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[ - ] Is 3 years old too old for Music Together? Also have a 10 month old, and was thinking of signing both of them up for the same class. 24 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:55 PM Flag
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I think a class for a 10 month old is absurd [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:56 PM Flag
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He'll be a year when it starts, and he LOVES music. Thought it might be a fun outing once a week. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:00 PM Flag
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Americans have too much money [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:00 PM Flag
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np so what you mean is that you think OP has more $$ than you do [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:02 PM Flag
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That is not what I meant at all. I meant Americans have too much money. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:02 PM Flag
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LOL! riiiight. Jealous Jenny on board! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:04 PM Flag
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:05 PM Flag
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define "too much money" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:06 PM Flag
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In all honesty, I have no desire to argue with you tonight. It looks like you are intent on picking a fight. Have a good one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:07 PM Flag
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Ok OK. Yes I was a little harsh at first. Now I am seriously curious. How would you define too much money? To some people that would be "more than I have". To others that would be "they buy things I think are stupid" etc Just wondering [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:09 PM Flag
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Not right now - we're in a recession and a mortgage crisis. The dollar is the weakest it's ever been. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:14 PM Flag
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technically, we aren't in a recession. And the economy is struggling but that doesn't mean some people still have lot's of money [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:16 PM Flag
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^^meant some people still have lot's of $$ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:17 PM Flag
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mortgage crisis or not (the vast majority of people in the world don't own homes) - Americans are ridiculously wealthy compared to the world population. It's practically a no brainer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:18 PM Flag
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and there you go casting aspersions on americans again. "ridiculously". Would you feel better if we all were miserable and poor? I don't get this sttitude [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:19 PM Flag
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huh? It was my first response. And what are you talking about in the latter part of your post? Who said anything about wishing we were all poor? What is with you lady? I'll take a cue from above. Have a nice night. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:21 PM Flag
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LOL! Oh c'mon and play! I won't hurt you! I'm just trying to understand (ok and being a little snotty in the process) but I don't understand what is so negative about americans being wealthy. We are a nation of hard workers and innovators. Of course we are weatlhy. What's wrong with that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:24 PM Flag
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^^ok. nobody wants to play. I'm going to bed. Don't be afriad of us capitalists. We make the world go around (and contribute tons to charity BTW to help all those poor people in other countries while we are at it) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:28 PM Flag
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ita. i tried music together at 15 months and it was a total waste. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:10 PM Flag
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I tried it once w/ both kids. DS spent the whole time looking at the door stops or the legs of the folding tables off to the side. DD liked it fine. But I can't stand the music, so I didn't go back. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:18 PM Flag
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I took my baby and two older kids to Music Together. It was hard when you are supposed to walk around or dance with the kids to have more thatn one, but it was okay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:25 PM Flag
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Doesn't the music make you crazy though? I mean, I get that they're supposed to hear the beats, and what ever. But it could actually be good music sung by someone with a good voice, not old Yvonne. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:28 PM Flag
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my dd is 15 mos and LOVES music for aardvarks. I hate MT...the songs are horrible [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:23 PM Flag
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I started dd at about 1 yo in Music for Aardvarks, it was great & fun for us both. We'd play the CD at home and do the dances, sing the songs. She still remembers and loves at 3yo and would go & enjoy herself but when she started with pre-school we stopped the classes, too expensive. I would do it for sure. You get a discount for two. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:28 PM Flag
[ - ] which pharmacy has best prices on fertility meds? 0 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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TTC 07.16.08, 06:53 PM Flag
[ - ] so mad, upset, confused right now. my 2 kids aged 2 and 7, were at my inlaws for couple hrs today, my oldest was making the little one cry, they were fighting, running around, and my mil grabbed a wooden spoon and tried hitting my oldest in the butt, oldest tried running away and she accidently got hit in the wrist. when dh went to pick them up, and found what happened he yelled at his mother. my oldest came home crying telling me what happened, i spoke to dh and all he said to me was, she needed, it. am i overreacting, what would you do? 20 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 07.16.08, 06:47 PM Flag
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I wouldn't do anything. I see nothing wrong with a swat on the butt with a wooden spoon by grandma. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:49 PM Flag
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If that's how your MIL chooses to discipline in her house, that's her business. Either your children will behave, or they'll get the spoon! It's harsh, but it's their house, their rules, their discipline. I would personally never spank my child. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:49 PM Flag
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my grandmother make me pick my own switch. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:50 PM Flag
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sounds like you need to haeva talk with the ILs about how you want your kids disciplined by them. Even if you spank, you can ask caregivers not to. I think you need to be very straioghtforward about this and tell IL's that is not acceptable [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:50 PM Flag
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np I say grandmas house, grandmas rules. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:51 PM Flag
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on most things I do too. My MIL does many things differently than I do. I don't want someone else hitting my kid though. I haven't ruled out spanking as a tool, but I want me or DH to be the ones to decide when and how it will be done [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:53 PM Flag
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ah, it was a swat with a spoon. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:54 PM Flag
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I understand that. I don't like my kid being hit in anger though or swatted. I want spanking to be done for certain really big things, nit just everyday things like teasing a sibling. For that kind of thing, she can separate them or put her in time out etc. Just me though [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:56 PM Flag
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I've never asked my mom, but I strongly suspect she would laugh at the idea of a time out. I KNOW my grandmother would. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:58 PM Flag
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not trying to argue, just sharing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:58 PM Flag
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^^me too. I know there are various ideas about this. You are being respectful and not flaming so I have no problem talking about it ;-) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:00 PM Flag
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LOL! I know things were different way back when. A caregiver should respect the wishes of the parent though. I don't like the idea of a kid being swatted in anger like that or hit with an implement. I'm not an anti spanking nazi, but I think it should be done right and sparingly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:59 PM Flag
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I don't consider grandma a caregiver. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:02 PM Flag
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really? I think anyone who takes care of your kid, even once in awhile, is a caregiver and should be expected to follow some rules. Now I think it's grandparent's place to spoil the grandkids some - let them stay up late and eat cookies etc. But Spanking is another thing altogether IMHO [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:05 PM Flag
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Grandma has a much more honorable position in our life than "caregiver". [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:06 PM Flag
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LOL! But she still cares for the kids. My point is, anyone who watches, looks after whatever, the kids, should be more or less on the same page as the parents if at all possible OP was upset about this so I think she should talk to g'ma. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:08 PM Flag
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I disagree with this one, I think its great for dc to learn different people have different rules and ways. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:10 PM Flag
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and I completely agree with you on that, right up to the point where my kid gets spanked with a wooden spoon by someone who is not her parent. I just think that is over the line. For me anyway, and sounds like for OP too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:11 PM Flag
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he yelled at his mother already. but then, it's her house. kids will know that grandma won't let them get away with it again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:51 PM Flag
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that is what I was thinking, but didn't post. Wait and see if they behave next time and if they do - say thank you! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:52 PM Flag
[ - ] Supernanny: why is the little girl in a wheelchair? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:44 PM Flag
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was wondering that myself...just tuned in [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:01 PM Flag
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cerebal palsy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:16 PM Flag
[ - ] theoretically; let's say you have a choice to go to a private hospital, or one that is run by the city. which would you choose? or renting an apartment; nyc housing, or private ownership? 10 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.16.08, 06:44 PM Flag
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I don't know where this is going, but I'd go with part public and part private places. I live in such a building now and really like it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:47 PM Flag
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i agree with you. where i'm going -- and many will disagree -- is that neither the city nor private entities are perfect at managing operations. but the city can be lousy in many regards. which leads into the doe. think they're lousy and wish they were better. i'd choose private over public any day for my self, my health or housing -- but dc will have to settle for a city public. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:51 PM Flag
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Depends on what was wrong with me. I would rather have orthopedic surgery at HSS than any public hospital. But if I got sick in the tropics, I'd be at Bellevue. I don't qualify for public housing, so that is a non-issue. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:49 PM Flag
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My understanding is that some city hospitals have good trauma wards. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:13 PM Flag
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That's such a loaded question. How about public vs. private police? Drug regulation? Public all the way - too many hidden agendas in private - same for schools. For schools, I'd rather go to public rather than private not just because they might be run as a more efficient business model; I send my kids to public school because I prefer the values of the more economically and socially/ethnically diverse population rather than that of private school. At well-run public schools, I believe my kids are getting an all-around better education as people, even if some classroom lessons might not always be as strong or varied. They have plenty of time to fill in during their college years for specializing. They're getting a great public education. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 05:29 AM Flag
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If it was a trama situation, definately the public hospital. And every doctor I know tells me this. In NYC, if you are in a major accident, you want to go to Bellview. It's the best for trama. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 06:36 AM Flag
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Having worked in both private and public, I would definitely choose private hospital for better nursing care and amenities. However, if I was hit by a car, I would prefer public hospital trauma center. If I had no health insurance, I would go to a public hospital, but choose carefully for a better one associated with a good academic medical center, where medical care will be just as good as in private, but with much less frills. Obviously, I would prefer to own my own home for financial reasons, but would rent from NYC housing if in a decent neigborhood and dirt cheap. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 06:41 AM Flag
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As with public vs. private schools, often the choice is not ours to make, whether or not we can afford private. With hospitals, those run by the city are generally better for trauma, and proximity is a factor in an emergency. With housing, there are still some subsidized projects that are great, but most have gone market rate unless you're really low income and/or have a legit spot. All NYC rentals are governed by rent regulations. For schools, you may have a terrific zoned school, or DC may test into a terrific selective public. If you can afford and get accepted to private school, your child can be dismissed at any time for any reason. In public, once you're in, you're in. DC can't be "counseled out," except in extreme circumstances that require the DOE to prove that DC needs to be transferred, and even then, they must transfer DC to another school. If DC is "counseled out" of private, or you fail to make tuition payments, DC is just out on the street. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 09:06 AM Flag
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would you take a rent controlled apt if you could get one or not?? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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Paging Charles Rangel... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 03:37 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone looking for a nanny? 0 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:43 PM Flag
[ - ] how far along were you 0 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:42 PM Flag
[ - ] looking to buy a swing for baby #2 - why is ocean wonders so $$? it's $300! What about the rainsforest one for $120? what is the huge difference between them? I can't find details of the first one online...thanks 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:41 PM Flag
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I got the Rainforest take along as a gift. I never would have bought it. As it turns out, ds hated the swing and would never tolerate it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:42 PM Flag
[ - ] I am on the brink of divorce, stay at home Mom and live in NJ, anyone ever gone through divorce in NJ?? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:39 PM Flag
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Well I hear it's easier than in NY, because my lawyer at one point, suggested I move there and file! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:40 PM Flag
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wow, I keep hearing that it's especially hard for women [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:42 PM Flag
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I am so afriad that he will decide to take credit cards, empty the bank account. I don't want to start WWIII by taking money out of our accounts but I don't want to be left high and dry either [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:43 PM Flag
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np: It doesn't matter. If you take the money or he does, it will still be considered a marital asset. Worst case, if one of you empties the bank account and tries to hide the money, the other gets a forensic accountant to track it down. With AML/KYC laws what they are today, it is pretty hard to hide money without offshoring it. And offshoring has gotten much harder too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:46 PM Flag
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Why hard for women? How do the laws favor men? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:46 PM Flag
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If you go to NJ state website and look up divorce, you can learn the facts about divorce and the laws in your state. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:42 PM Flag
[ - ] 36 wks prego and trying to decide whether or not to circumcise my son, considering the sexual implications... and BTDT? 16 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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imo, i think you should circumcise, but know that a lot of times the OB does it, and our ob did our sons and think he messed it up [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:37 PM Flag
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my ped was impressed by OB's 'work', in his opinion OB's are more used to surgery so have better execution of the deed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:05 PM Flag
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ditto! senior ob resident did it...i was worried but turned out great! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:07 PM Flag
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36 weeks as well, we decided we will circumcise. Got tons of flames on UB for this, because my husband did have more of a say in it because I never thought of it either way, and he was adament about wanting it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:39 PM Flag
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I circumcised. But if you are not sure, don't do it. You can always circumcise later. But reversing a circumcision is more difficult and takes much more time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:40 PM Flag
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when? you can't wait too long!!! I know someone who had to have their little boy's circumcision "redone" b/c they didn't take off enough the first time. Apparently it wasn't so easy to bring him back in, for her or for him (and this was a years later...) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:40 PM Flag
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I told DH he should decide that one [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:43 PM Flag
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We didn't. figured that ds could make the decision for himself later - and the sexual partners he chooses or the sexual "benefits" were really not a considertaion in our decision to us, kwim? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:44 PM Flag
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i had an uncir'd partner, kind of grossed me out actually. i kept wondering what kind of stuff was fermenting in that enclosed humid foreskin all day. one would like to think a guy would practice good hygiene, but i've never come across one. i think circumcision might have come as a necessity cuz men are SOOO lazy, even about their own maintenance. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:09 PM Flag
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omg [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:12 PM Flag
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I'm the dad below- how do you feel about men's tongues? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:17 PM Flag
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a dh: I'm circ'ed. Neither of my sons were at birth but #2 had to be at 6 months. (He hydronephrosis and a megaureter and was getting UTIs. If a male has a healthy urinary tract, this is a non-issue.) It is no where near as big a deal for the kids as we parents make it for ourselves/each other. My $.02: If you have a strong religious or personal opinion --do it and never look back. Otherwise, don't bother. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:55 PM Flag
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ITTTTA, dh is circ'd and said no way for the boys. No way. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:42 PM Flag
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my dh is and our ds is not too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 08:34 PM Flag
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Don't do it, don't do it, I'm going to bed now, but DO NOT do it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:42 PM Flag
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Thank you for considering your son's future as an sexual adult. You are to be commended. Being intact will matter to him AND to his sexual partners a LOT - and for the positive. See http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/ for the fuller story -and from a woman's point of view. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.23.08, 08:17 PM Flag
[ - ] I only want to apply for coed for my dd. Can you name 8-10 coeds we should apply to this fall? TIA. Prefer Manhattan only. 25 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 07.16.08, 06:32 PM Flag
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perhaps you should just ask your staff to do the research for you and deliver the memo in the morning. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:53 PM Flag
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WTF? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:54 PM Flag
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we did this: Trinity, Dalton, ECFS, CGPS, cathedral, Bank Street, Trevor. You might add Riverdale and HM, although we did not want ot go out of manhattan for lower school, and wanted to stay uptown. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:56 PM Flag
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Thank you for a serious answer! Where is the dc at and are you happy? BTW, I don't understand why they segregate the sexes in the lower grades. HS, I can see, but. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:09 PM Flag
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Got into into 3, chose one and ended up at anderson. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:29 PM Flag
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I would add taking a look at Manhattan Country School, Calhoun, St Hilda's, Metropolitan Montessori, Birch Wathen Lenox, Mandell for uptown coed schools. And do Friends, St Luke's, LREI, Grace and UNIS for downtown. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:35 PM Flag
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agree with MCS. some also like Town. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:37 PM Flag
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Yes, forgot about Town [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:56 PM Flag
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FWIW, a few of these have preschools or pre-Ks, so very few spots for K. These schools are: MCS, Bank St., Calhoun, Met Montessori, and SHSH. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:38 PM Flag
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also ecfs and cgps, but still have spots at K [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 08:34 PM Flag
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CGPS doesn't have a preschool or pre-K, as far as I know [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 08:38 PM Flag
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yes, it does. mostly sibs. also requires erbs for it. one of the few. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 04:24 AM Flag
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Town also has a preK, but they add about 20 additional spots for K (although some of those spots are still taken by sibs). Trevor has a preK, too, but adds 30 spots for K (again, some spots taken by sibs). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 07:19 AM Flag
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I'd add SHSH, Cathedral, UNIS and maybe Dwight or Calhoun [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:36 PM Flag
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This is a good list (though I continue to maintain that Trinity is a waste of time). I would add Town, and Friends if OP is willing to travel that far south. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 06:03 AM Flag
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also, you might want to consider The School at Columbia. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 06:39 AM Flag
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Only if she lives in district 3 or 5, or works for Columbia [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 06:40 AM Flag
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You have t be chosen by lottery first. About a 5% chance. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 08:47 AM Flag
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hijack: is it a good school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 08:49 AM Flag
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Yes, but it is new and has a very ambitious mission, so everything doesn't run as smoothly as in more established schools [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 08:57 AM Flag
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Are you a parent there? Could you tell me more about the school? I would love to learn about it ! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 09:02 AM Flag
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Do you prefer progressive or more traditional education for your child? Do you care if schools have a religious affiliation? Do you prefer uptown or downtown? There are no independent schools in midtown, for some reason. Are you OK with K-8 schools? If not, your choices for coed are much more limited. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 05:17 AM Flag
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I would definitely look at Claremont downtown. We are headed elsewhere but we were really impressed with the school and would have definitely taken a spot if we hadn't gotten a spot at our FC. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 05:23 AM Flag
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Hi, Dana! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 06:03 AM Flag
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What a mature response. You really think it's impossible that I could have genuinely liked the school? You seem like a very open-minded person. Enjoy the day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 06:08 AM Flag
[ - ] any recommendation for designers that have good XS/petite cloth lines? I am less then 5'3 and have not found really good designers that carry my size. 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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BEBE, everything is extra small to begin with! [ Reply | More
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