 AM Flag
[ - ] Job possibility in Foster City. Is there anywhere to live near there that is not going to cost $1,000,000. We are not rich. HHI would be $200K to start, dh would need to get job. Is it pointless to even consider moving to CA. Currently in NY metro area. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.25.08, 09:06 AM Flag
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there are some affordable-ish places near there, depending on your expectations. housing is expensive, but you could live in the east bay which is much cheaper, or some towns on the peninsula, or sf [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:20 AM Flag
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we moved here last year from nyc. it all depends on what you're looking for. we had family here and that was part of our reason. it's much much calmer here, adn beautiful, and warmer, and more outdoorsy, and all the things you've heard. but very different. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:21 AM Flag
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OP - Thank you both for your replies. my expectations are not major - would like to not have to drive too long to work and don't want a mcmansion just a little house. would prefer a nice community with sidewalks (if they still make those) and access to outdoors for myself, dh, two boys and our dog (lab). Is that doable? Any suggestions for places to live? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:36 AM Flag
[ - ] I feel so robbed by this whole school process. Who has the right to say my child doesn't deserve quality education because he didn't "pass" the test? Now we're struggling to get him in good general ed but having no luck. can't believe this is really happening to my very bright eager to learn child. 46 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.25.08, 09:05 AM Flag
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Sorry you're having trouble finding a good school for your dc, but try not to personalize it so much. It is not an attack on you or your child. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:08 AM Flag
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And I can't believe my child who tests "off the charts" is not given equal oportunity to learn in an accellerated classroom because of some totally unfair lottery. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:09 AM Flag
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but at least you got a good placement somewhere right? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:12 AM Flag
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We were not happy with our placement so we are going to stay in pre-K another year and then move or go private. But the placement I'm not happy with is the G&T at ps 166 and I realize that is a good program and I probably sound like an entitled edu-snob. Sorry to rub it in your face if you are dealing with a legitimately bad school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:16 AM Flag
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just curious - why are you unhappy with it? i know several people with kids in that program who are very happy with it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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Truly, you do sound like an entitled edu-snob. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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"off the charts"? LOL! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:15 AM Flag
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I know, somebody really has a high opinion of themself and their child. More like "off their rocker,", eh? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:16 AM Flag
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I am really curious to know what she means by "off the charts" in this context. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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NP: It means over the 99th percentile, as in 99.8 or 99.9. You can assertain this in the ERB and SB with consultation but not really with the OLSAT (unless you knew the raw scores of other kids nationally). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 02:36 PM Flag
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I've seen the homework at PS 166 G&T. You're not being a snob. There are smart kids there who are happy, but many smart, creative, self-directed kids would not be. There's not much enrichment to the academic curriculum; they don't learn that much; there is a huge amount of meaningless rote drill worksheets of material that a the vast majority of a G&T don't need; and there is no writing instruction although there's lots of writing. I wouldn't send my child there. Some smart kids do fine in mainstream or undertaught G&T's and some kids do not. It's not even all about how smart the kid is. But parents know their kids. If you can see tht your kid wouldn't be happy there, ignore what others say. It does seem to be the case, that a developmentally appropriate kindergarten is usually good enough even for the really smart kids. After that, they start needing to learn something while sitting for hours in a room. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:24 AM Flag
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Be really careful ; Maybe you don't know enough parents whom just finished the 166g&t year- Meet some. Blowing off that spot could really turn around and spank you next year. Even families w/$$ for private will be in a very hard situation next year. If you can reconsider(if you've registered), do. It isn't at all about how many 99s will be keeping your child company there; it's about how many seats there aren't in private, public or parochial. Take a good look around the playground. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 11:02 AM Flag
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Fascinating that an edu-snob like you doesn't know how to spell accelerated. Maybe your off-the-charts child can help you with such lapses. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:40 PM Flag
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What is your zoned school? What options do you have? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:09 AM Flag
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If you want to talk about options, I'm happy to help. If you just want to vent - go for it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:15 AM Flag
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how can you help? do you work for doe? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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wow, you are a piece of work. She is trying to help you. Obviously, you don't want help. you sound like an entitled *&^(. If your child's education is so important to you, why do you live in a zone with a bad school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:11 AM Flag
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NP-We don't have a zoned school for pre-K [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:45 AM Flag
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This is about K, I assume, as there is no such thing as public g&t k. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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you can be responsible for your child's education . if you aren't satisfied with what's going on in school, supplement at home. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:09 AM Flag
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ITA. BTDT w/ very bright dc in both good gen ed and G&T. Have learned the hard way that they both can benefit from supplementation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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nothing is stopping you from moving to a district with a better general ed or to the suburbs. This is your responsibility. the state's responsibility is to educate your child to minimum standards. As a parent, your responsibility is to get him the best education you can. No one is forcing you to stay in your apt. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:10 AM Flag
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you must have a g&t spot [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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I don't have a g&t spot and I totally agree with that poster. We could have sat on our rears in our comfy cheap apartment and hoped for a good placement, but we put some effort into it, moved, and guaranteed one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:14 AM Flag
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sounds like you grew up in communist Russia or China... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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Why? That's not remotely how communism works. Seems like someone else 'round here didn't get a very good education. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:17 AM Flag
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actually, it's the complete opposite of communism. I'm saying that the parent needs to take responsibility, not leave it up to the government. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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Actually communist Russia - as well as most countries in Eastern Europe - put a huge emphasis on education of all children and did a pretty good job with it. I totally agree with OP. The government should not seek to educate its citizens / children to mimimum standards but to the best of their abilities, which can mean good vocational training for some instead of dropping out of high schools with no skill sets. Many developed and/or Asian countries in the world have this objective. This notion that it is up to families to navigate an insane system, to be active in schools in order to provide a good education for their children is insane and incredibly short-sighted for the future of the country. That leaves millions of young adults with no skills to push this country forward and it is widely viewed as one of the biggest if not the biggest competitive threats for this country (Bill Gates, Andy Grove, Tom Friedman, John Chambers...). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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clearly the state wants to do better than the "minimum standard" as define by some musty old judicial opinion, so do parents. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:03 AM Flag
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You idiot. This is America. We have had good public schools which allowed immigrants to rise and which allowed the middle class to thrive. These are essential for this country. Giving children a "minimum" and a low minimum at that is a sure way to eventually turn the country into an oligarchy. Which would probably suit you just fine. Before you give your worthless punitive mean spirited opinions, try to know a little history and political science. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:28 AM Flag
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it's not that your child doesn't "deserve" a quality education, there are too many kids and not enough seats in the good/great schools in this city. it's a big problem. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:11 AM Flag
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Don't assume that your kid will not get a quality education just because the UB yentas haven't given your zoned school their seal of approval. Hell, even crappy schools can have great teachers. Get involved at the school. You will quickly figure out who are the better teachers and you can influence which class your kid is assigned to. You could also help the school in the process. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:16 AM Flag
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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And don't assume the converse either. Going to one of the UB-certified good schools, or even G&T is no guarantee of a great education for your kid either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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living in NYC and getting a top notch primary education do not go together. A few lucky kids get that. Many don't. If education is that important to you you have to move to some other place. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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I feel for you. back in the days, they let you take two bites at the apple -- the SB or the ERB. My dc had a nearly 20 point differential between the two but I was able to use the high score and dc got into G&T. It is crazy that one hour out of a 4 year old's life can have such an impact. good luck. stay involved and give your dc as much outside enrichment as you can. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:19 AM Flag
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I'm so sorry. I know other people in the same situation. It really stinks. The only thing I can suggest is that most gen eds (not all, but most) are okay for Kindergarten, giving you a year to reapply or think about a move. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:04 AM Flag
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What district? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:05 AM Flag
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Move to a better zone or go for a good Catholic or FA at a private. It's all about choices. Your child deserves quality education but it's no one's problem but yours to get it for them. You don't have the option to live wherever you want AND get a good placement AND have it be free, but you always have the option to get a good placement by moving in-zone or paying for it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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Why is it no one's problem but hers to get it for them? Every child should have access to a good quality education. This is what this country needs. This is what politicians at all levels should be focusing on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:35 AM Flag
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You need to immediately get into High Gear Advocacy mode for your kid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:14 AM Flag
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Every kid deserves a quality education -- yours no more than anyone else's [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:17 AM Flag
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and hers no less than anyone else either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:33 AM Flag
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OR: exactly. And plenty of those kids have to make do in gen ed schools besides the most sought-after ones. So if OP is "robbed," so are most of the families in the school system [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:38 AM Flag
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Sadly yes. Doesn't do much for the future of our society. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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in this country, kids are entitled to free public education. period. if you want more, then it is up to you. if you don't like what you have, advocate, get involved politically or look at other options (like private, catholic, etc). the system is what it is [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 10:29 AM Flag
[ - ] Boston/NYC moms: a single, straight, male coworker, 30yrs, is moving from NYC to Boston. Would like to get him a GC to somewhere. What's a good present to get to help him move to Boston? tnx 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.25.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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I'll sleep with him as a goodbye present.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:04 AM Flag
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I'm sure he needs it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:12 AM Flag
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I would go for Crate & Barrel. There are several of them around, easy to get to using the T, lots of basics as well as less-necessary items. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:20 AM Flag
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CB2 has really nice clean-lined glasses. Boys like drinks and drink-related things (in my experience). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:28 AM Flag
[ - ] I'm looking for really nice dress for my daughter. She's 3. Where to go? Online preferably. Thanks! 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:01 AM Flag
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chasing firelies has some really cute ones [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:05 AM Flag
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Garnett Hill or MiniBoden [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:05 AM Flag
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these, yes. or janie and jack. or wooden soldier. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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Papo d'Anjo, Best & Co. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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ebay' [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:35 AM Flag
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pumpkin patch has darling stuff. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:51 AM Flag
[ - ] What's the average per hour rate for a live-out nanny in NYC for 2 kids (2yr and a newborn). 50 hrs a week. 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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Expecting 06.25.08, 08:57 AM Flag
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For one you might be able to get away with $12, but for a 2yo and a newborn, I'm thinking at least $15. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:58 AM Flag
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