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[ - ] "I will consult with Floridians and the voters in Michigan because it's really their voices that are being ignored and their votes that are being discounted, and I'll support whatever the elected officials and the voters in those two states want to do." YOU AGREED TO IGNORE THEIR VOICES. YOU AGREED TO DISCOUNT THOSE VOTES. YOU ARE A DESPERATE PSYCHO. HOW CAN SHE SAY THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE?????? 21 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 04:59 PM Flag
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I have an odd mole I need to get checked. [ Reply | More ]
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keep that head in the sand, it works for you. [ Reply | More ]
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my cat's breath smells like cat food [ Reply | More ]
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losing hurts, i know. do you need a hug? [ Reply | More ]
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snort! I'm no hillary fan but I'll take the hug thanks! [ Reply | More ]
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The doctor says it would stop bleeding if I just kept my finger out of there. [ Reply | More ]
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I broke my wookie [ Reply | More ]
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We had one of those corkscrew landings, they had to cancel the welcome ceremony. We were told to keep our heads down and run to the SUVs. Now that's what happened. [ Reply | More ]
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Once, I farted and some poo came out. [ Reply | More ]
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that suits you, keep that look [ Reply | More ]
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It doesn't really matter what she says. The people have a right to have their votes count. [ Reply | More ]
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No, actually, they don't. There were rules and they were broken. [ Reply | More ]
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you are correct! You win a toaster! [ Reply | More ]
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well, tough sh&t. this is a democracy, sweetie. you want to usher your choice in without a fair election, move to cuba. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:04 PM Flag
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And according to Hillary MI was "legitimate" even though Obama wasn't on the ballot? Are you joking? SHE AGREED THAT THOSE PRIMARIES WOULDN'T COUNT SO SHE SHOULD STOP ACTING LIKE THEIR CHAMPION. ENOUGH. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:05 PM Flag
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um, you're evading. i hope you like rice and beans. [ Reply | More ]
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no - actually she is right [ Reply | More ]
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mmm. no. it doesn't matter what she said or he said or which republicans stole the right to vote from the democrats of florida. they have a right to vote and have their vote count. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:14 PM Flag
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You parse language as well as Bill and you're as thick as Hil, impressive! She agreed those primaries would not count. That's not evading, it's fact. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:08 PM Flag
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LMAO! Actually, it's a republic not a democracy. Did you know that originally in the constitution there was no right to vote in a pres election? That was changed obviously but the DNC makes it's rules about how to run it's own primary. They told Fla and Mich what the rules were and what the consequences would be. They broke the rules. Now Hillary wants to remove the consequences. Typical democrats [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:06 PM Flag
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Actually, the Republican leadership in Fla. made the rules and that's not fair to the Democrats of Florida. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:16 PM Flag
[ - ] 2.5yo dd is being *psycho* at bedtime. It was working if I sat by the door reading a magazine until she fell asleep. Then she started trying to jump around, talk to me, etc. I kept saying I'd only stay if she laid down quietly. Not working. It's taking me over an hour to get her to go to sleep. I put a gate at the door and am telling her I'll sit by the door and read if she gets in her bed and if she doesn't, I leave and close the door. Should I ferber and go back every 5-10 min or just give a couple chances and that's it? WWYD? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 04:59 PM Flag
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i guess i would try going in once and saying that's it and close the door. [ Reply | More ]
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I have issues letting her cry herself to sleep b/c I remember my parents doing it to me and being miserable. Is that just *my* issue and the right thing to do? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:01 PM Flag
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how old were you? it really all depends on what you want to do. my sister still sleeps with DD and she is 6 [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:03 PM Flag
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I often put her to bed with me in the middle of the night if she's crying but she needs to go to bed on her own! Until she was 2 she was a perfect sleeper and never cried, never cried at night, went down easily, and now she's a total pita! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:03 PM Flag
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wow that sucks. i think that if she is in distress, then of course go in. if she's just trying to get attention you'll have to draw the line at some point [ Reply | More ]
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So, now, for whatever reason, she *needs* you. You got off when she was younger, an hour is only a half hour longer than a half hour, which doesn't seem long, kwim? It will pass. It will bring you closer to love her through this, rather than make it a battle. JMNSHO... [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:08 PM Flag
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Have you tried www.dreamteambaby.com? THEY ARE AWESOME, and they saved my life! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:05 PM Flag
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How old was your db when you hired them? [ Reply | More ]
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over two. she has never slept well. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:58 PM Flag
[ - ] my friend told me today that she feels badly for me that we live on such a tight budget while she has a lot of flexibility because her family has a huge credit line (most of which is unavailable to them, they have abt 90k of cc debt). we *do* have a tight budget but no cc debt. we have an emergency fund, small retirement funds, college savings fund. her family has none of those things. do you think thats strange? 22 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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I think its strange that you know each others financial situation so intimately [ Reply | More ]
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yes, and I've ne ver heard of 90k in cc debt! wow that is a lot [ Reply | More ]
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not a fan of debt myself but the debt load is relative to the income generated [ Reply | More ]
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ita [ Reply | More ]
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ita [ Reply | More ]
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agree. OP- how do you know she is 90k in cc debt? I find it VERY strange anyone would share this kind of info with someone, even a very close friend. [ Reply | More ]
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she told me this morning. she is SAH, her DH makes abt $250k. they pay 85k of it to his first wife. [ Reply | More ]
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yikes - 1/3? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:05 PM Flag
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plus costs associated with her stepsons' medical care and legal bills (one of them stole money from his mother and she is pressing charges) [ Reply | More ]
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yeah I can see that, its not very common to share financial info like that, its? [ Reply | More ]
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is it [ Reply | More ]
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it should be the other way around -- you should feel bad for her... [ Reply | More ]
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and NOBODY should feel *BADLY* for anyone [ Reply | More ]
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lol - ita. that one drives me nuts. [ Reply | More ]
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the OR is not incorrect [ Reply | More ]
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I agree, the OP was incorrect [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:09 PM Flag
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EXACTLY!!! one of my pet-peeves. You can only feel "badly" if there is something wrong with your sense of touch. That said, give OP a break - tons of educated people seem to get this wrong. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:11 PM Flag
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yes, thanks [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:13 PM Flag
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clearly this is what op is fishing for. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:02 PM Flag
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no, I don't feel bad for her or for myself! I just was floored that she said she felt bad for me because of our tight budget...I mean I am glad that she doesn't view her situation as concerning but I would if it were me. Though it doesn't mean I feel bad for her. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:04 PM Flag
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^or badly ;) [ Reply | More ]
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she feels bad, not badly [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:07 PM Flag
[ - ] End of year gifts for teachers, office staff, janitor? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
Toddler 05.21.08, 04:56 PM Flag
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janitor? c'mon! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 04:58 PM Flag
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that's custodian to you! what's wrong with you people? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 06:55 PM Flag
[ - ] i wish dh would come out of his damn office and put the kids to bed. i'm done. i barely made it through dinner w/o crying, and he's avoiding real life. i'm the only one who does anything w/the kids, and ds, who has autism, has NOT been happy lately. dd had a breakdown before dinner b/c I refused to make her pasta. Neither of them ate. No bath. it may be selfish, but i just don't want to do bedtime. and i already warned everyone, if dd whines one more time, I'm getting my car keys and leaving the house. 11 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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honey I am sending you hugs. Is he working or playing video games? [ Reply | More ]
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who knows? lord knows he doesn't have any clients, i don't know wtf he does in there all day. last night he was stupid enough to turn the speakers up, and i know it was youtube. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 04:58 PM Flag
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^^^thanks for the hugs [ Reply | More ]
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I'll send you some hugs too. I'm sure you do a wonderful job with the kids and you deserve a break too. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 04:59 PM Flag
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thanks. house is a f*cking mess and laundry has been clean and unfolded since Sunday. i'm finding it very hard to care right now. [ Reply | More ]
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bang on his door, tell him to come out and deal, that you're done for the day and going to bed [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 04:57 PM Flag
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i should...i should just take the laptop up there. and i know he's gonna want sex tonight - he thinks it's a cure-all. [ Reply | More ]
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I would tell him I am leaving for the evening and the kids need to be put to bed. Seriously, why dont you? [ Reply | More ]
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only thing that's keeping me from doing it is that I'm not supposed to drive when I'm at all tired, and I'm over emotional to boot. it's a bad combination for me - I have epilepsy, even though totally controlled by meds, i don't like to take the chance unless I have to. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:03 PM Flag
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then take awalk [ Reply | More ]
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i should. it's about to rain here, though. shit - which means i have to go cover up the grill. see you later. thanks everyone [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:06 PM Flag
[ - ] echogenic bowels--what is this? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 04:56 PM Flag
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from what I understand it's a bright spot on ultrasound that usually means nothing, but can also be indcative of a number of complications. [ Reply | More ]
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true- especially in the second trimester. Could be a whole host of genetic problems, but the amnio will have ruled those out. After that it is wait and see if it resolves itself [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:28 PM Flag
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means something is not forming correctly. Anything that is supposed to be soft tissue and shows up echogenic is not good. Many things fix themselves though. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 04:57 PM Flag
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had amnio to rule out the worst of the possibilities..still concerned--anyone btdt? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:00 PM Flag
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not bowels but DS had echogenic lungs. They said if it was what they thought, he would have no chance for survival. As it turned out, he had a heart defect and didn't make it, but the lung part cleared on it's own before the next ultrasound. GL to you [ Reply | More ]
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ugh, sorry to hear that. i wish you strength and a healthy second chance.. [ Reply | More ]
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thanks. We did have a DD who is perfect and wonderful. GL to you. Many many things just go away. Sometimes all this testing is as much a curse as a blessing [ Reply | More ]
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could be nothing or might be associated w/ the Trisomy's [ Reply | More ]
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amnio was negative for everything, but spot is still present. [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] I have a very bossy 3 yo...tells the other kids what they can be when they play pretend, tells them they are not allowed to sing, contradicts what they say. how do I help him become more likeable? is there any hope he will lighten up? 18 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
Toddler 05.21.08, 04:56 PM Flag
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Watching this post, not a trait I admire in children (or adults) [ Reply | More ]
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np: very helpful [ Reply | More ]
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well its all about being helpful here isn't it "np" [ Reply | More ]
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WTF? [ Reply | More ]
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op: well, some people are just like this. DH and I are not and we are trying to help him be more flexible [ Reply | More ]
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do you admire smugness? [ Reply | More ]
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Im agree, I cant stand to be around these children.... sorry. [ Reply | More ]
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My Ds was like that and in time mellowed a lot [ Reply | More ]
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Does your 3 yo have a sibling? How does his teacher(s) at preschool handle it? My dd is that way as well and we have seen a huge improvement as her younger sib has gotten older, a year in preschool where the teachers really helped facilitate different kinds of interactions with the other dc. [ Reply | More ]
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OP: he has a 10 mo sister. Preschool has helped with his playing with other kids but its gotten worse as he has become more outspoken and less shy [ Reply | More ]
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I've found in my now 11 years as a parent that children are a big reflection of their parents...me included. [ Reply | More ]
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OP: I have many faults but this not one of them...Dh and I are very laid back and easygoing [ Reply | More ]
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are you too easygoing? It sounds like ds feels a need to control things - as if there is some degree of chaos in his life. [ Reply | More ]
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OP: I think I have a good balance...he has such stability that it baffles me where this comes from [ Reply | More ]
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OP, you sound like a grounded mom and it's likely that your kid is just going through a stage. Continue to model cooperation, give and take, etc., and your kid will come around. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:23 PM Flag
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Not so uncommon for a 3 yo [ Reply | More ]
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wow you should nip this in the bud now before he becomes a nightmare and no one wants to play with him. [ Reply | More ]
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Some kids are like that by nature. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 05:08 PM Flag
[ - ] did anyone vote for american idol last night? who for? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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no. I'm embarrassed enough that I watch at my age! [ Reply | More ]
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I voted for David Cook, even though I know Archuleta is going to win. Americans have a history of voting for the wrong person. . . sure, Archuleta has an *amazing* voice, but he's at best, a lounge singer. No charisma, no moves, no style. His records will NOT sell, a la Taylor Hicks and Ruben Studdard. David Cook will go on to sell millions of records, as Chris Daughtry did. [ Reply | More ]
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ita! [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] OK, how bored am I that I kinda love that the innocent big-boy towel searcher is getting flamed as if she bf'd her 12-year-old? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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LOL [ Reply | More ]
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I was briefly disappointed that nobody was on that, but after it started my faith in UB was renewed. [ Reply | More ]
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me too! [ Reply | More ]
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you, i like [ Reply | More ]
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it's refreshing, really. [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] Do you think Grey's Anatomy has jumped the shark? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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More like Evil Knieveled over the Grand Canyon. [ Reply | More ]
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not at all, Im more into it than ever [ Reply | More ]
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I watch it, but I could give a f*** whether Der and Mer ever get together. What a self-indulgent loser she is and the storyline isn't remotely interesting. [ Reply | More ]
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last season when mer drowned and the surgical staff revived her. THE SURGICAL STAFF???? [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] next time i see this guy i've been dating, i'm just going to kiss him. his slowness is killing me 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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I remember those days...whats with those really pokey guys? [ Reply | More ]
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i don't know, i may have accidentally given him the cheek but i think it really was just a cheek kiss. shrug [ Reply | More ]
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just do it. have a drink or two and lean in. you won't regret it and neither will he [ Reply | More ]
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I don't know what I would do in that situation. I find that kind of reticence a big turn off. [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] Have a large, mostly red Persian rug, want to paint my walls a very light, creamy yellow. Will this look terrible? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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sounds nice to me esp if your floors are very light wood. Sounds sunny and pleasant [ Reply | More ]
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that's what we have in dh's office, maybe not *very* light. Looks v nice. [ Reply | More ]
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I would stick with beige [ Reply | More ]
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gross. Never use beige. I can't think of anything more boring [ Reply | More ]
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we have a similar color scheme in our living room and I really like it [ Reply | More ]
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I would use a cooler tone like stone or pale mushroom [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] wow. two weeks ago this was happy hour, posts flying faster than you can say UB! and now?!?! DULLSVILLE. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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i thought it was just my server! [ Reply | More ]
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yeah - it is slower than before but stick around. It will pick back up [ Reply | More ]
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the bath towel post is amusing [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] how much should a 2 mo be sleeping/day?> 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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mine slept 12-13 hrs/day but most others slept more. [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] 9 weeks preg... can i use a self-tanner? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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Some sources say no (better safe than sorry), some say it's okay. FWIW, I used it when I was pregnant. [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] Back to my Ebay addiction since UB has been so quiet. Its getting expensive ladies, talk up! 13 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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what are you buying? [ Reply | More ]
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Bidding on shoes for DS, an organic linen fitted sheet, and make up. Just bought an Electrolux canister vaccuum. [ Reply | More ]
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Organic sheets? Good lord. [ Reply | More ]
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Not just organic but made of flax! If my fat ass is pressed into something all night I want it to be pure as a babies bottom. [ Reply | More ]
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you're busy! I get overwhelmed by e-bay really quickly. [ Reply | More ]
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Yeah that was me a while ago...and then it starts to make sense and I race around checking on all of my "bids" before too long. Plus it somehow doesn't really feel like you are spending money [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 04:54 PM Flag
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try youbemom.com [ Reply | More ]
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np: just went - it is just as slow [ Reply | More ]
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eh, it ain't gonna fly over there. I've checked it out but it's not sticky enough, it doesn't have the same dialog and it is almost impossible for a site like that to reach critical mass. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.21.08, 04:55 PM Flag
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np exactly. Those guys will all get bored of talking to themselves and come crawling back over here. I give it a month before this place is as crabby and fast as ever [ Reply | More ]
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ITA. I tried YBM, but not a fan. [ Reply | More ]
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me neither. Too weird over there. Prefer here even slow [ Reply | More ]
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I suspect its one or two people just frantically posting random items to make it look busy [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] Can't remember from #1, at what week of pg are you no longer allowed to fly? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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my OB says 32 wks [ Reply | More ]
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is it a different number for international (really long) flights? [ Reply | More ]
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not sure [ Reply | More ]
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