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[ - ] anyone have experience with sleepaway camp for older kids? we're looking at camps for next summer (registration starts this sept for some!) - really great ones are $5,000 for 3 1/2 weeks and the YMCA ones not on lakes work out to be about $2,000 for the same period (traditional single sex ones in Maine with cabins, YMCA ones in tents). Is it really worth the $ difference to do the traditional/lakeside/cabin ones?? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:52 PM Flag
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^ for ages 8-12 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:53 PM Flag
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You should go onto the Am Camping Assn web-site, you can select options and search for camps by cost, location, activities etc. You should VISIT this summer with your dc while camp is in session. This is essential with an older kid. You will see there are vast differences which are not apparent in the web-sites. (Kids aimlessly wandering around, filthy bathrooms, and you name it.) Signed mom of teens who have both been to several camps. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:56 PM Flag
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thanks, awesome. We did visit Camp Manitou last weekend and really like it -- I personally went to Y Camps on Cape Cod, but don't remember having the deep, longer term friendships that these more $$, traditional camps seem to foster [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:58 PM Flag
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^ plus emphasis on sports (some boys camps track kids' sports rankings, prizes, etc) and have boys from 25+ states, counselors from other countries. I was impressed. Not even TT Manhattan schools can boast that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:59 PM Flag
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Camps don't have to be $$ to foster the lt relationships. DD went to Jewish themed camp for 7 years, it was not $$. Pembroke in MA. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 08:06 PM Flag
[ - ] How many days do you stay in the hospital after natural child birth...WITH LOTS OF DRUGS? 18 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Expecting 07.18.08, 07:20 PM Flag
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Hmm, don't know if you're talking about birthing centers, I know that one at Roosevelt doesn't administer drugs, if they do you're kicked down to regular L&D. Oh yeah, I think the birthing centers usually want you out of there ASAP, like 12 hrs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:23 PM Flag
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I didn't stay more than 8 hours or so. I did a birthing center and feel very fortunate I could. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:25 PM Flag
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OP: I'm delivering at St. Lukes Roosevelt, not in the birthing center, do I still say it's natural if I'm using drugs? 12 hrs, wow! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:29 PM Flag
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You don't have to defend your choices but I'd avoid labels. I was thrilled to go home that quickly. Everything went well and we were more than ready to leave. I did have a doula at home for 3 hours a day for a couple days and that was nice. She cooked and helped me with bf, massages etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:36 PM Flag
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I really don't care what people think about my choice in using an epidural or drugs..but I am curious if it is called something different, like I should't be referring to it as natural, I really am just trying to say it's not a c-section (at least it's not yet). I really don't care how they get this baby out, just get it out and give me pain meds! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:44 PM Flag
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No, "natural birth" means no drugs. You are talking about vaginal vs c-section. I always wanted to leave as soon as possible - much more restful at home so after first left the 2nd day & the next two times the same day I gave birth. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 08:05 PM Flag
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Ok then I'm not NATURAL!For sure! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 08:13 PM Flag
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Roosevelt, not the birthing center, 48 hours [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 05:52 AM Flag
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NP, no you say vaginal - but natural means without meds. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 05:53 AM Flag
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I had epidural all three times...with #1 I made the mistake of staying two nights. With #2, I gave birth at 11 pm and left at 10 am the next morning. With #3 I delivered at 6 am so I had to stay that whole entire day, and next night and left at noon the following day. You have to be really vocal about getting out and keep insisting. Otherwise they are too busy discharging the people who are supposed to leave to bother with you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:30 PM Flag
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thank you [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:36 PM Flag
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Isn't that an oxymoron? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:47 PM Flag
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what? natural and drugs? That's what I'm asking!!!! When people ask me if I'm going to go natural or have a C-Section, I never know what to say, do I say vaginal? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:53 PM Flag
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I was so grateful to be able to stay in the hospital! 2 days is the norm, I believe (that's what I did at Roosevelt). I'd ask my OB. --p.s. I'd say vaginal or "regular" birth, rather than "natural", if it matters... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 08:12 PM Flag
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thank you that's what I was asking, "regular" sounds good [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 08:15 PM Flag
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actually it doesn't. It will piss c section folks off - stick with vaginal [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 05:54 AM Flag
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I left after 24 hours. You can leave immediately - but the hospital strong armed me by saying that db could not leave for 24 hours - which can't be legal - as a mom, I'm sure I have a right to refuse medical services for my dc - but - 24 hours was ok enough. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 05:51 AM Flag
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Stayed 3 days with first (c-section), 2 days with second (natural-no drugs), even though doc said I could leave pretty much immediately if I wanted. My advice is stay in the hospital for at least two nights--it's great to have people to take care of you and db for a couple of days so you can really rest. Once you get home, it's all you--and it's tough. If you can bear the thought of sending db to the nursery for the night, DO IT! It's the last time for a while you'll get a full night's sleep. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 08:43 AM Flag
[ - ] anyone leave nanny money for lunch? how much do you give? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:10 PM Flag
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i did not. i told my nanny to write down what she needed for her personal groceries every week and she did. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 10:07 PM Flag
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$10 for the nanny, Nannies son, and ,my child. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 11:30 PM Flag
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Wow. That's great! And at night you can all get together an watch an episode of "The Waltons". [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 01:57 AM Flag
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Why doesn't the nanny make herself lunch when she makes your child lunch or bring her own lunch. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 02:26 AM Flag
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No wonder you change nannies that often. You sound like a bitch. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 04:16 AM Flag
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I always found that it was better to give more money on a weekly basis then to pay extra for nannies lunch and commute - I would make this clear up front. Quite frankly, I would feel like she was pocketing the lunch money and that would annoy me. I always told her to make a list of food she wanted in the house for lunch and/or breakfast. This was 2 years ago, I have since stopped working. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 04:43 AM Flag
[ - ] Before you went into labor did you notice an unusally increased amount of baby movement?My baby is moving all over the place and I'm getting all sorts of twitches and pains, but none that seem like labor..37 weeks. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Expecting 07.18.08, 07:09 PM Flag
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noticed slight decrease is movement around that time, but my baby was pretty active until the end. doesn't mean anything, i was induced at 41 wks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:13 PM Flag
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OP: just wishful thinking! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:15 PM Flag
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the opposite, baby was too big to do much moving [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 05:56 AM Flag
[ - ] Do you recognize this playground. I think it looks beautiful and clean, but it doesnt say where its located. http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_things_to_do/facilities/af_playgrounds.html 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 07.18.08, 07:08 PM Flag
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are you a stalker or private investigator? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:23 PM Flag
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no, just trying to take my daughter to a nice park besides what I can find here in the south bronx. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:25 PM Flag
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Have you been to Franz Sigal park? It's at 158 and the Grand Concourse and has beautiful mature trees and wide lawns. (It's just up the hill from Yankee Stadium.) For playgrounds, try the nearby Joyce Kilmer Park (around 163 and the Concourse). The playground is at the north end of the park. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 08:53 PM Flag
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given the heavy brush of pines in the background, I'd say Westchester or New Jersey [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:33 PM Flag
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there is one very similar to that at Van Cortlands Park at the end of the 1 line [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:39 PM Flag
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They have the photo tagged. It's the playground for all children in the Bronx. Just roll your mouse over the image and the tag pops up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 09:10 PM Flag
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Playground For All Children (Pelham Bay Park) Bruckner Expy and Buhre Ave [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 09:12 PM Flag
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I can't get this with a Mac. Thanks for the info (not OP, but in the Bronx also). Bronx has more parkland per person than any other borough. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 09:18 PM Flag
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Interesting--there's a playground in the Bronx named for Winston Churchill's mother (the American Jennie Jerome, from the family that Jerome Avenue is named after). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 06:37 AM Flag
[ - ] How many ounces of formula (no flames please) should a 1 mth old be drinking per day? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:07 PM Flag
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I think 2-3 oz [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:29 PM Flag
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oops, I meant 2-3 oz per feeding [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:30 PM Flag
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mine took 4oz 5 times per day [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:43 PM Flag
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Mine took 2-3 oz at a time, and ate ever 3-4 hours. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:46 PM Flag
[ - ] Did you lose your post-preg "pouch" and how long did it take? (c-sec fwiw) 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:05 PM Flag
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no. 2 yrs. pp. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:06 PM Flag
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C-section. Kind of lost the pouch, it's very small. But I lost the pg weight very fast from BF and weigh even less now than I did before I was pg (at 5 mos post-delivery) and at least 2 lb or more of my weight is in my chest [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:39 PM Flag
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Weight is gone. Hanging pooch of skin is still their. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:40 PM Flag
[ - ] when does the new season of entourage start? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:01 PM Flag
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Around Labor Day [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:05 PM Flag
[ - ] torn between bridesmaid gowns - this is my dress - http://www.maggiesottero.com/dress.aspx?showAll=1&style=A3225 - these are the bridesmaid gowns - http://shop.nordstrom.com/S/2993459/0~2376776~2374327~2374331~6014150?mediumthumbnail=Y&origin=category&searchtype=&pbo=6014150&P=1 - http://shop.nordstrom.com/S/2970148/0~2376776~2374327~2374331~6014150?mediumthumbnail=Y&origin=category&searchtype=&pbo=6014150&P=2 - i just dont know if either really work well with my dress 14 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 07.18.08, 06:47 PM Flag
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wow with your gold bridal gown and that golden dress with the purple accents, your wedding will be so elegant and formal - in a good way [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:50 PM Flag
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if i were a bridesmaid i would rather wear the white one - plus i think it is intersting that you are opting to wear gold while the bridesmaids would wear the white [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:54 PM Flag
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Neither - the first one is two similar to your dress - like the small scale version - and the second is totally different. And wow - expensive! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:56 PM Flag
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yeah, i was kind of thinking that about the first dress but it looked so great on the girls and matched with my wedding so well - the second one was just a last ditch choice. i can't find anything that works with my dress. i am getting married in the fall and i need to find something asap! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:58 PM Flag
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What are your colors (flowers, invites, table linens) I'm going to find you something. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:59 PM Flag
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you - i love! obviously gold, possibly a soft white/ivory, and then torn between black/brown/deep purple [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:04 PM Flag
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I'll be back [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:04 PM Flag
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Does it need to be full length? This one enhances your dress but doesn't steal any thunder, I am finding some other good choices so don't go.http://shop.nordstrom.com/S/2991071/0~2376776~2374327~6005464~6005511~6005548?mediumthumbnail=Y&origin=category&searchtype=&pbo=6005548&P=1 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:08 PM Flag
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that's kind of nice - i was just focusing on full length because we had more luck with those since my gown is pretty glitzy - i don't want the girls to look neglected, i want them looking great too [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:12 PM Flag
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Yes, but your gown has a lot of fabric and in my mind I keep seeing pictures of the bridal party and the bride that are just filled with fabric. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:14 PM Flag
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oh wow that actually would work really well with everything - you are amazing! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:14 PM Flag
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^ oops meant that post for the second dress [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:16 PM Flag
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I don;t even like this dress - but of everything I've seen it is the best complement to your dress in color and cut. But your bridesmaids will revolt. http://shop.nordstrom.com/S/2980700/0~2376776~2374327~6005464~6005511~6005548?mediumthumbnail=Y&origin=category&searchtype=&pbo=6005548&P=1 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:13 PM Flag
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I would let each woman choose a full length black dress that flatters their figure. Black with your gold will look great! That is what I did at my wedding and everyone was happy and it looked terrific. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 09:22 PM Flag
[ - ] Poll: Wohm's, what is your profession? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:45 PM Flag
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teacher [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:46 PM Flag
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Admissions (private school -- not NYC!) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:58 PM Flag
[ - ] where do people shop for good button down shirts that don't cost $200 and that don't fall apart after you wear them twice? TIA. 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 07.18.08, 06:43 PM Flag
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macy's, century 21, bloomingdales. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:46 PM Flag
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thanks! any particular brands that are good? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:51 PM Flag
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Lands End [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:02 PM Flag
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Eddie Bauer and Nordstrom [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:39 PM Flag
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I buy mine in the boys dept at Brooks Brothers - only $50 & they last forever (& you don't even have to iron them!) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 08:07 PM Flag
[ - ] What do you wear when you go ice skating in the summer? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:43 PM Flag
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less sequins than in winter because the sun can be blinding [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:51 PM Flag
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LOL. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 08:23 PM Flag
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a bikini and a tiara...even if you are a man. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 08:27 PM Flag
[ - ] did anyone hear the thing about anbesol being bad for babies b/c when you put it on their gums and then the babies salivate with the anbesol mixed in and they swallow, it numbs their throats and some of them suffocate as a result? I heard this 3rd hand today, and didn't get a copy of the public service email which is apparently floating around. Is this an urban myth or is there some validity to it? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 07.18.08, 06:41 PM Flag
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did you snopes it? That's new to me [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:45 PM Flag
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good idea - just looked and I don't see anything about it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:50 PM Flag
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not sure, but we never used it. lots of other remedies out there [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 04:41 AM Flag
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My ped said skip it. So, not an urban myth. Ask your ped. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 05:57 AM Flag
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and that was six years ago [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.19.08, 05:58 AM Flag
[ - ] Anybody take a Cape Cod vacation lately? Going for the first time and not sure what to do as far as activities with dc. Any btdt advice? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:40 PM Flag
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We just came back from one and had a great time. We were in East Sandwich and vacationed with several other families so there were lots of kids for dc to play with. We mostly went to the beach every day all day.....kids had a ball. There are lots of fun day trips...had a cape cod booklet and now cannot locate it. Google "things to do in cape code" or "cape cod vacations" you should come up with something. It was a v. nice trip...v. relaxing for all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:49 PM Flag
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great. thanks! looking forward to it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:52 PM Flag
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I live near the beach so i find vacations their a bit redundant, and the lower Cape is very honky tonk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:58 PM Flag
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That's a very helpful comment for someone who's already going there. I didn't ask for your opinion. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:00 PM Flag
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you sound lovely, enjoy your stay in East Dennis [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:01 PM Flag
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judge much? whatever. lol. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 07:03 PM Flag
[ - ] beer me! 0 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:31 PM Flag
[ - ] Taking train to Philadelphia tomorrow. Would it make sense to take my laptop so I can do work on the way there? Or is it more of a subway ride? TIA. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 07.18.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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nj transit? it's slightly better than the subway, and you have to switch in trenton to something that's more like the subway. unless you're taking amtrak, in which case, it's way better than the subway so take your laptop. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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Thanks for your response. Just looked into pricing, and I'm taking nj transit. Guess I'll leave the laptop at home. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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nj transit isn't that bad, it just gets crowded on the weekends - just get to the train station early so you can get your tickets at the machine and then go to the lower level using the stairs under the big board announcing the gates. there are small screens showing the gates down there too and you will avoid the mad rush on the upper level. gl. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 06:46 PM Flag
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