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06.20.08, 15:15 PM NY Schools
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Just to put some of these test scores in perspective, my ds took the OLSATS last year AND this year. Last year he scored in the top % and this year he scored average. Which one is the right result? People tell you over and over again that these tests aren't an adequate way to measure a child's possibilities or intelligence. But unless you test your kid TWICE with very different results each time, it may not hit home for you. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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ITA. Which is why I really am not looking forward to doing this again in 3 yrs for #2. So much of the outcome is luck. This time around, luck was in our favor. What can you do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:19 PM Flag
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my dc scored a 99 both times. some kids are consistent. some are precocious, and when their peers catch up, they are just average [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:22 PM Flag
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OP: I think you missed the point of my post. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:23 PM Flag
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I am saying the score may be accurate, but your kids' peers have caught up. that doesn't mean other kids are not gifted as measured by the test [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:33 PM Flag
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np: you totally don't get it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:34 PM Flag
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^^^also the test is longer and has more difficult questions. it is possible that the dc was not able to perform on the version that goes beyond what prepping can do [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:35 PM Flag
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the point is that a test that is relied on by DOE for assessing giftedness and awarding placements in G&T SHOULD NOT produce drastically different results (i.e. beyond the standard range of +-10%) in the same child. OP's kid did not go from being "gifted" to being "average" -- if the test says that there is something wrong with the test. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 03:44 PM Flag
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NP: this is absolutely right. The main criteria for a successful IQ test is reliability over time. Another criteria is consistency in administration... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:46 PM Flag
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nnp. WRONG again. The results from 1 dc taking the test twice tells you NOTHING about the test's reliabilty/validity. Nothing. WTF is with you people who make these statements when you have no idea what you're talking about? I'm so sick of it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:50 PM Flag
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Agreed that a single example of a swing would not be evidence of a tests failure, but reliability is a criteria of validity. You're charming, though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:54 PM Flag
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Reliability doesn't mean there's zero error. There will always be error. And I'm sorry if you're offended by my tone, but I'm really fed up with the level of cluelessness I see here. It wouldn't be so bad if people who don't understand stats and psychometrics simply posted as if they don't understand it. But the way people post as if they're authorities when they have no idea is so aggravating. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 05:04 PM Flag
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Just because you use the words "stats" and "psychometrics" doesn't prove your point. There are a LOT of specialists in education, cognitive psychology and statisticians who also believe that the randomness of the OLSATs and other measures of intelligence makes them useless and sometimes dangerous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 07:10 AM Flag
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dangerous??? LOL!!!!!!!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 01:33 PM Flag
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nnp. OMG, I get so sick of reading these posts from people who have no idea of what they're talking about. Please. Go take a basic stats class, or better yet, buy yourself a psychometrics 101 textbook and read up. You are absolutely WRONG. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 04:48 PM Flag
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ITA! I would also add again that developemnt is still at play in 4 yos, which limits the reliability of all these tests, including sb/erbs for a 4 yo [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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I can do better. My dc did very well on OLSATs last year but wait-listed for G&T since no spots available. Tested again this year, and BOMBED the test (e.g. got about 1/3 answers right on the non-verbal part). This despite being told by the tester that dc did extremely well, and her teachers saying that dc is the most likely child to get into G&T from the class. I wrote to DOE to review the test, but doubt I will ever hear from them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 07:13 PM Flag
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