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[ - ] Poll: how much weight did you gain in the final month of pg? My OB told me try not to gain anything! And I've only put on 23 lbs so far... 11 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.13.08, 07:23 AM Flag
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That sounds odd to me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:25 AM Flag
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they're so psycho these days about weight gain. She claims that the difference of even one lb could have a huge effect on whether I can deliver naturally. And there's nothing unusual about my pg. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:29 AM Flag
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that sounds a bit over the top. were you over weight to begin with? I was, and my ob's only comment was to try to keep the gain to under 25lbs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:44 AM Flag
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np: that is such craziness. I gained 40lbs both times and am pg again. My OB never once mentioned anything about my weight gain and btw I was 171 lbs when I got pg. I'm not a skinny woman. Your OB sounds a pit over the top and crazy. My sis is an OB too and she isn't that uptight with her pts [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:12 AM Flag
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I suppose it depends on your pre-pregnancy weight. If you really overweight to begin with, it's not as weird that she would tell you that. But it does seem odd. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:29 AM Flag
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I lost at the end - no room in there [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:30 AM Flag
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Were you overweight to begin with? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:30 AM Flag
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no, just average. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:38 AM Flag
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Then that was unlike any advice I was given. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:41 AM Flag
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your OB sounds like a PITA. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:10 AM Flag
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sounds like you have a woman OB how has body issues [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:12 AM Flag
[ - ] What did you cry about the last time you cried? 12 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:21 AM Flag
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this morning - the fact that i'm pg and dh and i had a fight stemming from stress and feeling overwhelmed. we always fight more at the end of a pg and the first 6 months of db's life and i was frustrated that nothing seems to change this fact. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:23 AM Flag
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that's kind of ironic. to fight about the fact that you are fighting. good luck with the baby [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:24 AM Flag
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no - i was crying about the fact that we were fighting. we were fighting over too much stuff/too little space and the fact that dh thinks his stuff is his responsibility and my stuff + dcs' stuff + the dog's stuff is my responsibility. it's a never ending cycle - we fight about the same crap over and over and over again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:26 AM Flag
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i'm sorry. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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i cried about once a day for two weeks after i miscarried. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:23 AM Flag
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i honestly thing I may have some chem imbalance. i can and do dry at everything although I know it's not that sad a thing... it's like I get choked up at everything... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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^^ I mean "cry" at everything... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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i know someone like this. the mom of dd's friend. i have to literally bite my tongue or hurt myself in some way to keep from giggling when she tears up at the silliest things. like, the girls' teacher coming into work the day after her mom had surgery. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:29 AM Flag
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it really is embarrassing to me... being a worrier I've convinced myself it's a brain tumor on whatever part of the brain control crying [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:31 AM Flag
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i was like that when i was pregnant. would get weepy over the oddest things. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:28 AM Flag
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yesterday in the car driving past a high school graduation situation, all the dressed up grandparents and parents. more because it reminded me of that time in my life (not a good time, but a long ago poignant memory) and maybe a little thinking about my dd being there someday. the week before, cried about miscarriage [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:43 AM Flag
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lol, this morning, which is actually pretty unusual. Free awesome river rafting trip (probably only class I or II rapids) for community members to do a retreat/ community planning work, planning a youth/community center for the area I live in- very cool networking and recreational trip. DH and I both selected to go (weird small community and we both have kind of public jobs). If we don't go the community center might not serve our needs/be lame, and we'd miss out on important networking (all about who you know for jobs around here). The trip is fully paid and in a part of E Oregon that is very cool (we live on the NW coast of OR). But I only have 3 weeks of leave saved up even though I "get" to take 3 months off from work by law for maternity leave (as in, I will be taking 3 months off but all but 3 weeks will be unpaid). So $ will be tight. DH has one week more of leave saved up than I do. If I go on the trip my boss will not count it as work even though it would be work related, but I might switch jobs before then anyways. So DH says he is going, I tell him I'm not. Then I think about it and freak out because the situation implies I will be responsible for everything and be the one making all the sacrifices and this is db #1, basically freaking out. Eventually decided to both go on the trip and just live off the credit card a bit longer than we would have without going since it will be less paid leave for me later (but with such a tiny amount of leave, does it even matter?). Basically, worried about role changes, not being part of the community after db, and if I get the new job, needing to take leave and the extra week off (doesn't that kind of mess up salary negotiations if they know you need other things, like time off, is that how women end up earning 80% on the dollar, etc?) They aren't "allowed" to discriminate on hiring if you're pg, but I am way to cynical to think that doesn't happen. Then there is the taking off a week thing.... is that financially irresponsible or just allowing for a week of fun before baby arrives? And the USA sucks when it comes to maternity leave, why can't we just have it paid so ppl like me don't have to have a breakdown over it? We have both also been working really hard rennovating our house because we can rent out our basement for about 1/3 of our house payment if we finish in time, which would really help pay for daycare (which we are waitlisted for!!!!). I am at 5 months and almost wish it had taken a few months longer to get pg! We have no family nearby either to help out. Lol, and I feel fat! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 11:09 AM Flag
[ - ] i am at work. i am so tired. i am ready to go home. 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:18 AM Flag
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i am at home and ready to go to work... it's always greener somewhere else... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:25 AM Flag
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hmmm, i think it's greener where she is, closer to going home. but it's friday [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:42 AM Flag
[ - ] EBF moms: how many times do you nurse your 11 - 12mo? my db is 11/5 mo and still nursing in morning, bedtime, and middle of night. trying to transition db to cup during the day (she hates bottles) but she will only take water in cup (3-4 oz total in 8 hr period). i also recently stopped pumping at work. can i cut out the middle of night nursing? worried she will not get daily requirement of milk without it. also when did you transition to cow's milk? db hates formula and heard cow's milk tastes a lot better. 11 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:18 AM Flag
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you can start the transition to cow's milk now if you want. but it took a long time for my kids to decide they liked it. one never did. but don't stress too hard about milk consumption. they don't need that much as long as they're getting hydrated and getting nutrition from foods. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:24 AM Flag
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^oh! at 11.5 months i had already started weaning my kids. before the weaning at that age i was nursing 4 times a day. i would start to replace feedings with yogurt snacks - never a bottle or cup - stuff they could eat with a spoon. then i'd still rock or cuddle - just not nurse while i did. i cut out one feeding each week and once i got down to one feeding a day i nursed every other day for a while and maybe every two days until db could go all day and my boobs could go all day w/no nursing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:28 AM Flag
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how much yogurt to replace a feeding? i've tried to rock/cuddle at bedtime instead of nursing, but db starts to fuss and pull at my shirt. and i give in bec i'm a working mom and i wonder if db just wants to reconnect after being apart for 8 hrs. ugh -- i'm so conflicted! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:35 AM Flag
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i truly don't think there is a wrong or right way to go about this. just what works for you. i weaned my first dc way too quickly and was in so much pain, that's why i did the gradual thing i wrote above for the next two. i, honestly, didn't measure the yogurt or keep up with how much - i gave it to them until they didn't want more. i'm assuming about 6 oz or so? my kids have always been on target with weight and growth and development so i've never measured or weighed their food. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:43 AM Flag
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^if your dd is really struggling, maybe don't rock or do anything they way you would while nursing. read her books or play finger play games. stuff that keeps you engaged but doesn't put her face right on your chest. your post just reminded me that i had to do that with my 2nd. she would lift my shirt up in public for months after she was completely weaned. i agree that if that's how a dc feels they connect with you then it's much harder to get them to wean. you just have to decide if you're ok with continuing to nurse longer than you'd planned (and that's FINE) or if you want to teach her that there are other ways to connect with mommy. you just have to remember that it's YOUR child, YOUR body and YOUR decision. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:46 AM Flag
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My dc woke once a night for a feed until he stopped bf completely at 12mo. I would say that giving cows milk at 11.5mo should be fine but ped may say different! If you start giving cows milk in a cup you will know how much dc is drinking. I would not give a cup during the night. When I swapped to cows milk my dc started sleeping through on his own. GL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:24 AM Flag
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did your dc self-wean? my db is so attached to bf and i think weaning her completely now will be tough on her. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:32 AM Flag
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I cut feeds shorter by a few mins every few days so that eventually feeds were very short then I dropped them all together one feed at a time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:40 AM Flag
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i've been trying this and it is harder than i thought to do, esp the night feed at 2am. many times i try to unlatch and DB starts to get really upset, and i feel bad/guilty; or sometimes i feed longer bec i worry DB hasn't drank enough from cup during the day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:50 AM Flag
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Are you really set on weaning her? Because of course you don't have to if it doesn't feel right. While it's not the only way to connect with mommy of course, it can be a very valuable one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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I hope you are feeling solids [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:36 AM Flag
[ - ] DH asking my sister (a teacher) to get his friend (who just bought a $3 mil apt) a discount on stuff. Am I alone in thinking that's so WRONG? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:12 AM Flag
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no. super tacky. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:14 AM Flag
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How icky... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:15 AM Flag
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"icky" LOL! Now there is a word you don't often hear! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:16 AM Flag
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how do you think rich people got rich? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:18 AM Flag
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i see your point - but does the discount come out of the teacher's pocket or some big corp. for whom she's working part time? i don't think anybody, no matter how much $ they have should feel guilty about getting a better deal if you're not screwing over some mom and pop. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:21 AM Flag
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this is a good question [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:24 AM Flag
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i'm a school librarian and there are places i can get a discount if i'm buying to use for school materials. it's not a discount for my personal use. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:25 AM Flag
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You can get discounts a ton of places. Apple has great deals for teachers, Borders has 25% off weekends, ect. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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if you read the fine print, the discounts are for items you are buying to do your work. like if i was buying rewards for the kids, or buying a book with classroom ideas, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:37 AM Flag
[ - ] I know someone who has 1 db (i yr old) and is constantly fighting w/ hubby to the point where cops threatened to take away db. Then they split for awhile, db was never around, didn't give them any $ and they both screwed around with a ton of ppl. Baby is always being watched by grandma - sometimes a few days straight. Now the couple is back together and wants another child. I know it is none of my business but it just angers me. Just had to vent - thanks 10 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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TTC 06.13.08, 07:10 AM Flag
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yuck. That bothers me too. Life is not fair [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:11 AM Flag
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sorry - do you mean for the db? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:12 AM Flag
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yeah but for everyone. I know too many wonderful people who have lost children or cannot have them and then people like this will probably have baby after baby with no effort. Not fair [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:14 AM Flag
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I was thinking the same thing. so god damn annoying and then to top it off they are like bragging about it to everyone not caring about who can't/can have kids [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:16 AM Flag
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yup. Sucks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:16 AM Flag
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thank god for grandma! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:12 AM Flag
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God that's sick [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:13 AM Flag
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I know - glad someone agrees w/ me. Noone around them will ever say anything [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:16 AM Flag
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How old are these two geniuses? Are they stupid, nuts, drug addicted, or all of the above? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:19 AM Flag
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mom is 27 and dad is 33. VERY STUPID!!!!! NUTS YES. not sure about the drugs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:21 AM Flag
[ - ] Hosting baby shower tomorrow for friend - what should I not forget? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:09 AM Flag
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wine [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:10 AM Flag
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cake, stupid games, cutesy decorations [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:10 AM Flag
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to ask one of the participants to take photos of mom-to-be opening presents. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:13 AM Flag
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Ooh - good one! thanks! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:18 AM Flag
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^^oh - and it should be with mom's camera so that there is no delay in getting the photos to her (if possible) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:22 AM Flag
[ - ] Is Inside Schools down for you guys, too? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.13.08, 07:09 AM Flag
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I was able to log on just now (10:50 am). No news over there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:52 AM Flag
[ - ] Where is everyone finding those cute jersey dresses that I see everywhere? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.13.08, 07:03 AM Flag
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funny [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:13 AM Flag
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walmart [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:39 AM Flag
[ - ] i need a new washer + dryer. any recs? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:03 AM Flag
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nothing particular, but don't get a dryer with the lint trap on top! Impossible to keep clean [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:11 AM Flag
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ITA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:14 AM Flag
[ - ] Valco or Phil and Ted's? - please help! I'm looking for a stroller that can be adaptable for two kids, since we're going to try to have a second quickly. Baby Bargains rates Valco the best for a city type of situation (we live in Manhattan and don't have a car) but I hear more about (and see more) Phil and Ted's. I'm driving myself crazy trying to figure it out so I thought I'd ask you all. Thanks! 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Expecting 06.13.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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I like my P&T. Is the Valco the one with the small seat on the front? If so we ruled it out because it didn't seem like a great stroller for the kids to nap in (I may be thinking of the wrong stroller though). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:02 AM Flag
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Good point - thanks! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 12:16 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone successfully get off anti depressants by yourself? I am taking 50mg of Zoloft and I've begun cutting them in half. What's the next step? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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yes, i did. then i went back on. but you can cut down slowly to nothing. but if you start to suffer again, restart [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:00 AM Flag
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OP: How long did you use half and then how long did you cut it even further before stopping completely? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:09 AM Flag
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Talk to your doctor! Not a good idea to increase/decrease meds on your own [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:00 AM Flag
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For me, cutting back on caffeine and taking benadryl (for dizziness) really helped. It took about 3-4 days after each cut back to start feeling sick, 1-2 weeks to feel somewhat competent, and about a year to get back to myself. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:18 AM Flag
[ - ] I keep putting in my settings and yet I am still part of the NY School board etc. Does anyone else have this problem? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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Sometimes I've had to update filters a few times before it has worked. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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you have to click on "save as default" & then it will remember settings each time you log in [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:01 AM Flag
[ - ] So strange - I was watching an item on eBay that wasn't to expire until tomorrow, but the seller accepted a best offer that was less than the buy it now amount. Maybe I saved myself from buying a fake item. 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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I've never seen that before either. How odd. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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i didn't know that ebay would let a seller do that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:30 AM Flag
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OP: I thought it was off, too - I had to double-check, and the seller definitely ended the sale last night when the end date was 6/14. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:32 AM Flag
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I think they are cheating someone. Most likely, they listed For someone else. This buyer made a deal behind the table for the item and the seller is keeping the extra. It will look to the owner of the property that it only went for so much. Someone did that to me once. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 09:34 AM Flag
[ - ] I am 37 and expecting my 1st child in November. I had a NT test and some ultrasounds and I was told that my risk of having a child with DS is 1/3300... Trisomy 18&13 is 1/6200. Even with those great numbers which puts my risk equal to a woman 17 years my junior, I have been told by my OB/GYN that amnio is strongly recommended anyway. Needless to say, I am very nervous about M/Cing a healthy baby. Can anyone share their experiences with amnio or FISH? I know nothing about FISH... Am I worrying over nothing? 15 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Expecting 06.13.08, 06:56 AM Flag
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I was 40, had really good NT results and was told I didn't really need the amnio, but got it anyway. What the doctor told me about making the decision made a lot of sense. If you are going to have the baby no matter what, then no need to do the amnio. If you want to be fully prepared or think that you will terminate if there is a problem, then you should do the amnio. (btw, I had 2 m/c before ds.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:00 AM Flag
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To clarify... You are 40 and have a DS baby now even though the NT scan came out fine? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:43 AM Flag
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Sorry - not DS baby, a normal healthy son. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:19 AM Flag
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I don't see much reason to have an amnio with those numbers. I doubt that I would do it either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:07 AM Flag
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My doc says, "knowing your personality" (I am a worrier), "you are better off knowing that there is a problem than not knowing and continuing to worry about it." [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:44 AM Flag
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Are you really going to worry about it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:54 AM Flag
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SIL just had the same thing happen. She is 38. Amnio revealed that my nephew to be is totally normal... Try not to stress until you have something to stress about... if you can... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:45 AM Flag
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Thank you! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:48 AM Flag
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My MIL - who is sort of insane and sort of sage too - says, "The time is passing no matter what you do. What you're worrying about will come no matter what you do. You can spend that time in stress or spend that time living your life" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:51 AM Flag
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I had my first at 37 and good nuchal results and my dr. pushed the amnio. i decided not to get it after just having had a miscarriage. drs. have to push it to cover themselves - there was an article in the nyt sunday mag. a couple of years ago about people who sued drs. after their babies were born with problems and they weren't offered testing, so now i think everyone is covering their butts. my dr. must have asked me 10 times if i was getting one, and i'm sure he documented that he asked in my chart. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:52 AM Flag
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I was 36 & 38 with good numbers. we decided to wait for the level 2 u/s, and if there was anything suspicous, we'd have the amnio that day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:04 AM Flag
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^^^ my ob didn't push me one way or the other [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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Does the Level 2 u/s tell you about structural abnormalities, chromosomal abnormalities, or BOTH? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 12:12 PM Flag
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What's NT? Is it the same as alpha fetal protein test? At 39yo, I got a horrible trisomy positive result on the AFP; many women have, yet this is a screening test and not diagnostic so I went ahaead and had the amnio. It was uncomfortable, not painful and reassuring; amnio is a truly diagnostic test and the results were excellent. Had my AFP come back differently(negative for all), I would have refused the amnio, as I've never heard of a false neg on the AFP. Anyone else? Be Well and peaceful and have a wonderful baby. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:30 AM Flag
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This is the original "postor" writing back. NT is not an AFP test. NT stands for "Nuchal Translucency" screening where they measure the size of the fold behind the baby's neck. The baby's fold was 1.9mm... which is normal. I just had my AFP test (also called a quad screen) yesterday and the results are supposed to be back by early next week. My amnio is scheduled for 6/30/08. I guess I have the option of cancelling the amnio if I get good results from the quad screen. Or... I could go through with it anyway as you did. You said that it was reassuring and not painful, which were nice words to hear. Thanks for your reassurance. I still have to make a decision soon.... So hard to do! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 12:10 PM Flag
[ - ] any ideas for a gift for a 4th child? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 06:55 AM Flag
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Cute outfit. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:00 AM Flag
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budget? if a lot, i'd get a family something like a museum membership. or maybe a book of the month sent to them or a family magazine (kind of like a present for the family in honor of the baby). if not, a blanket or an outfit is always acceptable. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:19 AM Flag
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i'm pg w/my 4th and all i want is stuff to make my life feel less overwhelming. meals, taking my other 3 kids somewhere - that kind of thing. if you want to get a tangible item, i'd think something that might get overlooked with a 4th child. like a keepsake type thing that could be passed down to that child's own children. not that that should be the only reason - but i feel like my younger kids all use hand me down type stuff and so much of it belonged at one time to my oldest. something that always was and will belong to #4 might be nice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:33 AM Flag
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A gift certificate to their favorite store is probably best. After three babies, the parents probably don't want to see another toy. They know what they need and can pick something suitable from the store of their choice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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a family premium membership to WCS is always great. It gets two parents, all your kids, + 1 guest into the Bronx, Central, Prospect & Queens Zoos + Aquarium. You never have to pay for special exhibits and you'll receive a limited amt of parking passes + 10% member discount in all shops and food venues. This is such a great value and really terrific for all ages. Don't know what we'd do without ours! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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