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[ - ] good friends is complaining about paying for after care for her dd. daughter was given a 95% scholarship to packer and she still wants them to pay for after care. i couldnt hold my tongue any longer. i told her i think she was being greedy. just pay for the after care so she will have peace of mind. 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:58 AM Flag
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if she has 95% scholarship, it is probably tough for her to afford aftercare, and she's just venting about how tight finances are [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:32 AM Flag
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After care at these schools is usually really expensive and they don't give 95% aid to people earning 200K, so it might be tough [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 09:25 AM Flag
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Lucky girl! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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you sound like a clueless jerk [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 10:35 AM Flag
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If she gets 95% financial aid, she has hardly any money. (I sit on a financial aid committee at another independent school, so I know the standards.) It is reasonable to ask them if they can extend her aid to cover after-care. It might be fine with them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 11:22 AM Flag
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If you can't afford the school, your kid doesn't belong there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 12:16 PM Flag
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ridiculous [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 01:37 PM Flag
[ - ] NYC -- what should we do today with a 3.5yo boy? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 07.04.08, 07:55 AM Flag
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^^and I'm 61/2 mo pg, so not too energized. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:56 AM Flag
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Central Park Zoo? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:20 AM Flag
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perp for ERB [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:21 AM Flag
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^^ or prep [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:21 AM Flag
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stay home, its crazy out there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 03:15 PM Flag
[ - ] Sorry, VBA, how cute... our 13mo dd and I were in a store yesterday, a clerk and I started talking and she turned to my dd and asked "And what is your name?" and she actually said it!! I had never heard her say her name in response to being asked. So crazy, we asked her again later and she said it again! :o) 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:48 AM Flag
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What part of that was veiled? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:48 AM Flag
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ditto [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:00 AM Flag
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what part of that was cute? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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Happy 4th! YOU are cute! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 05:11 PM Flag
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^^^oh, just kidding. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 05:11 PM Flag
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very cute. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:34 AM Flag
[ - ] How about keeping dc at TT until Junior year and rent a house in West Virginia for senior year to apply to colleges from that address? Sucks to apply from NYC, no? 27 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.04.08, 07:34 AM Flag
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No it doesn't. Out of 50 dcs at a TT in NYC almost half will go to ivy and a large majority of the rest of top ten schools, weigh those odds with a public [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:36 AM Flag
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I guess those kids from TT who didn't get into ivy (the other half) who might have had a better chance if they came from WV? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:37 AM Flag
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I doubt that, these schools have strong reputations and connections with all colleges, colleges seek out these dcs because they are far better educated and are guaranteed to shine, all the students are brokered not so with a public or even a private in WV [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:42 AM Flag
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I'm guessing a school cannot admit too many kids from one school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:48 AM Flag
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it can vary from year to year, esp if you keep in mind the number of legacies from certain prep and nyc schools [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:50 AM Flag
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np; I'm an Ivy alum but donate $0 and do not volunteer for anything. I don't think dc's legacy status will do anything, not even slightly, for her. There are legacies with buildings to donate, so... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:53 AM Flag
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i am referring to legs who are on parents cmtes, donate bldgs, etc. read the dan goldin book [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:55 AM Flag
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Price of Admission? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:57 AM Flag
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NP: it really has less to do with connections at college and more to do with how well prepared, how better prepared, even the poor students at TT privates are than their counterparts. HYP would not take multiple students from a single graduating class of 50 at one school if it didn't mean those dcs were probably their best bet for absolute success [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:20 AM Flag
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You would be wrong. Out of average 50 dcs in graduating class multiples will go to ivy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:01 AM Flag
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I know. Say 20 will go to ivy, but not 40 out of 50. I'm talking about those kids in the bottom half of the class, not top half. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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middle will go to great schools williams amherst stanford MIT, johns hopkins, U of chicago those are the schools the remainder will go to and then bottom half is always serviced by connections, there are c students accepted to top 20 colleges or top liberal arts programs just because a C at a TT school is far better than an A or a B at a gen ed public anywhere else [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:07 AM Flag
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Ivy is not always the best option or education. Let your kid decide what he/she wants [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:54 AM Flag
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Why would you do that just as dc is rounding off second year of all AP classes? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:45 AM Flag
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we are just going to buy a home in mississippi and use it as our mailing address. figure, you can buy a trailer for 30k, way cheaper than using a college admissions consultant [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:48 AM Flag
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joking? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:49 AM Flag
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maybe [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:50 AM Flag
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What about school transcripts? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:53 AM Flag
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oh, the plan is to keep dc in current school. admittedly, I am ttc so I have a few years to work out the details [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:54 AM Flag
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I wonder if a Staten Island address might do the trick. The borough is under-represented at NYC private schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:59 AM Flag
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you apply from a HS, not an address, so unless you're willing to have DC attend senior year of HS in appalachia, colleges will know he's no Jon Boy and she's no Mary Ellen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:00 AM Flag
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That's what I mean. In my public HS, we got a few Private school kids who transferred in for senior year. They all got into Ivy. They weren't the type to knock your socks off, but good enough students. Wondered if they faced tougher competition at privates (class ranking or whatever). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:03 AM Flag
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They most likely were kicked out [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:04 AM Flag
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They didn't have behavioral issues. They weren't stupid either. Got around 1350-1400 on SATs (back when 1600 was limit) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:06 AM Flag
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yes, kicked out for academics. a failing dc at a top nyc private school will coast and do incredibly well at a public school elsewhere so either they get thrown out of parents realize there grades will be impressive in the last year and it may be their only shot [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:08 AM Flag
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alternative explanation is that parents needed to save $s for college [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:40 AM Flag
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Ivies don't usually accept more than 10-12 from any one school, even Andover or Exeter which are considered "feeder" schools to Harvard don't send much more than that because colleges want diversity of every form. Top colleges, whether Ivy or not, want kids with good grades plus distinctive qualities - Ivies want future leaders in all fields from sciences, politics, arts et al (plus future big earners, who will also give back). If your kid is average, regardless of what schools they attend, they will go to an average college. If they are exceptional, regardless of what high school, or legacy status or parents' income bracket, they stand a better chance at a top college. It's very simple. It's not just about scores or school names. It's the kid, stupid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 09:12 AM Flag
[ - ] my son had a fever. and now he has a few sores in his mouth. he also has a rash on his arms and legs, teeny bumps. looks more like heat rash. but the sores in the mouth -- any ideas? he is not cranky and is eating and drinking... 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 07.04.08, 07:30 AM Flag
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Sounds like Hand, Foot and Mouth. Google it and see if he has the symptoms. Hope he feels better soon. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:36 AM Flag
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if he does have it, it must be a very mild case. do i have to take him to the dr? does he have to go on meds? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:38 AM Flag
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I am no Dr so I'd hate to give advice that might do your son harm. If it was my dc I think I'd watch closely and call the Dr if it got worse or seemed to be troubling him. GL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:42 AM Flag
[ - ] When you choose which ongoings to apply to, how do you weigh different factors? Academics 50% (traditional vs progressive, college exmissions), Non-academic factors 50% (such as diversity, community, emotional/mental health, etc.)? Asking because it seems some people assume decisions are made based on just one or two factors. 18 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.04.08, 07:26 AM Flag
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>oh, and SS vs Coed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:26 AM Flag
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Apply to ones you like and pray chances are you won't have a choice [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:34 AM Flag
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There are 60 privates (or more). If you want to narrow the list, you have to think about these things. Even if to narrow down to 10. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:35 AM Flag
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Most are the same, I would say there are 15 that are the same [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:37 AM Flag
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You mean, people apply to the same 15 schools? i don't understand this bec there are 60 schools+ and they are all filled. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:38 AM Flag
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I mean all of these rating stuff and 'tt' stuff you cannot lose with about 15 of the privates no matter what tier they are supposed to be [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:43 AM Flag
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Even if you decide to apply to all 6 TTs (for a girl and 4 TTs for a boy), PSD still wants you to apply to 3 or 5 more. And, I just can't imagine people applying purely based on exmissions or academics alone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:46 AM Flag
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So visit and choose but if you want a great academic program the top 15 are great. And look, these schools produce very much the same kind of dc this progressive vs traditional stuff is just the way a schools PR differentiates itself, or tries to, but we all turn out very similarly [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:04 AM Flag
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In addition to 7 TTs, what other 8 schools make the top 15? St Anns, St B, Nightingale, CSH, Marymount, St D, ECFS, Riverdale?? I do think kids from traditional vs progressive schools are diff. Maybe SAT scores are similar but the way they approach things... I didn't go to progressive school, but my friend who has is diff from me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:09 AM Flag
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I am just speaking from experience, we all turned out very much the same. and yes that would be a fair list [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:10 AM Flag
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we wanted traditional, small, open to coed or ss but wanted religious affiliation. we also liked k-8 schools too. we also wanted a place where we felt dc would thrive and be happy. finally, we wanted a place where we were comfortable too [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:45 AM Flag
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Did you only apply to the schools that fit the bill? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:51 AM Flag
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yes, only applied to 2 schools, though toured 6. dc got into both and is at one of them now in lower school. will be going through process this year with 2nd dc [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:53 AM Flag
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Applied to only 2 schools? is Dc diverse? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:56 AM Flag
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no. no connections, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:58 AM Flag
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This is where a family with experience at a school may be able to give helpful information. For example, I have dc at Grace, which has an exchange program with schools in Japan, China and India. This is remarkable for a preK-8 school. Also, many Grace students participate in the Grace Church boys and girls choirs, which is an amazing program. When we applied for the first time, I didn't know about either of these programs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:36 AM Flag
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we wanted one that would accept our kid and give us money [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 09:06 AM Flag
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Yes, I think everyone has their list - we wanted coed. that limits it considerably. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 09:39 AM Flag
[ - ] Have been finding 6-sided tiny "cubes" in playgrounds. Seem to have a tiny beed in them. My kids tell me these are the new jacks. Anyone know what these are? Is there a new game? thanks. 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:19 AM Flag
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OMG. Stay away from those! They trigger the phytochemical reaction in the plants that make people kill themselves. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:21 AM Flag
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lol [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:22 AM Flag
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Don't all cubes have 6 sides? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:25 AM Flag
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Not in the 8th dimension. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:26 AM Flag
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Nanu, nanu. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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I have trouble understanding this post. ??? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:29 AM Flag
[ - ] I think for most women, the resistance to wearing hose is that it's uncomfortable because they're too chubby. If they were in shape, it wouldn't be an issue. 10 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:12 AM Flag
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ITD--as a chubby girl I love hose because they hold everything in place. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:21 AM Flag
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np: Seriously. The ONLY time I will wear pantyhose is if I'm feeling bloated from PMS - sucks everything in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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I think they are just airless. Stockings are so much more comfy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:21 AM Flag
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Skinny hose hater here. Just don't like how they feel. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:48 AM Flag
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I wear them happily in cooler months. Couldn't pay me to wear them on a humid summer day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:50 AM Flag
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skinny girl. i hate hose because they're ugly and way too 70s and 80s. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:58 AM Flag
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how about they're not pretty and lead to crotch sweat. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:19 AM Flag
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thank you, all knowing hose monitor. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:55 AM Flag
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lol [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:56 AM Flag
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Oh come one, I definitely qualify as thin, and I hate them b/c they're so uncomfortable. And even for a thin person, that thing around the waist is uncomfortable. Sort of like what it must have felt like to wear a corset back in the old days. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:44 PM Flag
[ - ] DCs whoare going to G&T K in September? Is he/she already reading? I will start. My DS is interested in reading but can't read. Enjoy listening parents read for him. 11 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.04.08, 07:07 AM Flag
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LOL, I read as Dc whore. Sorry... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:11 AM Flag
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DD, read may be 15 words. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:34 AM Flag
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DS is totally normal. Let him enjoy listening, and when he's ready he'll enjoy learning to read. Don't make it a chore. It's not a competition, he's right on track, and you're doing him a favor by reading him books he enjoys. That's exactly the right way to go about it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:38 AM Flag
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My DD is the same. I [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:18 AM Flag
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You mean same as OP? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:26 AM Flag
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DD has been reading since about 3 months after her 4th birthday. We are reading the Junie B. Jones books. She can make most of it out, but I do help her sometim es. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:30 AM Flag
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NO ONE and I repeat, NO ONE cares if a child can read when entering K. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 09:40 AM Flag
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Thank you, although some parents do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 09:57 AM Flag
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^^^ and they shouldn't [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 09:58 AM Flag
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My ds can't read yet, either. He can pick out a few small words, but is not that interested in learning yet. Loves to look at books and be read to, though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 10:16 AM Flag
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My dd reads on 2nd grade level. We spent much time teaching her but she wanted to learn too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 12:14 PM Flag
[ - ] what are the signs/symptoms one has with a dermoid cyst? I mean b4 an ultrasound is done to detect one...TIA 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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I think it's the same as with any cyst. Some people have no symptoms. Other people having bloating, pain on one side, heavy periods with cramps. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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thanks! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:03 AM Flag
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Friend had one removed a few years ago, got pregnant first month she tried last year (if you were worried). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:04 AM Flag
[ - ] How many DCs were accepted to Nest for 1, 2nd grade for September? 12 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.04.08, 06:50 AM Flag
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anyone? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:36 AM Flag
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I heard they add 1 class at 1st grade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 10:36 AM Flag
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General Topics 07.04.08, 01:29 PM Flag
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maybe 4-5 kids? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 02:16 PM Flag
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um...that would be 28 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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you heard wrong. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 08:32 AM Flag
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must be D6 mom again. first she starts a witchhunt at anderson, asking about the 1st grade kids accepted. now she is starting with nest. she is trying to build her case, but everyone keeps giving her bad info. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 03:16 PM Flag
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So. Can anbody be helpful? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 03:21 PM Flag
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nope. I call for a moratorium on you. you sound quite nuts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 03:22 PM Flag
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np: private mom here. What is wrong about OP asking this question. I am sorry but I can't help OP. Don't know anything about public. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 03:29 PM Flag
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she is a nut who feels her dc got screwed. she has posted untrue rumors about schools and the kids accepted to them. who knows where she is getting this stuff from (other than UB, where I suspect people are yanking her chain). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 03:34 PM Flag
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nnp: true. there is a poser out there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 04:06 PM Flag
[ - ] am i the only one here ? Helloooooooooo 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:46 AM Flag
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Nope, you and I! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:47 AM Flag
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^^and I have to go, sorry! Have a great 4th! :o) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:48 AM Flag
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Now you're leaving ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:50 AM Flag
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I'm here too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:08 AM Flag
[ - ] SIL and new BIL about to have a baby. They pay for nothing, live in an illegal rent-control, and now are asking us to provide crib, changing table, etc etc. I do not need them (and don't think I will) but it "sticks in my craw". Get over it, right ? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:43 AM Flag
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eh, we have family like this. they won't change, it's not worth the mental stress it gives you. As my dear, put upon nana would say, giving them the stuff earns you another star in your crown in heaven. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:47 AM Flag
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DH says similaar. I guess I do need to be - as so many women here would scream - non-judgemental and hand the stuff over with a smile. Somehting about their sense of entitlement and if it's mine it's theirs is difficult though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:49 AM Flag
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oh, don't get me wrong. feel free to be judgemental. i certainly am about my deadbeat cousin. But I've accepted that i can't change the situation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:53 AM Flag
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np: It's impossible to get through to people like that. Withholding the items would only cause tension, they'd completely miss the point. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:54 AM Flag
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Ugh. They need to abolish these crazy rent-control laws. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:54 AM Flag
[ - ] If you don't like your zoned school, didn't get g&t, lost all the lotteries, and can't afford parochial or private, is it OK to embezzle money in order to pay for a private education? Remember, when your child's education is at stake, everything is OK, right? No, seriously, I want someone out there to explain to me why it is more OK to lie and cheat into an unzoned seat, than it is to steal money to pay for a private seat. I just can't wait to see how the justifiers (whom we all know did it themselves) explain this one. When replying, please don't use the excuse that it doesn't cost anyone anything when you lie your way into an unzoned school. The "desirable" publics tend to have high levels of fundraising from the wealthy zoned parents, which money is then divided over a greater populaton when it includes the kids whose parents snuck them in. 26 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.04.08, 06:29 AM Flag
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I'll bite. My dc's attend a school that has kids who use false addresses to attend. There is also a great deal of fundraising from parents. I never cared that the kids parents used false addresses. Frankly...they were parents who were motivated to get the best for their kids. They got their kids to school on time, had them do their homework, participated in fundraisers. They were terrific members of the school community and their kids benefitted from a quality education. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:21 AM Flag
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np: It's irrelevant that they were valued members of the school community. They didn't belong there. If you falsified high school transcripts, SAT scores, and teacher recs and got into Stanford...you would be wrong. Regardless of how you performed at Stanford. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:25 AM Flag
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No, it's not irrelevant. They were parents who seek the best for their kids. They couldn't afford to move to the zone, but used grandma's zoned address. It's a microcosm of the illegal immigration debate...they come to better their lot in life, albeit illegally. If they are contributing to society, do they have value? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:29 AM Flag
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Everyone has value. But the best thing for kids is to have parents they can use as a moral compass. NOT parents who teach them, "Get what you want, what's best for you, no matter what you have to do to get it." Minor differences in educational quality, should be secondary to a firm foundation in character development. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:32 AM Flag
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NNP: I really disagree that anyone who wants the best for their kids teaches those kids that it's okay to lie to get what you want. Terrible example. If the parents were really concerned, they should have chosen a zone with a decent school that they could afford--they do exist. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:34 AM Flag
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NNNP: ITA. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:34 AM Flag
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It would really be best for my kids to take private swimming lessons. But I can't afford them. So I'll use a stranger's credit card number. I'm bettering their lives, and they will contribute to society later on when they're lifeguards, so it's all OK, right? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:34 AM Flag
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nnp: I think you make a good point here. I wouldn't falsify an address myself, but I would also try hard not to judge those who do. Every circumstance is different, and while cheating is cheating, I believe to some degree in moral relativism. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:34 AM Flag
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I do too--believe in moral relativism. Which is why I believe something you do for survival is OK. But education is not survival. Even then, relatively, if you were in Africa and had to lie to get any education at all, maybe that would be relatively OK. But getting a moderately better education is not morally relatively OK, in the scale of the world's moral issues. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:36 AM Flag
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Exactly. If you have to lie in order to feed your family, that's one thing. This is something else. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:39 AM Flag
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But I WANT it? Isn't that a good enough reason? I mean really. This is America! I should have anything I want, regardless of where I live or what I can afford. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:24 AM Flag
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Or how it affects anyone else. It's all about me, me, me. Or rather mini-me, mini-me, mini-me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:30 AM Flag
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np. Keep your bald-headed dwarf out of it! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:38 AM Flag
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LOL! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:41 AM Flag
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:) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:59 AM Flag
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What you're really objecting to is that families (and I'm thinking of those with truly limited means) get their children a better quality education by using a false address. It has to be that, because it can't be about public tax dollars since high performing schools actually get LESS in per-pupil funding than low performing ones that get more federal money in addition to city/state funding. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:39 AM Flag
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Not tax dollars. Fundraising dollars. And overcrowded rooms mean less resources per child. It's rarely those of truly limited means doing this, by the way. It's the entitled middle classes who turn up their noses at adequate schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:42 AM Flag
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And your point is? If the high-performing schools get less in per-pupil funding, then overcrowding hurts them even more. So the more kids that fake their way in, the more strapped they get. So the fact that they get fewer tax dollars per child mean that people should be even more pissed about the cheaters. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:44 AM Flag
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NP: I'm a teacher (on leave now) and the kids in my classes who got there unfairly have always been from relatively well-to-do families (who usually tell me they've used someone else's address). My other kids from outside the zone who are truly disadvantaged got there legally by appealing through NCLB. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:44 AM Flag
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Fair enough, but at the school I'm thinking of, those who've used relatives addresses are working class or on public assistance, and no, it hasn't bothered me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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It bothers me because it's not a good situation for the kids. If they live outside the zone, it's harder for them to have friends at the school and the commute can be arduous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:50 AM Flag
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^^This in addition to the general dishonesty. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:51 AM Flag
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In the situations I'm thinking of, the commutes were probably less than those of kids who travel to G&T or private schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:54 AM Flag
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I did not do it myself. But you could argue that it is public school, which is supposed to give all equal access to equal education. It has failed and you can't blame people for trying to get what their dc deserves. We all pay taxes, but not all are equally served by the public system [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:57 AM Flag
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That's the fairest way I've ever seen expressed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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I undestand why the schools sytem allows fundraising, but I really think they shouldn't--or if they do, the money should be split across all schools in the city. I think there is something wrong with a neighborhood esentially being able to buy into a public school and then enhance it in order to make sure their children get a better education than others in the system. They should create their own privates if that's what they want to do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 10:23 AM Flag
[ - ] dd just turned 1yo. Seriously how soon do I need to research schools/preschools? Friends have me worried that I should have done the research already and put her on a few waiting lists? Is it really that bad. We live in Licoln Square and are Catholic and St. Ben's is our parish so we can always go this route. Any advice for moms that have BTDT? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:28 AM Flag
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There are no waiting lists, only application process you are fine [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:30 AM Flag
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You apply in the year before you want your dc to start. I applied when my son was 2yo for him to go to preschool and many people don't start that early. Don't worry. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:11 AM Flag
[ - ] Had my wisdom teeth removed this week and have barely eaten for 4 days. Thought surely I would shed a few pounds, but got on the scale and I actually GAINED a pound. How the hell did that happen??? I am so frustrated! 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:21 AM Flag
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If you aren't eating much maybe your system has slowed down and you aren't 'passing' as much as usual. Hope you feel better soon. Wisdom teeth removal sucks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 07:17 AM Flag
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