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[ - ] Public education in NYC in 2008 is inferior to that proposed by Thomas Jefferson in 1778. As per his words: , those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and it is believed that the most effectual means of preventing this would be, to illuminate, as far as practicable, the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts, which history exhibiteth, that, possessed thereby of the experience of other ages and countries, they may be enabled to know ambition under all its shapes, and prompt to exert their natural powers to defeat its purposes; At every of these schools shall be taught reading, writing, and common arithmetick, and the books which shall be used therein for instructing the children to read shall be such as will at the same time make them acquainted with Graecian, Roman, English, and American history...In these grammar schools shall be taught the Latin and Greek languages, English grammar, geography, and the higher part of numerical arithmetick, to wit, vulgar and decimal fractions, and the extraction of the square and cube roots. 18 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:54 PM Flag
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I could not be happier with the public education my dc is receiving in NYC. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:55 PM Flag
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Does your DC learn History and Geography?? Science, Social Issues?? In any organised way?? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:58 PM Flag
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Yes on all counts. You are grossly misinformed about what really IS taught in NYC's best public schools. Plus, I really don't think that an exact replica of an 18th century education really addresses the needs of people here in the 21st. Education was by rote back then and only for the elite. Real public education didn't come into being until well into the 19th century and even then it was often minimal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:11 PM Flag
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Trinity was found as a coed school for poor children in the 1700s. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:13 PM Flag
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What's the history curriculum of your child's school? (np) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:14 PM Flag
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I'm not the above poster, nor am I a DOE or internet freak - but I think you can find out any curriculum for any grade for nyc publics online somewhere. I realize that was not helpful, but it was meant to be. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:16 PM Flag
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My 6th grader has studied Mesopotamia, Ancient Egypt, Chinese history, Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome this year. My older dc has had two years of very detailed US history from pre-Columbian times to the present. They have both written several research papers this year, done projects and had comprehensive tests on these subjects. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:19 PM Flag
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6 Grade is in Middle School, not elementary school. This post is about elementary schools [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:24 PM Flag
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Where is that written? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:26 PM Flag
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It says "grammar" school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:28 PM Flag
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call me crazy (or blind), but I don't see that in op [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:33 PM Flag
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yes. why do you ask? do you assume that nyc public schools don't teach any of the above? Or is your little qualifier "any organized way" something you are going to use to argue for the sake of agruing? Whats your deal? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:13 PM Flag
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OP: I have a DC in public school and I find the curriculum very narrow [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:25 PM Flag
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sorry to hear that. What school/grade? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:27 PM Flag
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That would be nice - Jefferson's vision that is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:05 PM Flag
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There Republicans only quote Jefferson when it suits them [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:07 PM Flag
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A large part of why we left public school, unfortunately. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:09 PM Flag
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A large part why my 2nd DC is in private, after I was brave enough to enroll the first in public [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:10 PM Flag
[ - ] Live on UES in PS 290, accepted to PS 11 G&T (3rd choice I believe). Is it worth the trek down/over to Chelsea or is 290 the better choice? Score was 93 although diagnosed a month after test w/ various eye problems, now wears glasses (far sighted, astigmatism, cross-eyed) so potentially would have scored higher w/ glasses (won't know as they refused to re-test him). Also, I didn't know anything about PS 11 before reading the great comments on these boards. LL was the only one I toured and hoped to get into (1st choice). 18 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.16.08, 03:53 PM Flag
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That's a bad commute. Boy or girl? What did you think of 290? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:53 PM Flag
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Boy. I know, about as far as you can get within district 2. By the way, I wanted to post this under "NY Schools" but put it under NYC instead... any idea if I can move it? New to boards! Thanks! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:27 PM Flag
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Also, we liked 290. But no gym and overcrowded. Sounds like ps 11 classrooms max out at 21. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:29 PM Flag
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11 has small class size. It has a pool, but they don't swim until second grade. IF you can handle the commute, try it. If you hate it, you can always go back to zoned. Why not practice the commute for the next two mornings and see if you can do it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:35 PM Flag
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do they have a bus? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:39 PM Flag
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what are your concerns? that he will underperform and be dropped out of G&T program? You can always put him into a zoned school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:39 PM Flag
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No, he's extremely bright which is why I was pushing to get him re-tested even before knowing the score, once he got glasses. The concern is getting him down there every day. The can't guarantee busing and even if he is bused, they'd probably be picking him up before 7am to get him to school on time. I have a 2 year old to get to nursery school so it would be very difficult to bring him back and forth every day... especially since our plan B is a very good zoned school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:43 PM Flag
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My other thought is this... if he goes to 290 this year, he can re-test in 1st grade. With the glasses perhaps he'll test in to LL or a citywide. I know this year there's a handful of 1st grade spots available (at LL) from families who are moving. If he goes to 11, I don't know if he can move to another G&T, just perhaps a citywide if he qualifies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:50 PM Flag
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honestly, you should feel lucky to get into 11g&T with a 93, and I am surprised you hoped to get into LL or 116 or even 11 with that score. you really should have done your homework. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:54 PM Flag
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I think a lot of people on these boards don't understand the G&T program. If you score over a 90 and rank all the schools in your district, you're guaranteed a spot in one of the G&T's you've ranked. Except for the city wides, they all take kids with an array of scores over 90. I feel lucky that DS got a 93 with his vision problems which were undetected at the time of the test and lucky that he was guaranteed a G&T spot. That said, I don't feel lucky that we were offered 11 because in some people's opinions he didn't score well enough to get in. There's a reason the baseline score is 90 and above, all are potentially bright and high achieving children. Also, all G&T programs are basically the same... they all follow the same curriculum (except the city wides). It certainly was not a ridiculous hope that he'd get into LL... it's one of the district G&T schools that he was guaranteed to get into! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 05:20 PM Flag
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yes, but the cutout rate was reduced to 90 from 95 because of low scoring kids in other boroughs. if you are so well informed, you should have had a fair assessment of your chances of getting into one of the best district g&T and should have toured it. i have a sympathy for your kid with his health issues, but you as a mom should have done a better job researching your options if you started to play this whole G&T game. and they don't follow the same curriculum ,they have the same curriculum as the regular program in their gen ed school, but for example, ps 11 has piano classes for K, and 116, for example, does not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 05:26 PM Flag
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What is your problem? Geez. NP here. Problem I see with the G&T is that only the kids who have high achieving parents that can maneuver through all the paper work etc. get the spots. What happens to the bright inner city kids here? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 05:32 PM Flag
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Is 290 a decent school? have you visited PS11? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 05:35 PM Flag
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PS 290 (Manhattan New School) is arguably the best public school on the UES. I have not visited PS 11 and left messages today inquiring about doing so (no response yet). As for the arguing poster above, all the G&T's do follow the basic curriculum in NYC... sure some may have art where others have piano, but for the most part the basic education is the same. I didn't tour all 7 of the schools that I HAD TO rank to be guaranteed a spot because I didn't think I'd go to any if they were as far away as most are, including 11. But now that we have the offer, I'm researching all my options, as a good parent would. If I didn't have 2 kids and a hundred other things going on in my life, perhaps I would have toured all 7 schools even knowing that most of them I would decline anyway. By the way, I'm sure most of the parents of the kids "in other boroughs" would be glad to hear your opinion that 90-95 is "low scoring". And I guess no one in Manhattan is in that range? Besides my DS of course! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 06:39 PM Flag
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...perhaps I would have toured all 7 schools even knowing that most of them I would decline anyway. By the way, I'm sure most of the parents of the kids "in other boroughs" would be glad to hear your opinion that 90-95 is "low scoring". And I guess no one in Manhattan is in that range? Besides my DS of course! By the way, does your DC go to PS11? It may help in making my decision to decline or not! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 06:42 PM Flag
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So any GOOD advice here? BS aside I have 4 days to make a decision. Also, can someone tell me how to get this thread filtered to the "NY Schools" board vs. the "NYC" board so it gets read by the schools group? Thanks! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 07:36 PM Flag
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We are at 11 G&T and love it. It's a great school and they have a swimming pool (swimming starts in 2nd grade). I don't know that it is worth it to commute to 11 from the UES though. We live by 11 and although I never toured 290, I know I wouldn't commute my dc to 290 no matter how good it was since 11 is fine with us. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 08:00 PM Flag
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The only reason we'd do the commute is the fact that it's a G&T program vs. a zoned school program. I've heard wonderful things about 290 but I've heard bad things about the zoned schools' testing in 3rd grade and above and how they tend to go downhill at that point. My hope is that if we pass on 11 now, we can re-test next year and get into LL or someplace closer... I really believe had he been tested with his glasses it would have made a huge difference. His nursery school teachers commented how he was bright to begin with but they saw a world of differnce in him once he had glasses. I think it's so unfair they wouldn't re-test him from the get go... I requested it even before knowing his score! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:05 AM Flag
[ - ] glad my kid didn't get into Nest or Anderson...especially Anderson. You parents are CRAZY. I'm reading these posts and I can't believe this stuff. I feel sorry for all you sad fools who think your kids are among the best and brightest just because they could identify triangles and their abc's on a dumb test. 25 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.16.08, 03:49 PM Flag
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I think A moms have taken over from N moms as being the craziest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:51 PM Flag
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nest moms are the nerdiest, a are just crazy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:59 PM Flag
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also squares and ovals... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:51 PM Flag
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to an extent I agree that many of these posters are completely certifiable-and they were this way before the process made them worse [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:51 PM Flag
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we put anderson as our LAST choice - i agree - those parents were nuts! i couldn't stomach the thought of spending the next few years iwth them [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:52 PM Flag
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when we started doing the school thing, a friend who is an admissions director said, "Listen to what the schools say, but it will all sound good. What you have to do is look around at the other parents. Know that these are the people helping to raise your child. Their parenting will affect their kids who will influence your dc and it will be their homes where sleep-overs happen and all that." She couldn't have been more right ! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:57 PM Flag
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very wise. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:15 PM Flag
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she is... and she sent her kids to a school where I would never send mine and vice-versa... yet we're good friends and i thank my lucky stars I listened to her... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:18 PM Flag
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I'm going to steal it and add it to my rep [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:23 PM Flag
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Now I'm back to thinking I'll fork money over for private... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 07:14 PM Flag
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agree. don't know anyone at nest, but a few at anderson I have never seen a crazier, more entitled crew. whew! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:52 PM Flag
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there are some nutties at Nest. there are a few kids from my dc's preschool who ended up there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:52 PM Flag
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I feel even sorrier for the poor kids [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:55 PM Flag
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yeah, two of the kids, well, it is really sad. but I don't attribute it to the school-it is just the mom. the poor child seems depressed and sullen-never speaks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:58 PM Flag
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at nest you have to attribute that to the school, and the parent of course to the extend that they dont mind the school "philosophy" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:06 PM Flag
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there is a self selection process though in choosing a school though [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:15 PM Flag
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OP: Your vicious, vindictive tone makes YOU sound like the crazy one. Don't you recognize that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:08 PM Flag
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PSA: If you are OP, you use "OP:". If you are addressing the OP, you use "OP,". [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:10 PM Flag
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Thank you. I'm addressing the OP. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:12 PM Flag
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Okay! But I for one couldn't be more excited about becoming a NEST mom in the near future. Bring on the crazies. I'm of the mindset that we can actually have some control over what families we choose to associate with. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 05:07 PM Flag
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me too! see you there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 05:36 PM Flag
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Welcome to a great parent community. What borough are you in? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 01:02 PM Flag
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There are many Anderson parents are perfectly sane, very nice and down to earth. It's up to you to choose which ones you will befriend and bond with and who your children will have playdates with. That's what I do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 01:11 PM Flag
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Oops...sorry for leaving out a word in my previous post. But, you get the idea. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 01:13 PM Flag
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as a (I think) sane NEST parent, I would caution anyone from thinking UB is indicative of the parent body. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 01:16 PM Flag
[ - ] how many weeks for a planned c-sec? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:45 PM Flag
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usually 38 wks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:46 PM Flag
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Don't know about c, but I had a planned induction at 38 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:47 PM Flag
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a week before due date [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:47 PM Flag
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Okay, I just do NOT understand why. I had a planned induction (which failed to accomplish anything) followed by a planned c section the week later. The doc in the operating room who was NOT my ob said "wow, this kid's a preemie". As in, had he be permitted to go full term according to my body/his clock, he'd have been well past 40 weeks, possibly as much as 42 (as happened to my mother). I'm so mad. It affected my son's health. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:56 PM Flag
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You don't know how pregnant you were? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:58 PM Flag
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it depends on the reason for the c-s. my dr did not want me to go into labor (uterus issues) so we planned it a week before the due date. Why were you induced in the first place? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:12 PM Flag
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induction and stalled labor [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:30 PM Flag
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NP: How sure were you of your conception date. I knew exactly when I conceived (IVF) and was very comfortable having c-section scheduled for 39 weeks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:33 PM Flag
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my friends who have had them have been 39-40 weeks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:02 PM Flag
[ - ] What is a good birthday present for friend? Taking her out for dinner but want to get something -- $40 range? Thanks! 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:44 PM Flag
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a manicure and pedicure... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:44 PM Flag
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she's your friend ! ou know her better than we do ! [ Reply | More
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a pair of fitflops [ Reply | More
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[ - ] when did you have the ultrasound where they determine sex? how many weeks? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:43 PM Flag
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I had tons of ultrasounds, but we saw the penis (clearly) at 13 weeks. [ Reply | More
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16, amnio for me [ Reply | More
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[ - ] name a little sister for owen- maura, alice, fiona, lola or june. thanks! 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:42 PM Flag
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june is lovely... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:43 PM Flag
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i love all of those names, including owen. i say fiona or lola [ Reply | More
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love june and alice... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:46 PM Flag
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owen and alice sound great together [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:56 PM Flag
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ITA [ Reply | More
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LOVE June. [ Reply | More
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me too [ Reply | More
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[ - ] Do/did you let your 3-4mo cio? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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i cio'd at 4.5 months. sleeps great. still let him do it a bit at naps if necessary. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:42 PM Flag
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that's funny, i just wondered why nobody posts about this anymore. and the answer from me is no, could'nt do it. but wish i had. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:42 PM Flag
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i cio'd at birth [ Reply | More
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have a 3.5mo that will not sleep more than 10min, maybe 3x a day. Going insane [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:45 PM Flag
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then go for it -- and get the baby to love the pacificer [ Reply | More
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nope [ Reply | More
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[ - ] what sites do you recommend for recipes? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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honestly -- good housekeeping -- the most amazing recipes and they never fail me [ Reply | More
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epicurious [ Reply | More
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epicorious.com [ Reply | More
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^^ oops... epicurious.com [ Reply | More
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epicurious.com or foodnetwork.com - both have user ratings on all of the recipes [ Reply | More
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[ - ] Is it possible to sell or buy an apt in Manhattan without a broker? Where does one look/post? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:38 PM Flag
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i did both. and it was very easy. i posted our listing on nytimes.com, they have a fsbo listing service, 125 for two weeks or something. [ Reply | More
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saved tons of money and it went smoothly [ Reply | More
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[ - ] Does anyone know if Nest requires dc to be present at registration? I spoke to them today, she didn't specify, and haven't been able to get in touch with them since. 13 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.16.08, 03:29 PM Flag
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I think all of the schools require the child to be present when registering. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 03:54 PM Flag
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They told me the child did not need to be there. I will bring her anyway so she can see her new school (and then take her to her current school) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 04:36 PM Flag
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did they say anything about an orientation? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 05:18 PM Flag
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op: thank you [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 06:41 PM Flag
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Would you be able to share the info regarding registration? I was trying to contact them today, but wasn't successful. Are they having an orientation?? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 06:05 PM Flag
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No mention of orientation. The registration looks like bringing your documents there. I will ask as many questions as I can once there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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I'm registering dc tomorrow, will get info as well re:orientation and contact info [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 06:43 PM Flag
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Did you make an appointment or can we just go down to school? I couldn't catch any human voice today and at a loss... I'm looking forward to see your post tomorrow. TIA for sharing info!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 07:12 PM Flag
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They called me this morning, said they're making appointments for registration up until next Wed, I think. I got the impression there were a lot of appts. available, might be okay to just go down there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 07:16 PM Flag
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you need to go in person, child not needed, with documentation. & yes, you need to make an appt. w/antonio in the registration office. can't just show up. they're registering through june 25. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 07:23 PM Flag
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Thank you for both of you! I'll call them first thing in the morning. I called them too late, I guess... Looking forward to meeting you guys in the fall! I feel very lucky to be placed in NEST :-) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 07:54 PM Flag
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btw, he said to bring birth certificate, social security card, con ed bill, and immunization record [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 08:07 PM Flag
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thanks again! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.16.08, 08:20 PM Flag
[ - ] how do you charge an iphone w/out a computer? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 06.16.08, 03:27 PM Flag
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i plug mine into the wall [ Reply | More
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docking station [ Reply | More
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did that come with phone? [ Reply | More
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yes but will not come with the new version [ Reply | More
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[ - ] Name of pizza place next to French Roast on 85th, bet Amsterdam and Broadway? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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anybody? [ Reply | More
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Deans. [ Reply | More
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Thanks [ Reply | More
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