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[ - ] what level nipples should my 8mo DB be using for drbrown bottles? im still on 2. 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.17.08, 07:03 AM Flag
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Never went past the level 2s. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:31 AM Flag
[ - ] What time does your 6month old wake up and what time is bedtime? 2 or 3 naps a day? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 06.17.08, 06:54 AM Flag
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5-6am. usually 3naps, sometimes 2 if first one goes extra long or she 'slept-in' till after 6. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:16 AM Flag
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bedtime around 7, wakes up 5-6am, usually 3 naps (sometimes even 4 catnaps,esp if we on the go - i have a 3yo and so we can't always stay home for naptime). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:19 AM Flag
[ - ] Anyone ever hear/use Carson Softsheen Magic Powder in place of nair or shaving? I've heard it's amazing for bikini area (but have to be careful b/c it's really for black men to prevent bumps & can burn if not done properly). 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.17.08, 06:53 AM Flag
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spam [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:53 AM Flag
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uh, no, it's a mother here, asking a question... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:54 AM Flag
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Get laseered [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:08 AM Flag
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this stuff costs less than $5.00...don't have enough money for laser right now [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:10 AM Flag
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OK burn your pussy then [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:14 AM Flag
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nasty b*@^! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:25 AM Flag
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let us know how it works. I hate those bumps [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:28 AM Flag
[ - ] Any UWS NEST moms on? We're getting conflicting info about school bus availability. 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.17.08, 06:50 AM Flag
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What is the conflicting info? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:51 AM Flag
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How far uptown the buses go on the west side. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:52 AM Flag
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Have they said there's some kind of boundary? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:53 AM Flag
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There is a boundary, it's just not clear where it is. People are saying different things, which is why I'm asking here whether anyone has any concrete experience. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:55 AM Flag
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I thought it was 5.5 miles from school, max, but maybe I'm wrong? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:11 AM Flag
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All kids who live in Manhattan get free busing. There used to be a mile limit but they changed it mid year to include all kids who live in Manhattan. They will not transport kids across boroughs but I repeat - all kids who live in Manhattan get free yellow buses. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:22 AM Flag
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except for the poor folks on Roosevelt Island who are part of district 2 but do not get yellow bus service. They have to buy a metro card to get over the river and then catch a bus there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:24 AM Flag
[ - ] What does your 10-month-old eat? (All of the baby books give conflicting advice.) Thanks. 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.17.08, 06:50 AM Flag
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cereal, fruit, veggies, grilled cheese, waffles, french toast, mac and cheese, yogurt, formula [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:53 AM Flag
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np: does your 10mo really eat grilled cheese? is that considered safe? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:17 AM Flag
[ - ] dc is on several wait lists. should we call those schools this week, or next to see if there's been any change? (wondering what best strategy is, since hopefully a place might open up if parents send their dc to G&T instead) wwyd? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.17.08, 06:49 AM Flag
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Can't hurt to call [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:56 AM Flag
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call now to reiterate your interest. that way you will be on their minds if someone calls to drop out. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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call now. Tell them you are still interested. Ask when you should call back. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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from op: would it be ok to email? or is calling better? (small detail i guess, but i wonder if it makes a difference...) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:37 AM Flag
[ - ] sigh. it just dawned on me that i'm responding to posts that are from hours ago. no wonder none of the op's are bothering to respond anymore. is anyone actually here now? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:48 AM Flag
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It was quite busy yesterday afternoon. It will pick up again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:57 AM Flag
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i find it's very off and on. when it's on, it's fantastic. busy but not so busy that you miss posts. but when it's slow, it's really slow. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:00 AM Flag
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i'm here [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:57 AM Flag
[ - ] Did anyone have DC take the OLSAT 2 years in a row? How consistent were the results? Considering having DC retake it next year. 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.17.08, 06:48 AM Flag
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Yes, my fall bithday dc did and the results were pretty consistent statistically, although dc qualified for Anderson onsite last year and got a 96 this year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:09 AM Flag
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was the delta the OLSAT or GRS vs Bracken? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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Inconsistent. 99 for K, 96 for 1st. Lower OLSAT and Bracken was lower than teacher rec. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:20 AM Flag
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Was there consistency in the subsections at least? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:00 AM Flag
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Nope. Verbal and Performance swapped (i.e. the better one last year was worse this year) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:27 AM Flag
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Took it in K and DD got around 92-94%. Retook in first and she got 99% OLSAT, 98% Bracken. Bracken test section on which she had probs: shapes (apparently tested some weird shapes). We think big difference was use of KTSS for 1st grade test (same test given as for K, I think, so the prep was useful) and general after-school sutdying (maybe 1.5 hours total a week) in reading and math to make up for what she wasn't learning in her K program. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:29 AM Flag
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don't you feel like cheating taking ktss? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:31 AM Flag
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Did your dd get placed somewhere for 1st? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:15 AM Flag
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99 both years. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:54 AM Flag
[ - ] is your financial situation better or worse than a year ago? if worse, what changes are you making to save money? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:42 AM Flag
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worse - none as not significantly worse. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:43 AM Flag
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it's a little better. We are in debt but been paying off. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:43 AM Flag
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better b/c i went back to work. but expenses have gone up to the point that the added amount we were saving from my job had dwindled considerably. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:47 AM Flag
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slightly worse, there's tons of inflation and income hasn't changed over the last year [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:57 AM Flag
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ditto [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:57 AM Flag
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i just heard this morning that we can expect the price of many grains, milk, and meat to go up by almost 10%. fantastic. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:01 AM Flag
[ - ] My 13 1/2 dd is driving me crazy with her eating. She She used to llOVE avocada and apples and now won't go near them. She'll only eat grapes ... how to handle? Do I keep giving her foods she doesn't currently like 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:37 AM Flag
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she's a teen? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:38 AM Flag
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sorry-- she's a baby. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:40 AM Flag
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ok..try introducing other fruits, peaches, pineapples, blueberries,ect. My dd used to get sick of the same thing after a while [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:42 AM Flag
[ - ] If you were to revamp the G&T scoring system for next year, what would you do? Remove the Bracken? Add something else? Change the test environment? 28 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.17.08, 06:37 AM Flag
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Given the sheer # of children to be tested, I don't think there is any way to use the Stanford Binet (although it's a better measurement of giftedness). I don't think there would even be enough qualified SB testers, even if you granted fee waivers to those who could not afford the testing. I would drop the Bracken, use the OLSAT and require each citywide to do an onsite evaluation for qualifiers at 98% or higher. I would give the district programs freedom to decide whether to do an onsite for their programs, but wouldn't require it. District programs with no onsite would be filled by score -- RAW Scores, not percentiles/lotteries. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:45 AM Flag
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I agree about the raw scores to an extent...I think younger kids would lose out in general, though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:47 AM Flag
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Why do you think so? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:48 AM Flag
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Wouldn't one expect younger DCs to score lower than older DCs? (or am I misunderstanding raw scores?) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:49 AM Flag
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But didn't they use raw scores last year? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:51 AM Flag
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I have no clue...interesting that they changed it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:52 AM Flag
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no. Last year they used the normed scores. They just didn't convert them to percentages. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:55 AM Flag
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What are normed scores? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:57 AM Flag
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The scores are adjusted to the age of the child. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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Getting 38 right if you are 48 months old means a lot more than if you are 59 months old. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:00 AM Flag
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No. The scores were normed for age. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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you can't do raw scores. The test doesn't work that way. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:54 AM Flag
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OR: I misspoke. I actually meant scaled scores [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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dude, you have to use percentiles or at least scaled scores. You cannot use raw scores because at that young age. All that said I think the city is on the right track. Keep the OLSAT/BRSA combo. Just create more seats for the 97+ crowd. How about a few new citywide schools outside Manhattan? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:57 AM Flag
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OR here: Yes, I actually meant to use "scaled" scores in my post, but instead used raw scores. You are right. Also agree about creating a selective G&T for each borough. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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my problem isnt' with testing. it's the disorganized programs servicing the population. not enough programs and seats to service the children. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:02 AM Flag
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Wait. Is there anybody who ranked all options and did not get a spot at all? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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Definitely replace the Bracken--It is too darn easy and that is the reason there were so many darn 99s--it doubled the pool of the 99s by elevating the 98s [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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I don't think so. It was only worth 25%. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:02 AM Flag
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Next year they will also know how to set people's expectations appropriately. All scores under 99 will know they will not get citywide or top district programs that offer only one class. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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oh, boy. You are one very sensitive person, are you not? Every year could be a different story depending on how many kids apply etc. etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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#1 thing I would do is add a citiwide G&T in Brooklyn. The old DOE building on COurt Street could be a great location. Very easy access for Brooklyn or lower Manhattan and even some parts of Queens. Obviously this is not an immediate solution but I just wanted to write this down. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:12 AM Flag
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Start testing earlier. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:52 AM Flag
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But they wanted to do the testing when every child was at least 4 yrs old. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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I know thats what they wanted, but you can test 11/12ths of the kids in November and the rest in December. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:05 AM Flag
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np: Does anyone on here know test methodology well enough to say if this is viable? Could they test the kids with birthdays before October prior to January and then come January, they would only have the fall kids to test... That would help speed up everything, no? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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np again: My inderstanding is that the test is scaled in three month blocks. That is why I said Oct/Nov/Dec kids after January. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:05 AM Flag
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G&T teacher here: I would not have testing until children are in the 2nd grade and the program start at 3rd grade [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:06 AM Flag
[ - ] Do you feed your 13-14 m/o the same food that you eat? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:35 AM Flag
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mostly yes [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:36 AM Flag
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Yes [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:40 AM Flag
[ - ] we missed having dd take G&T test for this year for K. (kicking myself now...) is it still possible for 1st grade? when would she take the test? 15 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.17.08, 06:31 AM Flag
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Which district? Some districts don't have G&T until 1st grade anyway, so you may not have missed anything. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:36 AM Flag
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district 14 in brooklyn. i don't know quite how this works. people i know had their dc take the test and got into 11 in manhattan. how can i find out more re: what to do next year? (psd no help...has no clue about public school options. sigh) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:38 AM Flag
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Call your zoned school and ask them. Not sure how these parents got into a G&T that's not in their zone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:40 AM Flag
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is 11 only for manhattan kids? i'm not sure how it all works...aren't there citywide G&T schools? (btw, what are some good resources for finding out the basics of this stuff. I need some kind of "NYC schools for Dummies" book or something...) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:43 AM Flag
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For some reason, can't reply directly to your question below. Go to insideschools.org and look at Gifted and Talented. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:45 AM Flag
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thanks. will check it out. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:47 AM Flag
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just looked on insideschools, and there is currently no G&T in district 14 (though i've heard rumors of a G&T class possibly opening at PS 132). does the fact that there is no G&T program in our district change anything? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:52 AM Flag
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Call your district office. There was a lot of movement in terms of setting up new G&T programs in districts this year, and insideschools may not have been able to keep up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:54 AM Flag
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thanks. still too late for 08-09 though, right? when do kids take the G&T test exactly? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:21 AM Flag
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I think you would be eligible for programs in neighboring districts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:55 AM Flag
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thanks. i'm curious now how the people we know got their dc into 11. is that not a citywide G&T? would they have had to use a manhattan address or something? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:20 AM Flag
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np. It's not citywide. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:23 AM Flag
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They could only have gotten into PS11 if they lived in that district. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:30 AM Flag
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We are in district 14. DD is going to Nest. Our selection form had one district G&T at PS 132. It is new for this year. Assuming they didn't remove it due to lack of students, it should still be there. There were only 17 who scored more than 90% in D14. There is no way someone outside of district got 11 G&T unless they had an address in the district. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:26 AM Flag
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np. ITA. I hope for their dc's sake the parents didn't lie about their address. There are too many pissed off parents this year, and someone's likely to blow the whistle on them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:33 AM Flag
[ - ] WWYD. New babysitter is watching 3 year old and I want to take 1 year old out to run errands. DH doesn't think it is a good idea as this is the 1st time the babysitter is here. WWYD? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:30 AM Flag
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of course you should go. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:34 AM Flag
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why on earth does he think that it's not a good idea? Do most people sit around with their babysitter on the first day? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:38 AM Flag
[ - ] when you were pg, if you were anemic and had to take iron, did it ever make you nauseous? I just took iron supplement after breakfast and threw everything up a few minutes ago. (8.5 mo pg) 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Expecting 06.17.08, 06:25 AM Flag
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yes... there was one that is coated in a white vanilla flavored coating and I was OK with that one. I forget what it was called, but maybe you could find it... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:26 AM Flag
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thanks. will try to find it. i'd been taking herbal iron supplements and this is a prescription one (much higher dose i guess). feeling totally crappy now. : ( [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:28 AM Flag
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honestly, I was a non-meat eater for years, then became anemic. All the iron sups made me ill. Eat steak a few times per mo, and my levels are now fine [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:52 AM Flag
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switch to cast iron pans. I am veggie, and my iron always test slightly above normal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:54 AM Flag
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from op: thanks for the replies. i'm a non-meat eater, so that's probably why i'm anemic again (was also like this for pg#1, but was taking herbal iron...this prescription stuff is harsh!). steak sounds strangely good right now. lol. cast iron pans a good idea. i've been meaning to get some anyway. thanks again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:18 AM Flag
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yes. Also made me constipated. Wicked stuff. Drink lots of water and eat fiber. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:22 AM Flag
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I took German herbal liquid supplement you can find at health food stores cuz others made me nauseous & constipated. Doctor recommended. Is it Floridex or maybe that is something else? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:24 AM Flag
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from op: that's the stuff i was taking before. i'm thinking i should switch back...that didn't make me nauseous or constipated at all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:28 AM Flag
[ - ] name poll: Lazzaro, Lelio, Leandro or Leopoldo? (dh is italian, btw) 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:24 AM Flag
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I like Laz, I like lelio and I like Leo [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:24 AM Flag
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Lazzaro [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:28 AM Flag
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Lazzaro. I'm hispanic and pg with a boy. I thought of Lazzaro but figured ppl who just smash the name when trying to pronounce it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:33 AM Flag
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i have a Leo... he is totally yummy and fits his name... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:41 AM Flag
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from op: ds will be a Leo, so although we love this name, it'd be too much... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:46 AM Flag
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np: i was supposed to have a leo too and ended up with a cancer. you never know... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:46 AM Flag
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good point. due date is actually right on the cusp. we'll keep it on the list, just in case. ;-) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:48 AM Flag
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I like Leopold, without the "o" on the end. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:42 AM Flag
[ - ] Those turning down g&t placements - why? where will dc go instead? 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.17.08, 06:19 AM Flag
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ps 24 in riverdale [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:27 AM Flag
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the gt program there? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:29 AM Flag
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in first grade, i'm afraid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:30 AM Flag
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ah, bummer. but if you're dc made the cutoff for K, I'm sure he will make it for 1st. where did you get in? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:35 AM Flag
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he's been waived for next year's test, his score will stand. he got into nest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:01 AM Flag
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NP, and it looks like from the Yahoo group that there's another Riverdale family leaning toward turning down A to do the same. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:03 AM Flag
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didn't get into first or second choice. we will take our zoned school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:31 AM Flag
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DF turning down LL as sticking with private. Personally, I feel she could have decided that before ranking LL. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:27 AM Flag
[ - ] another beautiful day... make lunches, argue about tooth brushing, see DH off to work, put lots of socks and assorted other laundry in the wash, step on a few Legos, and read the news where people do exciting things and change the world. i know being a mom is important and my "work" is valuable and very difficult, but is what you thought your life would be ??!! 13 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:19 AM Flag
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I'm a SAHM and no it's not what I imagined at all but I like it (most of the time) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:20 AM Flag
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I love my family and I know all the PC platatudes we always hear, but I am so depressed some days... I do a lot of "what could I have been" monologues in my head... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:21 AM Flag
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I used to love my job and had been in quite a senior position but I got fed up with it for various reasons. I would much rather be at home and I dread the day I have to get another job. I'm really not sure what I would do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:27 AM Flag
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I'll switch with you in a heartbeat. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:20 AM Flag
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why is that ? what is your day ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:21 AM Flag
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Get up, make breakfast, shower, get #1 dressed, take him to school, go to work, work shitty job, pick #1 and #2 up from babysitter on some days (other days they are already home), go home, make dinner/have dinner, read with them if they are not in bed (depends on night), do house work, talk to wife/watch tv, go to bed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:31 AM Flag
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ah... DH... what is DW doing ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:38 AM Flag
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i understand your point but it doesn't help you to think about it like that. it is all a state of mind. and it can be a very temporary time when your kids are young. enjoy every second of the mundane because it will be over in a flash. oh and by the way, most people are not changing the world. you very well may be by raising your kids! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:23 AM Flag
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Thank you... One DS is a guy who has a rough time making friends, accepting hard issues that kids his age shouldn't even ponder (he is wacky smart) and I feel that mothering him and guiding him is a real job and one I love and does really matter... then I look at -oh - Christian Amanpour and think, "shit, I wanted to do that"... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:25 AM Flag
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i'm a little bit the opposite. i always knew i wanted to stay home but i didn't think i'd be good at it and i was surprisingly good about it. (now i'm back at work and missing sahm-hood). but it was a huge adjustment...i had to re-evaluate my idea of success. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:30 AM Flag
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i reevalute mine daily... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:40 AM Flag
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what do you mean? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:42 AM Flag
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I'm a WAHM and was just thinking about that this morning. I can't seem to find the time to have a life of my own. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:44 AM Flag
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