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Thank you so much for being a valued member of the UrbanBaby community. We wanted to inform you that we are shutting down the site on July 6th. We are grateful for your participation and support that has helped make UrbanBaby such an important resource to parents for many years.

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[ - ] SIL distilled dh's last six months of work experience to "So you're working with pygmies..." Fwiw, he was working with indigenous tribes in South and Central america. 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:36 PM Flag
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so, he's working with pygmies [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:37 PM Flag
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so he is working with pygmies? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:37 PM Flag
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op here... i have to admit. every time i hear it repeated, i still laugh. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:38 PM Flag
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np it is pretty funny [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:40 PM Flag
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i'm not sure if it's funnier as a joke or the fact that she means it as a joke to make fun of dh but has no idea where pygies live. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:43 PM Flag
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^^or that pygmies aren't really called pygmies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:43 PM Flag
[ - ] What, exactly, is G&T? (sorry, but i'm not kidding) 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:32 PM Flag
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Gifted and talented. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:33 PM Flag
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gifted and talented. public schools are required to have special classes for the kids who fall into this category....the kids are considered special needs. in NYC, people have to test into the classrooms and it gets really insane (especially this year) since parents teach the kids about the test and prep them. believe me, it's good reason to leave NYC! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:34 PM Flag
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yeah... we left with the whole hullabalo of getting dd into pre-school. that is just too much for me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:34 PM Flag
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Where'd you move to? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:46 PM Flag
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that's a long story. we had been in central america. left and are now back in the US. but only for a short time. i think we're heading to south america soon. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:47 PM Flag
[ - ] Just to put some of these test scores in perspective, my ds took the OLSATS last year AND this year. Last year he scored in the top % and this year he scored average. Which one is the right result? People tell you over and over again that these tests aren't an adequate way to measure a child's possibilities or intelligence. But unless you test your kid TWICE with very different results each time, it may not hit home for you. 16 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.20.08, 03:15 PM Flag
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ITA. Which is why I really am not looking forward to doing this again in 3 yrs for #2. So much of the outcome is luck. This time around, luck was in our favor. What can you do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:19 PM Flag
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my dc scored a 99 both times. some kids are consistent. some are precocious, and when their peers catch up, they are just average [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:22 PM Flag
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OP: I think you missed the point of my post. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:23 PM Flag
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I am saying the score may be accurate, but your kids' peers have caught up. that doesn't mean other kids are not gifted as measured by the test [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:33 PM Flag
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np: you totally don't get it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:34 PM Flag
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^^^also the test is longer and has more difficult questions. it is possible that the dc was not able to perform on the version that goes beyond what prepping can do [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:35 PM Flag
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the point is that a test that is relied on by DOE for assessing giftedness and awarding placements in G&T SHOULD NOT produce drastically different results (i.e. beyond the standard range of +-10%) in the same child. OP's kid did not go from being "gifted" to being "average" -- if the test says that there is something wrong with the test. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:44 PM Flag
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NP: this is absolutely right. The main criteria for a successful IQ test is reliability over time. Another criteria is consistency in administration... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:46 PM Flag
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nnp. WRONG again. The results from 1 dc taking the test twice tells you NOTHING about the test's reliabilty/validity. Nothing. WTF is with you people who make these statements when you have no idea what you're talking about? I'm so sick of it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:50 PM Flag
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Agreed that a single example of a swing would not be evidence of a tests failure, but reliability is a criteria of validity. You're charming, though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:54 PM Flag
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Reliability doesn't mean there's zero error. There will always be error. And I'm sorry if you're offended by my tone, but I'm really fed up with the level of cluelessness I see here. It wouldn't be so bad if people who don't understand stats and psychometrics simply posted as if they don't understand it. But the way people post as if they're authorities when they have no idea is so aggravating. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 05:04 PM Flag
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Just because you use the words "stats" and "psychometrics" doesn't prove your point. There are a LOT of specialists in education, cognitive psychology and statisticians who also believe that the randomness of the OLSATs and other measures of intelligence makes them useless and sometimes dangerous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 07:10 AM Flag
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dangerous??? LOL!!!!!!!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 01:33 PM Flag
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nnp. OMG, I get so sick of reading these posts from people who have no idea of what they're talking about. Please. Go take a basic stats class, or better yet, buy yourself a psychometrics 101 textbook and read up. You are absolutely WRONG. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:48 PM Flag
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ITA! I would also add again that developemnt is still at play in 4 yos, which limits the reliability of all these tests, including sb/erbs for a 4 yo [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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I can do better. My dc did very well on OLSATs last year but wait-listed for G&T since no spots available. Tested again this year, and BOMBED the test (e.g. got about 1/3 answers right on the non-verbal part). This despite being told by the tester that dc did extremely well, and her teachers saying that dc is the most likely child to get into G&T from the class. I wrote to DOE to review the test, but doubt I will ever hear from them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 07:13 PM Flag
[ - ] 11 mo ds has had clogged tear ducts since birth. Going to see specialist - anyone BTDT? what is he in for? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:09 PM Flag
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If they want to do surgery I would wait a bit. Both my kids had that, one cleared up after just a few months - one was almost 15 mos. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:27 PM Flag
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I waited, hoping ds' clogged tear duct would claer on its own. Dumb move. He needed to have it prbed under anasthesia at almost age 3. Success rates are better if the probing is done early on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:07 PM Flag
[ - ] Want to get out of the city one of the weekends the kids are away at camp. Where can dh and I go? Would love some specific hotel/resort names if possible. 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:02 PM Flag
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mayflower inn in ct [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:21 PM Flag
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is it really amazing? I always see it written up in magazines. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:26 PM Flag
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yes, it's pretty amazing. very focused on the spa, though, so if you aren't a spa person I would go somewhere else. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:27 PM Flag
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How is the Boulders in CT - I think it's less $$$ than the Mayflower but don't know much about it. Any other ideas? I'd love to see water if possible. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:30 PM Flag
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:00 PM Flag
[ - ] who makes top of the line sexy cowboy boots? besides Nicona? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:56 PM Flag
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tacky [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:09 PM Flag
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now, wouldn't that all depend on your dh sexual proclivities? hummm? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:13 PM Flag
[ - ] I'm completely at a loss for words. I have had my heartbroken so many times this year trying to get my DD into a great school. Round 2 ding at Hunter/private school shutout/G&T shutout. It has been such an exhausting experience. The one bright thing I've been holding onto is that my gen ed school is pretty decent (though we wanted so much better for our girl) and her best friend from preschool is going there, so I've been trying to focus on DD and NOT my hurt and anger at the process. Well, find out today from DD that her friend is going to Anderson -- ANDERSON!!! I'm good friends with her mom and she never ever mentioned they were even taking the G&T test! I'm pretty sure she has said she doesn't "believe" in G&T. This is so out of the blue and random I have no idea what to think or do!!! 27 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:52 PM Flag
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I know you're just venting, but you really have to let it go. And, good for your friend. It's no reflection on your dd that her friend got into Anderson. What's your gen ed? My ds is in good gen ed, and he loves it, is doing great, learning a lot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:57 PM Flag
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leave. the. city. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:57 PM Flag
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ITA. Sorry, OP, sounds like you've lost perspective. If you're not happy with the local public school, do your kid a favor, move someplace in the burbs with decent schools -- she will be so thrilled to have a normal life, a backyard, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:14 PM Flag
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Most people start believing in G&T when Anderson is an option. My sympathies. It has been a grueling year for us too filled with near misses and disappointments. It's so hard. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:05 PM Flag
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Be happy you have a decent Gen Ed. Many don't have that much. As for best friends from preschool, 5-year-olds make new friends very quickly. She'll do great. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:11 PM Flag
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OK, I'm on too much, but there was a post a day or 2 ago from someone who claimed to be the mother of an Anderson dd who hadn't yet told the mom of her dd's best friend about it, and had listened to the mom talk about the application process but never told her that her dd was also applying. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:12 PM Flag
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I saw that thread, too. Do you think this is just a little too coincidental? I smell a fake. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:29 PM Flag
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it does sound fake to me too. so it goes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:35 PM Flag
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if this post is not a fake it is really mean of you guys to out that other poster. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:38 PM Flag
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perhaps. but in another sense, sometimes a good hard slap is the best way back to reality. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:39 PM Flag
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if it's not fake, then the op can look it up and see how upset that her friend was for making a mistake... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:48 PM Flag
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i have to admit, i ddin't actually read the whole thing. i got lost as soon as i saw she was heartbroken about schools. i read a bit further. skimmed the rest. is exhausting to even read. imagine living it. i think calling this fake is wishful thinking. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:50 PM Flag
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good point! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:51 PM Flag
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np. Sorry, but I think this OP is a fake. She's trying to yank the chain of the OP from a few days ago. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:37 PM Flag
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I think that you're right b/c she didn't even seem shocked that her "friend" posted her a couple days ago... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:39 PM Flag
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I agree with all the other posters that you need to let it go. On the other hand, knowing how stressful this process is, any good friend (or real friend, better put) would have been as up front about their intentions as you. It's weird that she didn't tell you her kid took the test. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:17 PM Flag
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listen to OP - would you wan to deal with that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:34 PM Flag
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How come she never mentioned that they were doing the G&T process? That seems weird to withhold something like that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:18 PM Flag
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because who would want to have to compete with this mom? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:29 PM Flag
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You are out of control. If not getting your preferred school for your kid leaves you "heartbroken" you need a reality check. Get a life. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:28 PM Flag
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Try to have some perspective. It's kindergarten! Your DD can still be whatever she wants to be. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:29 PM Flag
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huh this sounds like the friend of the women earlier this week freaking out about how to tell her friend that she tested for g&t on a lark and her dd got in.... We all ripped that friend a new one when it happened... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:39 PM Flag
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I feel for you, period. The emotions are so mixed, entangled, all that. It's got to be hard. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:55 PM Flag
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A friend of mine released a soit at LIttle Red this week, if that helps. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:27 PM Flag
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your dd didn't make the G&T cutoff or she did and you didn't rank all your choices? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:42 PM Flag
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Look, it is NOT your friend's fault. She got her kid tested just in case. But she got Anderson. How can you let go of that opportunity. You cannot resent others for their good fortune. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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What district are you that you got SO from G&T?? What was your DD's score?? What district choices did you put down?? I know it must be difficult to hear about A and it is odd that friend did not mention it, but if you want a G&T be persistent and you could still get a slot over the summer (yes, I know there is no wait list but try and see what happens.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 06:53 PM Flag
[ - ] in UES, where do you send your dd to ballet school? is there recital there? do you like this school? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.20.08, 02:51 PM Flag
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we loved Ballet Academy East, 92nd or so and 3rd ave. No recital for the 2 and 3 year olds but don't know about the older kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:10 PM Flag
[ - ] what is the difference between traditional school and progressive school? which one is better? 15 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.20.08, 02:46 PM Flag
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neither is better. It all depends on your dc and what kind of learner they are. Some kids do better in a traditional setting others in a progressive setting. My dc is in a progressive after being in a traditional. So much better for her [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:47 PM Flag
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thanks. but what is the difference? can you give me an example? such as curriculum. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:49 PM Flag
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the curriculum is basically the same it's the way things are taught that differs. For instance in my dc traditional preK it was about work sheets, memorizing letters and numbers, sitting at her table while the teacher taught, she wasn't really allowed to question if something can be done another way. The teacher would say we learn it this way. In her progressive school the kids are participants in the learning process. They are encouraged to voice their ideas and they actually try out the ideas to see if the same outcome is reached. PPL say progressives are good for thos kids who are self starters, works well in groups, ect. YOur best bet is to tour both kinds of schools and see them in action [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:55 PM Flag
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Sounds like your traditional was on the more extreme side. Just like some progressives can be. The best schools encorporate a bit of both. The parochial schools are usually at the far end of the traditional spectrum and the Steiner/Waldorf's are at the far end of the progressive spectrum. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:13 PM Flag
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or: yes you are right..this was my experience with my dd traditional school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:32 PM Flag
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np. What school was your dc at for pre-K? Your characterization of it sounds highly exaggerated. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:34 PM Flag
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ohmigod. I'm an educator, and this preschool sounds awful. What was it? Any serious educator knows that worksheets in preschool are horrible, anti-developmental. children should be exploring. in centers, etc. Not sitting at a table memorizing stuff and doing worksheets! my lord. Please tell us the name of this school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 06:08 PM Flag
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np. Sounds like Garden House to me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 06:46 PM Flag
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GHS mom here and that is nothing like Garden House. Garden House is more like the progressive description above. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 06:55 PM Flag
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Kids are more likely to get letter grades earlier at a traditional school than a progressive school. There may also be more tests/fewer projects as a means of assessing at a traditional school. Another difference is that traditional schools may choose text books rather than more "primary sources" for learning. I hope this helps a bit. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:59 PM Flag
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Curricula (especially in social studies) can vary quite a bit between traditional and progressive schools. A traditional school is more likely to have a set group of material covered and to cover a broad range of subject matter (a so-called classical curriculum). A progressive approach may take something like the Maya or the Hudson River and spend an entire school year looking at different aspects of this subject. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:26 PM Flag
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Also, even the most [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:22 PM Flag
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^^traditional schools have incorporated the best parts of progressive ed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:23 PM Flag
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but they are still pretty traditional. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 06:09 PM Flag
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Here's something on the subject: Traditional schools believe that, by the time students graduate, they should have been exposed a certain body of information and they will all be expected to know the same facts. They will be quizzed and tested to make sure they have acquired these facts. Progressive schools believe students learn best by constructing their own knowledge. That means exposing them to a topic and then letting them investigate that topic and learn on their own, generally through lots of hands on activities or self-directed research. Traditional schools tend to cover a lot of information, while progressive schools tend to pick fewer topics and allow students to delve into them deeply. Some private schools (such as Dalton) begin with a progressive approach in the lower school and then switch to a traditional method of teaching in the upper school. “Traditional schools see their role as transmitting knowledge,” writes Clara Hemphill in her book, New York City’s Best Public High Schools. “They emphasize what teachers call `content’—dates in history, formulas in math, good grammar and spelling, knowledge of the periodic table in chemistry…Progressive schools, on the other hand, seek to give students the tools they need to gather and analyze information to weigh evidence from different sources, and to form their own opinions. These schools emphasize `process’—developing the skills needed to research a problem, rather than knowledge per se.” Progressive educators believe kids should not be “passive vessels,” simply learning what the teacher teaches them. Instead, they should be actively participating in their own education. In an ideal educational environment kids would be taught “both broad general knowledge and analytical skills,” Hemphill writes. She warns what “inadequate traditional schools treat education as a list of facts to be mastered. Inadequate progressive schools, on the other hand, encourage kids to voice their opinions—even if they haven’t read the books on which their opinions should be based. Inadequate traditional schools can be oppressive, while inadequate progressive schools can be chaotic and unchallenging.” Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 at 10:03 by Registered CommenterHelicopter Mom | CommentsPost a Comment | EmailEmail | PrintPrint [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:09 PM Flag
[ - ] OMG when are they going to change this site to how it use to be....I keep trying but it sucks... 12 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:36 PM Flag
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I heard it happens when the 6,878th person complains. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:43 PM Flag
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yes this place is like a HARE..slow as hell [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:44 PM Flag
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I don't get the simile. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:45 PM Flag
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or: you know the old story how the Hare started out fast...then got too cocky and fell asleep. I feel this place fell asleep after the change [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:46 PM Flag
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So, the hare is not in fact slow, just asleep? Maybe it's a trick. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:48 PM Flag
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yes he doesn't start out slow but slows down then falls asleep [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:48 PM Flag
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He slows down? I thought he got cocky and then went to sleep. This stuff is tricky. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:00 PM Flag
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well he slowed down to do something (I forge what it was). That was being cocky..then he fell asleep. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:01 PM Flag
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ITA. I can't believe more people aren't posting on an internet message board on a Friday afternoon/evening. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:47 PM Flag
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The only thing that sucks about it how few people post anymore. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:27 PM Flag
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ITA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:39 PM Flag
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you know that there has been a mass exodus, right? i know where everyone went... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:37 PM Flag
[ - ] does anyone here have a precocious redheaded 6 year old? also 3 older step children? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:35 PM Flag
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me. What's it to you? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:04 PM Flag
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ya, but minus the red hair. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:07 PM Flag
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looking for a friend.. are you also pg, nyc, and just visited London? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:12 PM Flag
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nah. just pulling your leg [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:18 PM Flag
[ - ] Do dc in LL attend any math competition? in which grade? 16 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.20.08, 02:33 PM Flag
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any LL mom on? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:45 PM Flag
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I have to say, it was questions like this on the LL tour that turned me off the school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:39 PM Flag
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why? it is good for dc to attend the national math competition. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 06:59 PM Flag
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gag me [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 07:05 PM Flag
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Yes. Kindergarten. It's mandatory. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:56 PM Flag
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I mean the national math competition. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 06:59 PM Flag
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Most math competitions start in 6th grade, so LL kids would be too young. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 07:50 PM Flag
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thanks. I remember I saw somewhere it says LL dcs go to national math competition,but could not remember where, or maybe wrong information. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:01 PM Flag
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Maybe it was about Upper Lab kids? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:06 PM Flag
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is upper lab a good school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:09 PM Flag
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Yes. It's the first choice for many in D2 for middle school, plus it goes up to 12th grade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:11 PM Flag
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thanks. upper lab and Nest middle school, which one is better? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:15 PM Flag
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If you're talking about this fall, I would go Upper Lab (or the other popular choice East Side Middle School). If you're talking about in 7 years, who knows at that time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:21 PM Flag
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^^^Oh, and I have to say that I have no experience in any of those schools. I'm just picking UL over NEST now because of the longer, better track record of UL. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:21 PM Flag
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I only care about things in 7 years. but I want to know something about now. what are other popular choice middle school in NYC? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:22 PM Flag
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The best would be Hunter but they don't accept kids until 7th grade. In D3, on the UWS, Delta is very popular. Anderson of course is but they don't accept many kids for 6th grade so it's tough to get in. There's an insideschools blogger who likes Clinton School for Writers & Artists and MAT, both for D2. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:26 PM Flag
[ - ] I'm sorry but new format for UB suck. Can't get used to it. 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:30 PM Flag
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I believe in you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:33 PM Flag
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i think the same thing. also, the newsletters totally suck now. they lost the beautiful illustrations. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:35 PM Flag
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Everything sucks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:41 PM Flag
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Really? It doesn't seem that different to me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:42 PM Flag
[ - ] my 7mo wakes up every morning at 5:30. no matter how early or late he goes to bed. making me crazy. i guess i should just be glad he sleeps all night? i am hoping it will stop once the days get shorter again. 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 02:29 PM Flag
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feel your pain! my 6mo wakes up at 4:00 am no matter when she goes to bed...goes back to bed if I feed her, but I am perma-tired!!! Ugh. Good luck! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 06:06 PM Flag
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have you tried black out curtains? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 06:07 PM Flag
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