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06.17.08, 06:37 AM NY Schools
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If you were to revamp the G&T scoring system for next year, what would you do? Remove the Bracken? Add something else? Change the test environment? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
NY Schools 06.17.08, 06:37 AM Flag
 

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Given the sheer # of children to be tested, I don't think there is any way to use the Stanford Binet (although it's a better measurement of giftedness). I don't think there would even be enough qualified SB testers, even if you granted fee waivers to those who could not afford the testing. I would drop the Bracken, use the OLSAT and require each citywide to do an onsite evaluation for qualifiers at 98% or higher. I would give the district programs freedom to decide whether to do an onsite for their programs, but wouldn't require it. District programs with no onsite would be filled by score -- RAW Scores, not percentiles/lotteries. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:45 AM Flag
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I agree about the raw scores to an extent...I think younger kids would lose out in general, though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:47 AM Flag
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Why do you think so? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:48 AM Flag
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Wouldn't one expect younger DCs to score lower than older DCs? (or am I misunderstanding raw scores?) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:49 AM Flag
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But didn't they use raw scores last year? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:51 AM Flag
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I have no clue...interesting that they changed it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:52 AM Flag
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no. Last year they used the normed scores. They just didn't convert them to percentages. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:55 AM Flag
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What are normed scores? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:57 AM Flag
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The scores are adjusted to the age of the child. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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Getting 38 right if you are 48 months old means a lot more than if you are 59 months old. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:00 AM Flag
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No. The scores were normed for age. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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you can't do raw scores. The test doesn't work that way. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:54 AM Flag
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OR: I misspoke. I actually meant scaled scores [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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dude, you have to use percentiles or at least scaled scores. You cannot use raw scores because at that young age. All that said I think the city is on the right track. Keep the OLSAT/BRSA combo. Just create more seats for the 97+ crowd. How about a few new citywide schools outside Manhattan? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:57 AM Flag
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OR here: Yes, I actually meant to use "scaled" scores in my post, but instead used raw scores. You are right. Also agree about creating a selective G&T for each borough. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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my problem isnt' with testing. it's the disorganized programs servicing the population. not enough programs and seats to service the children. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:02 AM Flag
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Wait. Is there anybody who ranked all options and did not get a spot at all? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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Definitely replace the Bracken--It is too darn easy and that is the reason there were so many darn 99s--it doubled the pool of the 99s by elevating the 98s [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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I don't think so. It was only worth 25%. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:02 AM Flag
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Next year they will also know how to set people's expectations appropriately. All scores under 99 will know they will not get citywide or top district programs that offer only one class. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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oh, boy. You are one very sensitive person, are you not? Every year could be a different story depending on how many kids apply etc. etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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#1 thing I would do is add a citiwide G&T in Brooklyn. The old DOE building on COurt Street could be a great location. Very easy access for Brooklyn or lower Manhattan and even some parts of Queens. Obviously this is not an immediate solution but I just wanted to write this down. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:12 AM Flag
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Start testing earlier. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:52 AM Flag
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But they wanted to do the testing when every child was at least 4 yrs old. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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I know thats what they wanted, but you can test 11/12ths of the kids in November and the rest in December. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:05 AM Flag
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np: Does anyone on here know test methodology well enough to say if this is viable? Could they test the kids with birthdays before October prior to January and then come January, they would only have the fall kids to test... That would help speed up everything, no? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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np again: My inderstanding is that the test is scaled in three month blocks. That is why I said Oct/Nov/Dec kids after January. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:05 AM Flag
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G&T teacher here: I would not have testing until children are in the 2nd grade and the program start at 3rd grade [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:06 AM Flag
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