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[ - ] Is the name Meeghan pronounced "Mee-gan"? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.17.08, 09:33 AM Flag
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pronounced "so 1994" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:34 AM Flag
[ - ] I don't understand why people think it's cool to stay in NYC to raise a family. I think it's so hard to raise children here, even if you have a ton of money. Anyone else agree? 27 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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I'm finding life easier in the suburbs, but personally a little less rewarding. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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Specifically what is harder in the city? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:33 AM Flag
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Where do I begin! Space in the apartment to play, hangout, have playdates in, Groceries, and everything else that Kids need to have, like bikes, playing tag outside etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:37 AM Flag
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yes I can see the outdoor space is an issue and also transportation (if it is not within walking distance). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:38 AM Flag
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"need to have" is subjective [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:09 AM Flag
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i think several things about this. i think people are more resistant to change than they think they are. i also think a lot of city dwellers grew up in the suburbs and were so adamant about moving to the city that they convinced themselves it's the only good place to be. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:33 AM Flag
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So you don't allow that we like the diversity; That we find the cultural/educational oppourtunities rewarding. It is only inertia which keeps us from wanting to leave NYC for some 1/4 acre of suburban grass to mow each weekend. We are deluded to prefer mass transit and neighborhood shops to highways and strip malls. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:51 AM Flag
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I don't find it hard. And we don't have a ton of money (far from it). I love all the things I can do with dd. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:34 AM Flag
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same here - i love that we do not have to commute. kids are little and have a nanny. they have a great social life. when they get older we will move for the space and schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:37 AM Flag
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Cool is not the word I would use. I find it rewarding. I find it fulfulling. I find it envigorating. And in truth, I think the suburbs are not easier. They are just different. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:35 AM Flag
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ditto! i have a smile on my face everyday; we moved away and i felt dead inside. not for everyone - but our kids will certainly grow up to be interesting well rounded people. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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instead of just round ;-) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:09 AM Flag
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you only want to hear from those who agree? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:35 AM Flag
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ITD, and it has nothing to do with being "cool". My brother and SIL live in the burbs w/ dc and you couldn't pay me to trade places with them. They need 2 cars, have to drive everywhere w/ the dc to do anything, their social group is way too homogeneous for my tastes, there's almost nothing going on culturally, etc. The only thing they have that I envy a little is space, but otoh they're always complaining about the yard maintenance, or they need to paint the house, clean the gutters and the garage, mend the fence, or what have you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:37 AM Flag
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ita! plus, transportation in the city is a pain when you have more than one young dc, but as they get a little older it is easier than the burbs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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Exactly. And especially now, with the crazy gas prices, I'm beyond thrilled we don't need a car - let alone TWO of them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:47 AM Flag
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I love it here. I suppose if you don't love it, then it is harder [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:45 AM Flag
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True, some people love the burbs, but I would hate it. To each her own. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:47 AM Flag
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and yet we have this argument over and over. I don't understand why so many people think that their way is the only way and everyone else *really* feels the same but won't admit it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:07 AM Flag
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I disagree--I love raising my kids in NYC and don't think it's hard. I love getting to work quickly, the parks, the playgrounds, not having to drive anywhere. I realize it helps that we bought our apt. before prices got so high and have a good public school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:50 AM Flag
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^^And it's not about being "cool" -- I just like it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:51 AM Flag
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But that's the point! We make $170,000, and pay $4,000 in rent/month and $2,200/month to the babysitter. There is almost no mony left, not enough for provate school for sure, and yet our zoned public isn't any good! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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Unfortunately $170K isn't very much in NYC. It's just the reality. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:23 AM Flag
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That $4K/mo would get you a great space in Brooklyn in one of the good zones. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:36 AM Flag
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ITD - I grew up in the suburbs but love having dc here. I think it is so much easier to get around and I don't have to get in an SUV and drive to a strip mall to get stuff (I just get it delievered!) DH grew up here and I was skeptical at first but now I can't see raising kids anywhere else. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:16 AM Flag
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When your kids are older they will be able to get around by themselves - you won't have to chauffer them everywhere. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:16 AM Flag
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I love living in NYC w/my 3 dc. We love the parks, the culture and transportation. They are going to fab zoned public. Our HHI is s what counts! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:28 AM Flag
[ - ] poll: did you once live in nyc, where do you live now? me: nyc, madison 24 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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nyc (but not a UB part of NYC), jersey city [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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I don't know what that means [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:10 AM Flag
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staten island is really where the UB girls hang out. I dare say they wouldn't consider it NYC. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:11 AM Flag
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^^isn't, that is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:12 AM Flag
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I live on SI & I'm on UB [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:12 AM Flag
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manhattan, brooklyn [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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east village to prospect park south here. you? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:41 AM Flag
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nyc, mill valley, ca [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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so jealous ! love MV... I left my heart in 94941 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:13 AM Flag
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nyc, scarsdale [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:36 AM Flag
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nyc, toronto [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:38 AM Flag
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west village, now denver [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:02 AM Flag
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nyc, bergen county [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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NYC, Still in NYC [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:09 AM Flag
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Park Slope; Nashville [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:25 AM Flag
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my sister lives in Nashville -- she's been there for years and loves it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:06 AM Flag
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UWS; Boerum Hill [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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nyc for the past 17 years: manhattan, brooklyn, now staten island [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:10 AM Flag
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Is it as awful as people say? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:11 AM Flag
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In many ways it is, but in other ways its better than Brooklyn. For example, our apt is surrounded by parks- beautiful parks with lake, cherry trees, clean playgrounds. And one can find good people anywhere. The part for me that I don't like is how isolated it is- difficult to get on & off the island- no connecting subway like in other boroughs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:14 AM Flag
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the only borough I've never been to... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:17 AM Flag
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It's the forgotten borough. There are some good, kid friendly things to do: Historic Richmondtown, Tibetan Museum, good kid's museum at Snug Harbor [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:18 AM Flag
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thank you... maybe a little adventure is in order [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:21 AM Flag
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East 21st Street growing up, East 20th Street now [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:11 AM Flag
[ - ] where can I look for a gym teacher/coach/sports instructor to teach my kids to ride bikes, scooters catch and throw. DH is useless 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Preschool/Kids 06.17.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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you need a personal trainer for your kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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LOL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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why can't you? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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What a sad post [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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how about you? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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get a teenager to play outside with them a little bit. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:34 AM Flag
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hire a manny [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:35 AM Flag
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why can't you do it? it's not rocket science. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:39 AM Flag
[ - ] you know when you overreact and are very snippety about something and then you feel stupid afterward? well, i did that with a real estate agent and i'm feeling very dumb. 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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yes. i think i'd just apologize [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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re agents have seen it all [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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it is never too late for an apology [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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op: i don't feel like apologizing. especially b/c it was more of a tone than anything specific i said. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:36 AM Flag
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I did that with my real estate agent, just lost my patience with her but was nastier than the situation required. I apologized, she accepted, and we moved on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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did you work with her again? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:34 AM Flag
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We sort of understand - its a very emotional business so we have seen a lot [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:31 AM Flag
[ - ] is freshdirect.com down? 0 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:27 AM Flag
[ - ] Why is it better to be in a g&t program than a general ed program in public school? I saw a post about this, but can't remember. it had something to do with NCLB and testing?? 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.17.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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In a good G&T program they don't need to spend as much time prepping for the math and ELA tests as in general eds, so they can focus on a broader curriculum. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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Nothing to do with NCLB. Everything to do with peer group IMO. But - it depends on the G&T program and it depends on the gen ed program. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:33 AM Flag
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It isn't always. In my experience at PS116, there were years when she would have done better in one of the gen ed classes there. Very teacher-dependent. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:35 AM Flag
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In last year's pre K class my ds was reading when class mates didn't recognize their own names. This year, in his G&T, he is one of the better readers but certainly not the only one at his level. So the teacher can work with him and peers at once. There are appropriate materials for them. Etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:40 AM Flag
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Teachers can work with kids at different reading levels in gen ed as well in K. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:46 AM Flag
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np. This is the standard line, but I've seen how it works in practice, and the reality is that the advanced dc in general eds are typically left to "work independently" or with a classmate while the other dc get most of the teacher's hands-on attention. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:58 AM Flag
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it is not in general but sometimes the particular G&T your kid can in to is better than the particular zoned school your kid can get in to [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:54 AM Flag
[ - ] I masturbated with sex toys for my dh last night...so hot! 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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first time? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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Who initiated that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:34 AM Flag
[ - ] Dd will be 3 in September. For the last few months she has started telling us that she is a boy and she will even talk in this really low voice. She will do it for a whole day. Today, we were at at playdate and one of the other girls started saying "She thinks she is a boy!" and all the other moms looked at me with these expressions like they had talked about it. They then started asking me, "why do you think she does that?" It was clear that they had all had some sort of discussion about her saying this. Is her behavior completely abnormal? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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no, not abnormal. laugh it off. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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seems normal to me. My 3 yo thought she was a boy for a while. She doesn't pretend to be a boy, but she has variously pretended to be a wolf, a dolphin, or a dog at playdates... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:25 AM Flag
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Did she do it consistently? Our dd does a lot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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Not sure if it's abnormal, but people are always paranoid about gender issues. Maybe you could talk with your ped and ask what he/she thinks. I know that won't solve the issue with the other mothers, but frankly - fuck the other mothers and their narrow gossiping minds. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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i think the gender thing makes people uncomfortable. my dd's friend spent 6 months insisting she was dora. she'd get offended if anyone called her by her real name or called her sister anything but "boots." i don't think pretending to be a boy is any different. but people react more strongly to that kind of thing just like they react more strongly to biting than they do to hitting. (and, if you think about it - both biting and hitting are simply forms of aggression - neither is objectively better or worse than the other.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:40 AM Flag
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Those moms need to get a clue. At 3 yo no one should be reading any deep meaning into that sort of behavior. Might it mean something? Possibly. Might it mean nothing? Possibly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:44 AM Flag
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Funny, apparently I did this and kept it up for a few years. My uncle was convinced something was wrong with me and consulted a friend who was a child psych. I outgrew it and ended up pretty femenine. My parents just let me do my own thing and rode it out. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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it could be run of the mill stuff or she could truly have gender displacement issues. It happens. She might turn out to be transgender. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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Tell them she really wants to be president and is convinced this is her best chance. Then kick one of them in the head. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:38 AM Flag
[ - ] 14 weeks preg with number 2, forgot when u can find out the sex....is it 16 weeks? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Expecting 06.17.08, 09:21 AM Flag
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18, I think. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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What's the best lightweight double stroller out there? Looking for a very lightweight one...... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
[ - ] any consultants? i work by the hour. if i finished my work and am standing around for a half hour waiting to talk to the director about what i've done, do i charge for that half hour? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:21 AM Flag
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if he wanted to talk to you before you left, then yes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:21 AM Flag
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okay. that's what i thought. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:22 AM Flag
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Yup. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:22 AM Flag
[ - ] vent. i work for a corporate library and people think they can keep our materials indefinitely. we send out memos asking for material to be returned and they don't even read the memos. it's a problem for us and also is kind of insulting. 11 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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send a memo telling them at what time the messenger will be there to pick up the materials and where they should leave it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:20 AM Flag
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they don't have it. they take it home (normal and allowed). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:21 AM Flag
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still, tell them it will be picked up tomorrow. People need to have such things PUT on their agendae [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:22 AM Flag
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i'll try to be more aggressive. but that's where the insulting thing comes in. a lot of people think that the corporate library is here to serve them (which is true) but they translate that into "therefore i don't have to adhere to your rules, you have to adhere to my wishes". they just don't care. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:25 AM Flag
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corp librarian here--there really is an idea that we are just servants [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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it's upsetting b/c we end up looking bad when people come in for materials and we don't have them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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I hear you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:34 AM Flag
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Public shaming works - start a weekly email to entire company list stating who owes materials. My office started doing this for travel receipts, it works. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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op: i can see why that would work. were people really upset about it? how big is your company? we have a relatively small company and it would be pretty personal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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50 people in company. People were pissed. But when you act like a child, you get treated like one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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thanks. i'm going to think about doing that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:35 AM Flag
[ - ] I have a distant relative who lives in my neighborhood. She really wants a close relationship with my kids. Whenever we run into her they are shy around her and she starts guilt tripping me about how it's because she doesn't see them enough, etc. The thing is, she's a bit odd (though very nice) and my kids aren't really that comfortable with her. She wants to do things like pick them up from school and babysit but I know they wouldn't be happy. She had no children of her own. What should I say to her? 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:15 AM Flag
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avoid eye contact and pretend like you don't know her [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:16 AM Flag
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thanks....not. so not possible. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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i wouldn't discuss the issue but i would start inviting her for dinner on a weekday night. maybe every other week or every three weeks. the kids will get used to seeing her around and you won't be pressured to let her do stuff like pick them up from school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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invite her over more often. if she really is nice, your kids may come to like her, she could be a fondly remembered babysitter - "kooky aunt Betty" or something like that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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np: Yep, my favorite aunt is the crazy one who took pills! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:21 AM Flag
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op: she's not the kooky type. She's very quiet, new-agey (nothing wrong with that) and maybe not that comfortable with kids? I'm not sure what it is really. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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do you like her? if others saw your interactions with her, would they think you liked her? my guess is that you are not all that comfortable with her yourself and your kids sense that..and that is why they are not willingly accepting her. kids are very keen on things of that nature. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:25 AM Flag
[ - ] I feel the black cloud of depression creeping up on me. Is there any sort of over-the-counter stimulant I can take? I'm on prozac, but apparently it ain't working. 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:13 AM Flag
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read the secret [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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yes, it'll make you laugh and you'll feel better. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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higher dose of prozac [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:15 AM Flag
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A stimulant may not work against whatever chemical imbalance is making you depressed. (For example, when I was on Wellbutrin, I was hyper and buzzed - but still depressed.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:15 AM Flag
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more prozac. and stop drinking if you are. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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exercise [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:57 AM Flag
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and more sun [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:02 AM Flag
[ - ] argh. We are trying to refinance our mortgage, and our bank said that Verizon submitted something negative to a credit agency. When dh called Verizon to find out why, they had no idea and said they'd have to "research it". We've paid all our bills on time, so this is clearly an error on their part. Sooo annoying. 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:13 AM Flag
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That sucks. Banks are trying to get out of qualifying mortgages any way they can these days, so request to see the credit report if you haven't seen it yet. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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I don't blame the bank, but we did just get the mortgage maybe 7 months ago, and we've paid it down a bunch, so between the paydown and the change in rates, refinancing would make a big difference in our monthly payment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:37 AM Flag
[ - ] DH got laid off, yippeeee now we can move out of the city and have a normal lifestyle with a home and backyard!! 17 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:12 AM Flag
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congrats! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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hmm. not sure how to respond to this one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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DH worked all the time (comm. real-estate), and hated job, plus has a new job anyhow. I am just so over NYC!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:16 AM Flag
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great! bye! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:19 AM Flag
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then congratulations. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:19 AM Flag
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you will never regret it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:15 AM Flag
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congrats? Where did dh work? I heard Citi & GS were doing layoffs this week. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:16 AM Flag
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wow. and congrats i think. where you going to go? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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DC [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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DC? sorry to rain on your parade but DC is going to have new set of issues for you waiting. DC isn't large enough like NYC for you not to care about the jones'. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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I love dc, there are jones' everywhere you go. A ton of people here on UB certainly wouldn't agree with you about NYC and not bothering to keep up with the Jones' [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:37 AM Flag
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we moved to Dc and were back shortly thereafter..snoooze...very cliquey too...and boring. if you are doing hte burbs try for bethesda/rockville vs. northern va - imo much nicer but $$$ and kind of snobby; Northern VA is redneckish [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:38 AM Flag
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You're crazy, Northern Va is a MUCH better commute into the city and Arlington and Alexandria are much nicer than rockville. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:41 AM Flag
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i'm sorry - i actually didn't mean rockville - what's that other nice suburb that is close to bethesda?? the one closest to DC? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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Honestly, I can't think of anything as nice as Bethesda in MD, maybe you're thinking of Takoma Park? That's a cute area, but a bit small for my tastes. I live in Del Ray (a neighborhood in Alexandria) and love it. Lots of families, a ton to do, great community activities, a metro and only 10 minutes from downtown DC by car (not during rush hour). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:51 AM Flag
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i meant chevy chase [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:52 AM Flag
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NYC sucks the big smelly dong. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:21 AM Flag
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