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[ - ] Anyone here with kids in private school? Doesn't it break your heart to think you will spend $403,000 after taxes on school before college..that's $671,000 before tax.. and then when you factor in college tuition..%603,000 and $1,005,000 before taxes. 25 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 06.01.08, 08:08 PM Flag
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My dc is in public school. Saving for college. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:08 PM Flag
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breaks my wallet and sanity. not my heart. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:09 PM Flag
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Do you work? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:11 PM Flag
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yes. I'm an attorney. what does that have to do with anything? weird that you would think that someone who works would have a more emotional response to tuition than someone who doesn't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:33 PM Flag
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OP An dby the way, I have 2 kids so that would mean $2,010,000. Can you tell I work in Finance? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:10 PM Flag
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why aren't you in bed. markets will be volatile this week and you should be alert when the markets open tomorrow [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:11 PM Flag
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if you still have a job;) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:13 PM Flag
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goodnight. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:18 PM Flag
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So send dcs to public [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:12 PM Flag
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No because I work really hard, saved a lot and my parents as well as grandparents help out. thinking of prep school for DS and this is more than private school in Manhattan [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:13 PM Flag
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A million dollars? I went to boarding school. Definitely not worth the money. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:16 PM Flag
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How old is your ds? And do you mean boarding school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:17 PM Flag
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yes but it costs so much less to feed them when they're in Vermont. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:32 PM Flag
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blah blah. lots of things break my heart, most of them nothing to do w/money spent. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:17 PM Flag
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guessing you dont work right now either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:18 PM Flag
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guessing wrong. I'm a single mom by choice, no dh in the picture to provide any $ relief or time relief on weekends. I also work as a school teacher. I just am smarter and deeper thinker than you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:23 PM Flag
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How very profound [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:50 PM Flag
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i'm not spending nearly that much to send to private school. doesn't break my heart at all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:21 PM Flag
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FA or someone else paying the bill? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:33 PM Flag
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parochial. it's much cheaper. otoh, i have more than one kid. so maybe i am spending that much. i don't really care to add it up. i think the number will shock me. but no regrets about it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:40 PM Flag
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Got it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:44 PM Flag
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i can't figure out why this would break your heart. might b e shocking. but you should also figure out how much time you spend sitting on the toilet. now that is shocking. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:26 PM Flag
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No one would care if you spent that amount of money on an apartment. Isn't education more important than real estate? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 03:51 AM Flag
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ITA...really good observation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 04:34 AM Flag
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If you do the after tax pv, then the difference is what you should be willing to pay extra, in cash right now, for an apt in nabe with a great school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 04:41 AM Flag
[ - ] What does "praise jah" mean? 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:07 PM Flag
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Praise god Jah is hebrew for god as in Jehovah [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:08 PM Flag
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As in Jahweh [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:10 PM Flag
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Yahweh actually [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:11 PM Flag
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NP: It's either, at least as I learned it at school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:16 PM Flag
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I think you can write it either way. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:17 PM Flag
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Jah is the Rastafarian god. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:08 PM Flag
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Rastafarians believe they are decendents of the lost tribe of Israel (Hebrew)which has been located in Eithiopia. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:11 PM Flag
[ - ] looking for a nice twin bed for ds, which one did you purchase for dc? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:05 PM Flag
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actually, i am going to buy ds's a jc penney -- same manf as pottery barn [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:06 PM Flag
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Box spring and mattress. Sealy. A mid-range mattress. I think it cost $700 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:06 PM Flag
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how do you keep the mattress from sliding off the box springs? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:08 PM Flag
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Sealy high end mattress. really essential for DC's back support/health [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:07 PM Flag
[ - ] DC having a playdate with friend, friend's mom is bringing them to a baseball game. What (if anything) can I contribute to it? Offer to pay for tickets? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.01.08, 08:04 PM Flag
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Never assume that they will pay [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:05 PM Flag
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you can offer to pay for your child's ticket. she'll probably say no, so maybe you can send snack money for all the kids or maybe buy each of the kids a team shirt so they can wear it to the game... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:05 PM Flag
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personally, i'd pay for my child's ticket and extra snack money [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:14 PM Flag
[ - ] Are the burbs dull and lifeless for kids? no, they can be great. Parents tend to be selfish about this "I will die if I leave Manhattan." I know, because I was one of them. It's great having the space, my own home office, kids no longer share their rooms, green and gorgeous trees, flowers all around. Entertain inside and outside. great cultural centers, kids love sports teams, art lessons, sailing, etc -- plus we go into city whenever we feel like it 16 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:00 PM Flag
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and economically, people forget they no longer pay that NYC income tax which on an income of $300k+ is a huge amount of money (pays for real estate taxes in part) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:01 PM Flag
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This is a random thought?! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:02 PM Flag
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no, related to the one below that the mom says that living in burbs is "dull and lifeless". maybe for the mom who can't think outside the box, but for kids, it really is better to have the space/fresh air/riding bikes on the street with friends, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:04 PM Flag
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I moved out of the city w/ my kids and have the lifestyle you talk about but I also know that works well for me/my kids is not for everyone. Kids are just as happy in the city as ours in the burbs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:05 PM Flag
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We lived in the City and the only way we would have stayed was to have an apt with a big outdoor space plus maintain our home in the country -- reality is that sports dominate weekends so you can't really get away as often as you'd like [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:06 PM Flag
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You do pay something if you work in NYC even though you live in the suburbs. Or did they eliminate that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:04 PM Flag
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eliminated that a few years back. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:05 PM Flag
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I'd be willing to bet that with Wall Street in a dive, they'll bring it back [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:07 PM Flag
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No way [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:07 PM Flag
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NYC was pissed it was eliminated and has been trying to get it back all along. it is the purview of the state legislature. And surprisingly, Shelly Silver spearheaded the move to eliminate it. There was a fight for a Rockland assembly seat and in order to bolster the candidate he took this action. Cost the city tons. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:10 PM Flag
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$9K is a huge amount of money? Really? That's what it would cost to lease, fuel, insure, and repair the second car that you would need to live in the burbs. It's a wash. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:08 PM Flag
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stupid to lease. buy a used car for $5K, you only need a station car anyway [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:10 PM Flag
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np: closer to 12k on 300k income. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:11 PM Flag
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true esp if you work from home P/T for some days when you're not in NYC and get a tax deduction for many things [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:12 PM Flag
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I think happiness can be found anywhere. It's all personal preferences. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:14 PM Flag
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where do all the responders live? please post. thank you. signed, mom looking for a great place to live outside the city [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:14 PM Flag
[ - ] What should I cook for my inlaws who are staying with us tomorrow? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:57 PM Flag
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what do they like? Casual? Grill? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:59 PM Flag
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depends -- do they like simple food or are they foodies? this time of year, you can't go wrong with marinated steak kabobs, some rice, and some nice grilled veggies. maybe some fruit tarts for dessert (bought from the store, of course!) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:59 PM Flag
[ - ] took away the bottle from my 2 yo. been triyng to give her milk in a cup with a straw. that's how she drinks er juice. she refuses and cries. any advice? 10 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.01.08, 07:55 PM Flag
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try it w/o the straw [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:56 PM Flag
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Mine absolutely will not drink milk from any other device. Pediatrician says she doesnt need milk, gets clacium from other sources...Dont tell but I put her back on the bottle. 2 1/2 yrs old. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:56 PM Flag
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the thing is that she didn't drink that much to begin with, maybe 10 oz a day at most. now that i switched to low fat, doesn't seem that important. she only eats yogurt, no other source of calcium. that's what bothers me. should i give the bottle back? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:59 PM Flag
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I gave the bottle back bc I had another baby, and this is her "special treat" twice a day, not for the calcium. If you are concerned about calcium, dont be. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:01 PM Flag
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i see, thanks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:03 PM Flag
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try it in a regular sippy cup with a spout, nto a straw [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:56 PM Flag
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she never really liked those. what's the difference between sippy cup and the bottle? why is one ok vs the other? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:01 PM Flag
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different kind of sucking -- i'd try a few diff. brands [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:04 PM Flag
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are the dentists ok with sippy cups? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:08 PM Flag
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After I took the bottle away at 2yo+, my kids wouldn't get near milk until they were 4yo, and then, magically, they started drinking it again. Now they have it with lunch and dinner and they love it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:00 PM Flag
[ - ] Live in San Francisco. Pregant with first and need help deciding on stroller. LOVE the bugaboo, but also really like the Quinny. thoughts..recomendations? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:55 PM Flag
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The new Britax is awesome and less expensive for wonderful design. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:00 PM Flag
[ - ] I've UB'd for almost 5 yrs. now. This is my 1st time posting since the big new change to the site. How do you like it? I'm not sure yet. 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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Site Feedback 06.01.08, 07:54 PM Flag
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I think most of the UB diehards moved on to youbemom.com. This board seems to be attracting babycenter people. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:03 PM Flag
[ - ] My brother, who by the way left his kids to me should something happen, told me last weekend he feels children should be raised by their mothers. I work, his wife stays home. He made a comment years ago that should he die, I need to quit my job. Should I let his comment roll off my back bc clearly he thinks Im a good mother if he chose me over other siblings for his kids..or should I push him. I wouldnt think I would quit my job to watch a housefull of kids unless it was absolutely necessary.. 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.01.08, 07:53 PM Flag
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I would be straight with him. I work, this is part of what makes me a good mom. If that bothers you, please pick a new person to raise your kids... should something happen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:55 PM Flag
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you need to bring it up -- but remember -- thankfully, the chances of your brother and his wife both dying together are slim [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:56 PM Flag
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Your brother needs to wake up and smell the coffee. nearly 70% of American moms work outside the home (FT or PT). he sounds very egotistical and old-fashioned. so many women work for the intellectual and personal growth, to help pay bills and increasingly more are main breadwinners!!! also, kids go to school 8 am to 3 pm so what are you going to do, play tennis, get your nails done and dust the piano five times a day ??!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:56 PM Flag
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Of course I know this but you cant rationalize with the "old-fashioned". It sucks to ahve an unsupportive brother..like I need one more thing to feel guilty about. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:00 PM Flag
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If he dies and his wife isn't around, how is he going to influence what you do about work? You just keep working [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:05 PM Flag
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OP Can you imagine how that would feel? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:08 PM Flag
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Tell him that's nice, and you expect he's made you the beneficiary of an enormous life insurance policy to live off of if he dies and you need to quit your job to raise his dc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:26 PM Flag
[ - ] what kind of shampoo do you use for thin straight hair? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:53 PM Flag
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Anything that says Volume [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:54 PM Flag
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Any brand suggestions? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:56 PM Flag
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I like Biolage for fine hair. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:55 PM Flag
[ - ] ok, here's my question. apologies in advance for the ignorance and elitism implied but i know many of you ubers who live in cities feel the same way. so, we'll have to eventually leave nyc. can't afford to buy here, can barely afford the pre-schools. dh and i are both artists (intellectuals, some would say) and we have always lived in cities among people who considered themselves liberal, creative, critical thinkers, etc. we fear moving to the suburbs b/c we won't be surrounded by people like this. i am starting to think it is my own elitism that is causing this fear. this fear is bullshit, right? i mean the sahm's i meet in my neighborhood (i am a working sahm) are sort of dull even though they are "cultured" (expose themselves to art/music/theater events). it's me, right? tell me all will be fine when we move to the suburbs. 84 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:53 PM Flag
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I am you. We're intellectual liberals, I'm a working sahm. We've moved to another city, not the burbs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:55 PM Flag
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where? i am having trouble even doing research on other places. so busy working and taking care of db simultaneously. dh has to find a job elsewhere first. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:57 PM Flag
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you are really long winded. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:55 PM Flag
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i know. it's cause i feel guilty for admitting all of this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:56 PM Flag
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try the upper west side. inwood. woodstock [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 07:58 PM Flag
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I am you and moved to Atlanta because the COL is so low. I am dying here... do not move south. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:01 PM Flag
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Praise Jah! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:02 PM Flag
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huh? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:03 PM Flag
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:07 PM Flag
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I now live in NYC but was in Atlanta for 5 years. There are cool people. Depending on your religious views you may want to visit the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Atlanta. They are a very open minded group. Visit East Atlanta, you will like it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.09.09, 12:16 PM Flag
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i am also in atlanta after years in NYC and SF... gotta stay inside the perimeter... never leave... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:11 PM Flag
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I made the wrong choice. I came from UES and didn't want to compare cities so we chose the burbs so there were no comparisons...we are in Alpharetta. While I love my physical home/yard - I am dying. It's very vanilla out here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:13 PM Flag
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Alpha-freaking-retta ?! Come inside the perimeter and give up the yard... I feel for you... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:21 PM Flag
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I am truly dying. I'm an ex-producer and dh is a photographer. We travel a lot to make sure our kids don't end up being vanilla. We have a 3-5 year plan to move out of Atlanta. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:23 PM Flag
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did you come here for Turner ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:23 PM Flag
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No, dh was transferred w/ his previous biz and then struck out on his own (photography) after getting here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:25 PM Flag
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do you have a good group of friends ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:22 PM Flag
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Sort of... 1-2 local friends who are nice but different than we are. I have closer friends back in NY and other places around the country. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:23 PM Flag
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kids in school ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:24 PM Flag
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yes, K and preschool. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:25 PM Flag
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no cool women there ? my closest friends here are moms of other kids who are also from "points beyond"... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:27 PM Flag
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The people here are all nice but not edgy at all - just classic suburban/vanilla couples. All nice but not much there to befriend. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:28 PM Flag
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i'm sorry... have you thought about moving in town ? is that possible ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:31 PM Flag
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If I do move, I'm moving out of the area altogether. It's a nice city but just not for us. We miss 4 seasons, natural physical beauty, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:32 PM Flag
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I hear Chapel Hill and that area is great... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:35 PM Flag
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what is with all of the vanilla references? do you mean white, or just plain & boring? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.09.09, 12:37 PM Flag
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Move to Westport! So many artists and interesting people, cocktail parties, the "circuit" of East Coast intelligentia -- or a cool place like Exeter, NH [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:02 PM Flag
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np - Westport? I work with someone who was a musician who moved there and he hates it there. He says it's totally white bread and boring - but the schools are good for his kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:05 PM Flag
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milford ct has a lot of artists. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:09 PM Flag
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np: seriously? i used to go there for work (on press checks for an art magazine) and had no idea. i thought it was just the pez factory, dunkin donuts, the train station, printing press, and the bayer factory. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:40 PM Flag
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What about a college town, like New Paltz? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:04 PM Flag
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I just visited New Paltz over the mem weekend I think it would be right up your alley [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:41 PM Flag
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NP: We were there recently & it seemed like college bar town hell [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 09:29 PM Flag
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Try New Hope, PA. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 11:42 AM Flag
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don't mean this to be flame like, but if you are indeed liberal, open minded, etc, you should not be so quick to stereotype-there's plenty of creative, liberal, intellectual people in the suburbs. At least you are self-aware of your own elitism. Also a little wary of anyone that describes themselves as intellectual (kind of like describing yourself as classy). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:04 PM Flag
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Have to agree. we live in a great town on Long Island with many creative types and the art studios are fabulous out here -- a lot of old money so you can find some really interesting people. you need to get out of NYC and explore - seriously !!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:05 PM Flag
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where? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:11 PM Flag
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Port Washington [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:15 PM Flag
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egads - bikers & animal lovers [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 09:35 PM Flag
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bikers? Are you thinking of Ghost Motorcycles? I wouldn't say that defines the town (& I'm not the original PW poster). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.06.08, 08:11 PM Flag
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Agree. DH and I are liberal, but recognize that it is virtually impossible to surround ourselves with people just like ourselves (not that we really even want to!). We used to live in Manhattan, then Brooklyn, now we're in Westchester. We've met plenty of interesting people here and plenty of dull people--just like when we lived in NYC. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:09 PM Flag
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where? would you recommend your town? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:12 PM Flag
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ITA...I think life is what you make it...no matter where you live. And I have lived in a lot of places. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:13 PM Flag
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ITA. Also live in Westchester and think the whole liberal NYC dweller is a total myth. If you look on the playgrounds in our burb, they are far more diverse than the playgrounds in Manhattan. I have found the people are nicer and very interesting who have all had interesting careers and experiences before moving here. I actually am beginning to see the City as an elitist place where the so-called liberals only want to hang out with people exactly like themselves (unless, they are paying people not like themselves to clean their houses or watch their children.) Yep, I went there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:36 PM Flag
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What town? Certainly not Katonah. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 09:19 PM Flag
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^^^Commenting on diverse playgrounds [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 09:19 PM Flag
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lower Westchester, like Mt. Pleasant, Pleasantville, even Chappaqua [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 07:39 PM Flag
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absolutely ITA, couldn't have said it better (nyc mom relocated to NJ and much happier) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 11:40 AM Flag
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where in NJ? (np) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 03:52 PM Flag
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op: [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:10 PM Flag
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np - ITA, except I have had a hard time finding people like me in my suburb (in KC, Missouri). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 08:48 AM Flag
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Amen. OP reeks of elitism masquerading as free-thinking liberal. So tired of this attitude in NYC. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.09.09, 12:43 PM Flag
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I left a very creative, edgy neighborhood in Chicago for the suburbs...and honestly have met more forward thinking, interesting people in my new town than I new in the city neighborhood. In Chicago, all the people we knew had about same level of education, we owned about the same amount of real estate...everyone was white like us. Now we live in the burbs and things are a lot different and we are grateful for the diversity and exposure to a different mindset. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:06 PM Flag
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^^^^...than I KNEW... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:07 PM Flag
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cool! yes, this sounds right. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:10 PM Flag
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People in my town are more community minded than my neighbors in the city were. In the city it is easy just to retreat into your own little world. Out here everyone pretty much sends their kids to public school so we're much more invested in the community. It really shows in the level of involvement of people - town government, park district, sports teams, etc. I'm not saying it's utopia (which I do not believe in) but I am saying the suburbs don't have to be boring and in general get a bad rap. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:18 PM Flag
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I don't know, we get a lot of satisfaction out of the lives we lead here in Brooklyn, and not in a trendy area at all... we've managed to meet people like us and more importantly unlike us who are interesting and fuel our curiosity about the world around us. Are you guys bobos or are you actually really creative people? B/c I think you can find inspiration and beauty pretty much anywhere. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:39 PM Flag
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^^^OTOH, if you're really unhappy here and you want a change I totally recommend North Adams and the other Berskshire towns out there. It's a totally safe and yet really compelling environment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:41 PM Flag
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We felt similarly about the suburbs. You should seriously consider areas of Brooklyn or Riverdale. Still urban. No suburban insular, vapid nature. And super close to Manhattan. I'm finding that the creative, intellectual, etc. types are moving to places like that because Manhattan is only affordable to the banker types. Not quite as :liberal as it once was. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.01.08, 08:51 PM Flag
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You mean unlike the insular, vapid nature of the city? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.09.09, 12:42 PM Flag
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We are you, and here are the places we are thinking of moving: Princeton, Montclair, Maplewood, and the Berkshires/Northampton area. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 08:12 AM Flag
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Dh and I are similar and have had this discussion many times. If we leave NYC, it will not be for the burbs (too expensive and culturally distant from NYC) but rather for another community that has its own culture. College towns are great for this. Lots of well-educated, artistic types, cost of living is often decent, good schools, decent healthcare, etc. College towns (even in the midwest and south) can be culturally great place to live. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 08:44 AM Flag
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We live in New Orleans. City with problems, but very creative (music, visual arts etc) with tons of interesting smart people, plus lots of local "characters". There is also a lot to do be done here--lots of opportunities to be a part of economic, racial, cultural change. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 08:50 AM Flag
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a lot of smaller cities (1-2 million, say) have some "close-in" neighborhoods where you'll find like-minded people - many refugees from NYC, in fact. I'm in Nashville, and this is definitely the case here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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do you live close in? we live in Hillsboro Village [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.08, 06:08 AM Flag
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I was you some years ago. I hated the idea of leaving Manhattan, which in my view was the nerve center of the universe. We now live in Maplewood, and I am happier that I ever was in NYC. There are more "liberal (tho' not all, but most), creative, critical thinkers" here than I ever found in NYC. Maybe it's because folks are not subject to the jangling that the city subjects you to: it allows the mind to be clear and you can get things done. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 11:24 AM Flag
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move to the hamptons [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 11:27 AM Flag
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Yes, this is your own bs. I'm like you and I moved to the burbs, and I have to say, ppl in NYC are no more "cultured," and often more provincial. Your experience will be what you make of it, trust me. Burbs are all diff, however, so you should look for one that has the feel that you like. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 11:36 AM Flag
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np: I grew up in the burbs. Moved to NYC as a young adult but I go back to burbs often for family stuff. Individual people in the city versus suburban areas may be equally provincial BUT in my experience, the suburban folks are mostly the same provincial. The urban folks are often all different provincials. So when you mush them together, the suburban experience is one (or two) types of provincial folks. The urban folks though are a huge mix. It just plays very differently. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 11:52 AM Flag
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agree [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.08, 06:20 AM Flag
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Try New Hope, PA. Progressive and a lot of NYC ex pats. And houses there are going cheap. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 11:48 AM Flag
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move to maplewood. you have to do right by your hildren [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.08, 11:55 AM Flag
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You sound like you're so full of yourself and most of these responders do too. Do you really think NYC is the only place with educated people interested in cultural pursuits? You really haven't been out much. Yes, NYC is worldclass when it comes to the arts but there are educated people throughout this country many of whom are just more low-key and not trying to flaunt their intellectualism as you appear to be. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.08, 06:11 PM Flag
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you sound like a defensive annoying twit [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 04:27 PM Flag
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I agree. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.09.09, 12:45 PM Flag
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Move to Larchmont or Mamaroneck, not as boring as other burbs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 08:16 AM Flag
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pelham has a lot of writers, but very quiet [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:09 PM Flag
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bronxville also nice and artsy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:10 PM Flag
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Sounds like Ithaca New York is the place for you too (I just gave the same answer to the person looking for a funky eclectic vibe). Lots of artists, very left leaning, lots of intellectuals around because of the universities, very international, lots of excellent music, theatre and more movie theatres per capita than Manhattan they say. Good public schools, beautiful nature, you could buy a big beautiful house for less than $300,000. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 10:03 AM Flag
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what about austin TX or boulder CO? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.06.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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you will have to seek out like-minded people where ever you go. that's the truth. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.06.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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I live in Nyack, NY, sometimes jokingly referred to as the UPPER Upper West Side. Many transplants from the city. Hip, many artists, film makers. Family friendly (including gay families...Rosie lives here.) Excellent preschools, private schools, and the local elementary school is quite good. There are art and (progressive) political events all the time, in a town on the river with wonderful outdoor space, great cappacino and home made ice cream, restaurants and a music scene. Have no fear! There are wonderful towns out in the 'burbs and the burbs are a great place to raise kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.08, 06:05 AM Flag
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Rent, homeschool, and stay in NYC... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.08, 07:04 PM Flag
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I think your fear is understandable but you have GOT to get over it and get over the narrow-minded notion that there are no creative, liberal interesting people outside of NYC! Don't you think there are thousands of people like yourself who decided to compromise and move to the 'burbs despite their own misgivings? Just pick your town carefully...and you might want to check out a very funny website for hip, ambivalent suburbanites...maybe you'll realize you are not so unique....it's www.burbia.com. [ Reply | More
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