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[ - ] ivfers, when did you first see heartbeat? 0 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Newborn 06.30.08, 10:49 AM Flag
[ - ] went to dr last thurs and was told i was 3 cm dilated. this is #2 and i am at 37 weeks now. do you think i might deliver soon or does this really not mean shit at this point? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Expecting 06.30.08, 10:46 AM Flag
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i dont think it means anything - sorry to tell you - you're almost tehre - signed - 38 1/2 weeks and not 1 cm dilated... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:49 AM Flag
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:01 AM Flag
[ - ] almost 5 yo DD somewhere picked up "you're mean" -- when I say something she does not like she says that to me. It really bothers me that she says that. I have tried :I am sorry that you feel that way" - i feel like if i make too big of a deal out of it she will use it as an attention getter. any thoughts on how to get her to stop saying. TIA 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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Tell her what you being mean would really be i.e you taking away all her toys. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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My 4.5 Ds is doign the dame thing! I think it too close to being disrespectful for my taste, but not sure what to do about it. I think he has a right to feel "bumbed" he is being disciplined, but yet it does not seem right to let him call me a mean mommy. Not sure what to do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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must be the age. My 4.5 ds calls us mean whenver we ask him to do something he does not want to...like eat breakfast. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:11 AM Flag
[ - ] Seriously, where is everyone? How can there be no posts yet about the article in yesterday's Page Six magazine detailing how no kids from Dalton got into Harvard this past year? 42 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.30.08, 10:39 AM Flag
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i'll bite - link? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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Here it is: http://www.nypost.com/pagesixmag/issues/20080629/Private+School+Rejects [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:48 AM Flag
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Maybe Harvard got the memo that D is not really a TT school but a hot school. Probably, they have had enough time to watch how poorly the D HYP students do in comparison to their tt counterparts. How is that for biting? ;-) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:48 AM Flag
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There is reason Dalton has never made its exmissions list public unlike the other schools. Finally, reality has come to roost. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:51 AM Flag
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you are mad as a hatter. Dalton prepares and sends kids to the top universities in the country. it's a shame your dc couldn't get in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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my dc is at collegiate and yes, did get in [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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The most interesting thing about that article is the fact that Marymount sent nearly 10 percent of its class to Harvard last year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:52 AM Flag
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Thats not what will happen, this is happening because the schools have so much more money to spend on scholarships so they don't need to take x. y. andz from a wealthy family that can pay full price tution. It isn't because Dalton dcs are not qualified it is that the schools want to diversify with an economic mix. 2nd and 3rd tier schools aren't getting better just because HYP isn't taking as many Dalton dcs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:59 AM Flag
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Does anyone think Dalton will do better at HYP and other top colleges once its more diverse classes start graduating? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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Dalton has always been diverse, actors singers, mixed race, religion etc...in the 70s and 80s! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:04 AM Flag
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The Horace Mann HYP numbers probably include a bunch of legacies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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right. because HM is the only TT with legacy families, are you high? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:17 AM Flag
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Obviously Dalton didn't have any legacies at those schools this year! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:19 AM Flag
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How do you figure? I am sure they had some legacies, just not strong enough to get accepted. Even as a legacy you have to be a very strong student to get in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:41 AM Flag
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I can't say I'm surprised...wouldn't it be ironic if in a few years, kids at "2nd or 3rd tier" schools end up faring better at the Ivies? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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All the tts broker college placement, this happens once in awhile. Dalton is an excellent school but for the number of students per class their HYP is not very impressive when compared with numbers elsewhere. Also remember HYP have such huge endowments they can afford to spred out much more FA. Dh is a princeton alum and they sent out a letter saying they are no longer accepting $$ for FA pools! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:57 AM Flag
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Picked Dalton over HM for DD for K this fall. The article left a bit of a knot in my stomach, although when I read the HM article in New York Mag a few months ago I felt glad I had not selected HM. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:59 AM Flag
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i am so sick of the people on this board that think that the quality of a school can be judged by what percentage of kids get into HYP. its absurd. That is not what its about. It should be about getting the best education for your child, in an environment that wil work best for them. And hopefully, this will lead them to thrive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:03 AM Flag
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also sick to death of these over-priveleged types supposedly second-guessing their choice of several "TT" schools. don't they realize how fortunate they are, and what a rarified world they live in?? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:06 AM Flag
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We're not getting FA but so very, very far from over-privileged. But will admit, have been second-guessing choice for months. Made best choice for what DC's current personality is - but who knows - she's only just turned five. She'll likely be a different person in a few years. Think the choice would have been supremely easier if DC was older. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:33 AM Flag
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You're priveleged to have had the choice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:36 AM Flag
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Oh - gotcha. Yes, felt lucky in the private school process. Unfortunately, less lucky in the public school process (H/A/public lottery). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:40 AM Flag
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Amen to that! But of course, it's UB, so people actually think that paying all that money "entitles" their dc to an Ivy education. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:54 AM Flag
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I don't disagree but I went to a suburban public in NY and my HS sent a bunch of kids to HYP and HS didn't cost $30,000/year. Granted that was 20+ years ago when it wasn't as competitive to get into college. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:07 AM Flag
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But the point this OR is making is that your going to HYP is great, but what did you actually learn during high school? Not much in comparison to what these dcs from tt do. I think she is saying that is the real reason you should send your dc to these schools if they can hack it. I agree with her. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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There is all this talk of private school education being so this and so that, and it could be true, how could I know. But as a graduate of a good but not amazing public school, I just never felt like the private school kids from the city that I encountered in college, grad school or on dates particularly wowed me with "critical reasoning skills." I could definitely hold my own with them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:46 AM Flag
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What do you disagree with specifically? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:09 AM Flag
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Me, too, but I think exmissions from those schools has changed, too. I went to a small college that usually had 3-6 DC per class from my high school. Friend who moved back told me that almost no one from our HS gets admitted to our alma mater any more. It's much more competitive these days. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:09 AM Flag
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I agree that many newbies to privates in NYC focus only on college, but you cannot fault them, they don't understand the level of academics these privates provide. It is for the education itself, but many parents feel like the money they are paying is supposed to be an investment in where their dc goes to college [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:07 AM Flag
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Bet these parents talked a good game during their interviews... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:10 AM Flag
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Sorry, I don't follow [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:12 AM Flag
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OR: Yes, DH and I are public-schooled newbies and have no way to compare the level of education we received with the opportunities DC will have in her new private. I won't lie though. I am hoping that our $500,000 investment in DC's education ultimately helps DC get into a good college. It does not have to be HYP, but.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:18 AM Flag
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of course, and I understand your interest in that investment! we feel differently, only because we know that the education dcs will receive will far exceed the first two years of any college they go to including HYP who do a lot of playing catch up for the other dcs not as fortunate prior to 18 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:19 AM Flag
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Really? I went to - not HYP - but an Ivy League school and the city kids really didn't seem to have an edge with grades. Maybe it was so easy they were bored! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:48 AM Flag
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ITA! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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What does "HYP" mean? Harvard .... ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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..Yale, Princeton [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:03 AM Flag
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Ah, thanks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:04 AM Flag
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Dalton doesn't always have good years with Harvard. The year I graduated from Dalton, only one person got in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:03 AM Flag
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Exactly, and the year I graduated from Brearley was a horrible year for exmissions, only two to Harvard and parents tried to sue! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:05 AM Flag
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$46000 to learn how to apply for college? Wtf? I am so in the wrong business! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:10 PM Flag
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seriously...I had the same thought! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:15 PM Flag
[ - ] One child at Hunter one child at decent district g&t. Right now kids have no clue that one school is more prestigious than the other and I hope to keep it that way forever. Did anyone else in a similar situation ever have to face a time when the non-Hunter (or TT kid) realized that he/she was at a different type of school and questioned whether he/she was as smart as sibling? 11 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 06.30.08, 10:37 AM Flag
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oh.my.god. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:39 AM Flag
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I went to Hunter and my two best friends went to the local public. I was jealous of THEM until about 11th grade. They seemed to have a more normal school life. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:40 AM Flag
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I have a friend whose brother went to Hunter and she was fine with it, very accomplished in her own right. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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I went to school here and the dcs do recognize the level of prestigious schools vs not. Especially private vs Hunter vs public. At about 5th grade or 6th grade we knew where we stood and so did the other dcs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:47 AM Flag
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I went to a G&T school while my sister did not and we both realized there was a difference and what it was. It was hard not to when we went to different schools. I don't think it mattered though. Like above poster, in some ways I was jealous of my sister b/c she went to school w/ kids in the neighborhood and knew a lot more kids in general, while I went to school with the same 30 geeky kids forever. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:50 AM Flag
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I'm pretty sure that I know who you are. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:54 AM Flag
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Not OP, but I know from the top of my head 5 kids at our G&T that have older siblings at Hunter. Hardly an uncommon situation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:45 AM Flag
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My brother and I had a lot of difficulty in HS because of a similar issue. Although we were at the same public school, I was in a magnet program that he did not get into. I think it was really hard on him, especially when he (my older bro) would have my teachers AFTER I'd had them. Had we been at different schools, I think it would have been a lot easier, especially if both were good schools (as is the case with your kids). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:58 AM Flag
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Love reading these posts. When a private school mommy last month said her dc at public was jealous of her dc at tt private everyone flamed because the mom was implying private was better than gen ed. Now g&t public moms are claiming superiority over gen ed publics. The difference is SO MINIMAL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:03 AM Flag
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My brother and I both went to Hunter, but most of our friends had siblings who did not go to Hunter. I don't think it was ever a big deal in their sibling relationships. And, even though my brother and I both went to the same school we sometimes had tensions over who was doing better, etc. Just don't make it a big issue and both your kids will be fine with it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:05 AM Flag
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LOL, you can't keep it that way together. Whether or not they care is really dependent on their personalities. I went to better school than my brother, did better in school and yet ended up with perfectly mediocre career (which I am considering giving up entirely). My brother did not get it together until law school, but guess who is the super successful partner in a law firm now:). There is more to life than where kids go to school. As long as you treat them fairly and it's fine. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:34 AM Flag
[ - ] My DH is lazy and totally unhelpful over the weekend...We have a 2.5 yr old and a 4 mo, and I'm a SAHM (and ebfing now)...I got up w/ both kids on both days, while dh slept until 11am...then he took a 2 hour nap in the afternoon and went to the gym on saturday while i gave baths to both kids and put them to bed. I did have 1 hour to myself on each day, but i am exhausted. He claims he does so much to help me, but he SLEEPS all day long!! This happens all the time, even before we had kids. I have had to totally ajust myself and my schedule, and he has not done anything to his. Anyone in a similar situation? thanks. advice welcome too. 23 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:37 AM Flag
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Why is he sleeping so much? Is he working a lot of hours? We have a similar prob with roles reversed because I work late. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:41 AM Flag
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op-His works a regular 9-5 job monday-friday, not even late hours. He has always slept a ton but now it is really starting to annoy me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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looks like you knew damn well what you signed on for before you had kids with this guy. why complain now? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:43 AM Flag
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My point is, if he works hard, is tired on weekends there is really nothing you can do about it. Try to hire someone to assist for a few hours. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:45 AM Flag
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Well can you hire someone to help out anyhow? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:46 AM Flag
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I have no real answer. We are battling it out in couples counseling now. About every 2nd or 3rd weekend DH works one full day so I am working FT job plus that full day with DS. Therapist suggested DH be more "loose" on the weekends and give in to my requests to clothe, clean up after DS while I go for a run in the AM, then I will jump in from there. I need some time to myself to run or work out before I am fully functional. Then I am there 2000%. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:47 AM Flag
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was he like this before #2? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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He was, but i may not have noticed it as much. Now with 2 kids (baby sleeps in our room too) i am totally stretched thin, [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:47 AM Flag
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You definitely need to discuss it, and even make a schedule if necessary (with flexibility for extreme fatigue which is inevitable). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:52 AM Flag
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there is no reason for a grown man with a family to be sleeping until 11am. he needs to grow up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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I agree. I have sympathy for when one is ill or jet-lagged, but not for an ordinary weekend. I say he's in denial about having 2 small kids. I mean, you're up with them by 7, right? And he sleeps 4 more hours? No way. Not fair. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:52 AM Flag
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or: I think your husband is in denial. I assume his life hasn't changed much since the kids. He needs to wake up (literally!). Written schedule of responsibilities would help, imho. I would also tell him that he is setting a bad example for the kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:05 AM Flag
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NP. I could have written this post about me. My children are almost the same ages and identical husbands. One difference though is I don't really mind it. I'm happy that dh works hard all week so I can afford to be SAHM. I get exhausted and do find weekends harder than the week but I know my dh needs a rest too. I get my rest with friends etc while he is working. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:59 AM Flag
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Is this OP's DH posting this? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:03 AM Flag
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lol - no I'm a dw [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:06 AM Flag
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op-I am trying to look at it this way...My dh gets angry at me about asking him to help me out more, then i just end up thinking he's lazy. Maybe i will work on trying your approach. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:04 AM Flag
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If my dh worked all week and then looked after the kids at the weekend he would be a wreck. He needs his rest and to be honest he wouldn't be such fun to be around if he was tired and stressed all the time. I'd much rather have things as they are. It is tough but it's not going to be forever. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:10 AM Flag
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He is only sleeping so late because you let him. Wake him up, for crying out loud. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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my dh HAS to nap on the weekend (both days) or he throws such a fit. It is a totally sore subject with the two of us. dd who is 2 still naps so he'll stay home with her and nap and i'll do something with older dc - but what I wouldn't do to nap on ONE of those days or just veg and watch a movie...i work f/t also...men are just WIMPY [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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they are lazy and inconsiderate [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:11 AM Flag
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I am in v similar situation..dd #1 almost 3, dd#2 5mths also ebf and husband does v little...I thought I was alone...did you read article in NY times a few weeks ago about equal parenting?made me feel sick as I do 90% if not more of child rearing in our household.I try to understand his point of view and the fact that its great to be able to stay home with my kids...but I do know of other r/ships where dh helps out more.Would love to know how to get him to do more w/o it being a battle... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:14 AM Flag
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I am in same boat. If I ask for him to help - always get "Why can't you do it?" Have to wake him up for dinner on the weekends... I have no delusions -- he is a selfish ass. Doesn't mean I don't get sad. Numb myself with antidepressants. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:15 AM Flag
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Although it would be nice for y'all to do family stuff, I think you should just make plans and leave the house. I find that my DH does fine when I'm not around, but tends to let me handle things when I'm home. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:44 PM Flag
[ - ] Dh's cousin just graduated high school in Long Island suburb. About half the class is going to the local community college and only one kid placed into the Ivies. Pretty good neighborhood too...kind of scary. 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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New York City 06.30.08, 10:37 AM Flag
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what is scary about that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:37 AM Flag
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To me this means the high school did not prepare them for college. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:38 AM Flag
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Then you are not very smart or up on this topic [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:39 AM Flag
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Oh COME ON. If you paid all that $$ to move to the burbs,send kids to public and the only place they get into is community college...you'd be pissed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:40 AM Flag
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not a pretty good school than. i grew up in LI suburb and about 30% of my grade went to ivy or comparable school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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Old Westbury [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:43 AM Flag
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westbury school? not Jericho [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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Then frankly it's not such a high achieving community, is it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:00 AM Flag
[ - ] Seriously, where has everyone gone? How on earth can there be no post yet about the article in yesterday's Page Six magazine detailing how Dalton got no kids into Harvard this year? 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:35 AM Flag
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because no one cares. no one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:38 AM Flag
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none? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:38 AM Flag
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I know several kids graduating from Dalton this year. All got into schools that are very good matches for them: Williams, Wellesley, U Michigan, Brandeis, etc. I don't think any of them would do "better" had they been admitted to Harvard. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:39 AM Flag
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1) Who really reads the post and 2) who cares> [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:39 AM Flag
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funny. my kid's public got 1 into harvard and many others into excellent schools. HAH! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:43 AM Flag
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FWIW - The Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch and at least one of his kids went to Horace Mann which is probably why Horace Mann was portrayed favorably. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:47 AM Flag
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np: His son got into Harvard from HM but did not graduate. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:48 AM Flag
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np. and this proves it's not what you know but who you know. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:54 AM Flag
[ - ] Did you go to camp as a kid? Do you plan to send your kids to the same camp? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Toddler 06.30.08, 10:33 AM Flag
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I went for half session (4 weeks) at a day camp in Rockland County because my mom could not afford a full session (8 weeks). Was thrilled to be able to send DC for a full session, albeit to a different camp. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:45 AM Flag
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went for 2 summers. there were 7 kids in my family, so we got to go but only for a couple of years. I loved it, but dd has no interest in going...at all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:49 AM Flag
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If my camp friends/siblings send their kids to my old sleepaway I might. I went to Camp Harlam in the Poconos. It's actually a lot cheaper than some other camps, which is a plus. My parents' camp closed down. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:54 AM Flag
[ - ] What types of services do you usually expect from a flight attendent? 82 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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none really. have a drink and a snack flung at me, maybe some help if the plane goes down [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:28 AM Flag
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Would you be interested in them providing more entertainment options on short flights or in them matching you with likeminded passangers? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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no, i want everyone to shut up and fly in a timely manner. I would be interested in them tossing drunks and people who try to cram enormous bags in the overhead off the plane [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:31 AM Flag
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np: Not even remotely. I just want to get to my destination sometime remotely near when I expected and paid to get there. I'd like them to focus on that for now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:31 AM Flag
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Well what about while you are on teh plane. One idea that I've heard discussed is flight attendents providing dramatic readings while on the tarmac. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:33 AM Flag
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This has to be a joke. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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No this is not a joke, it's being considered as a way to reduce passanger stress. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:35 AM Flag
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Well, I had a pretty horrible airline experience this weekend and when I finally got on the plane if the flight attendant started reading from Hamlet I might have actually lost it,. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:37 AM Flag
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What happened on your flight? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:38 AM Flag
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Flight delayed, delayed, delayed then cancelled. Airline wouldn't pay for hotel. Booked us on flight for the next am. Went to hotel, came back the next am and the person had mistakenly booked us for the next day's flight, so we had to sweat out standby. All this 8 mo pg and with a 2 yo. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:40 AM Flag
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What about a children's play area in the terminal and possibly allowing you to interact with other passangers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:41 AM Flag
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I don't care about interacting with other passengers but if they could provide some kind of entertainment for kids that would be WONDERFUL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:43 AM Flag
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That is being considered, having play centers in the terminals so you can have the kids be distracted during a delay. Still trying to decide what to do on the plane. Possible free coloring books for the kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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lol...the idea that people want to interact with other passengers! that's the LAST thing i want!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 04:04 PM Flag
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np: What about this do you not understand?!? We don't need services to keep us busy while the flights are delayed and canceled. We need flights to be on time and customer service people to be less bitchy and threatening. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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We want to make your flying experience more enjoyable from the moment you arrive at the airport to the moment the plane takes off. This includes more entertainment options at airports, along with increased social interaction at airports and more shopping options. We believe that once you see some of these ideas you'll enjoy the experience even more and let you worries slip away. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:46 AM Flag
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np: You know, I used to be a marketing whore like you. Best thing I ever did was quit. You don't even see how ridiculous you sound. No one enjoys traveling on a plane because of delays and poor customer service. Giving us bright shiny things to distract us from the ineptitude is not going to work. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:48 AM Flag
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We want to make you enjoy the flight. Think abotu sitting in a nice comfy terminal chair and watching the flight attedents sing and tell jokes, while your children relax in the play center. Maybe you and other passangers can grab a latte and discuss books and movies in the new terminal cafe. Then you get on the plane and listen to a dramatic reading while waiting on the tarmac. This will make flying an enjoyable experience that you'll recommend to all of your friends. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:50 AM Flag
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LOLOL. I'm calling fake. Please let this be fake, I never proposed anything quite so idiotic to my clients. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:50 AM Flag
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This is not a fake. Why do you find this idiotic? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:52 AM Flag
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Because this is the kind of crap that doesn't even make it out of a brainstorming session, we wouldn't have even had the balls to present it to the client. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:54 AM Flag
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These are just ideas that have been discussed and are being focus grouped and are just some ideas to make people happy while they fly! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:58 AM Flag
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Have you considered focusing on timeliness, baggage handling, and airplane cleanliness? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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We are focusing on passanger enjoyment. Right now we have great baggage handling and timeliness is better than it ever was. And there is a new plane cleaning task force. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:02 AM Flag
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Actually, delays are at an all time high. How are you calculating timliness? And baggage handling is terrible. Bags are lost frequently and the waits are long to retrieve bags. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:03 AM Flag
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I am just going by the statistics in front of me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:06 AM Flag
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What about some kind of enjoyment at baggage claim. Maybe videos telling you about the history of the airport or about fun attractions in the city you're in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:07 AM Flag
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No, it won't make flying enjoyable. Nothing you are decsribing will make flyign enjoyable. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:54 AM Flag
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a lot of what you are describing would send me over the edge from disgruntled to homicidal!!! watching flight attendants sing and tell jokes??? how about free blow jobs for the men? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 04:10 PM Flag
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totally fake. Sounds like hell, btw. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 05:13 PM Flag
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this is so fake [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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So let me see if I get this straight. Flying is a miserable and stressful experience. But you think that if the shopping were better in the terminal, I would forget that flying is hell? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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Yes, we think that if you see a large amount of retail outlets and various ethnic culinary kiosks, you will enjoy yourself more. Think about being able to get a manacure or a massage while you wait. Also you can enjoy more terminal entertainment options and get to meet other passangers and enjoy each other while you wait. You could meet your new best friend through this exicting idea. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:57 AM Flag
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I don't want to make a new friend while sitting in an airport in Iowa. And I don't want to shop. I want to get from point a to point b. Period. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:58 AM Flag
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But this will allow for the flight attendents to introduce you to someone who shares your interests and values. You can grab a latte and talk and make frieds and possibly shop. Or you can take in a show while you wait. Maybe you can get chiar massages together or view the new art work hanging in the terminal. Think about it the hours you wait will just fly by. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:00 AM Flag
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But we don't wait to wait hours! Why not focus your enegergies into elimianting the hour long waits? Besides, the parties that employ the flight attendants (airlines) and the parties that own/operate the airports are independent of each other. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:02 AM Flag
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We want to make the waits more exciting and enjoyable so you pass the time in a great way. The waits are caused by outside forces that the airlines cannot control. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:04 AM Flag
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That is untrue. Waits are caused by airlines waiting for a free gage while refusing to pay fees to use another airlines' available gate. They are caused by airlines maintaing too small a fleet to roll out a replacement plane where there are problems. And they result from airlines refusing to cancel flights even when they are so far behind schedule that they will never catch up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:07 AM Flag
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If we cancel the flight people will be unhappy. It won't work. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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People are more unhappy when they wait for hours before their flight is cancelled. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:09 AM Flag
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So now I am supposed to share my interests and values with my flight attendent? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:04 AM Flag
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Yes, they will take polls at the gate and find out what you want. You can also inform the airline when you book your ticket. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:05 AM Flag
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My latest guess is that this proposal just came across your desk. You are laughing until you pee transcribing it here for us because you cannot believe that the consultants are this stupid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:58 AM Flag
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Yeah basically all of this is in a proposal that I just read and I am finding it hysterical and wanted to share. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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who is it from? Big Brother? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 05:14 PM Flag
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Sorry, this is fake. Entertaining BS [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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who ARE you? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 05:12 PM Flag
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But this should reduce stress. You can focus your attention on the reading and drift away from the delay on the tarmac. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:38 AM Flag
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Couldn't we reduce passenger stress by a) treating passengers better before they got to the plane, b) improving communication with passengers, c) reducing delays, and d) removing disrupting pasengers from the flights? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:49 AM Flag
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Well we could allow for more communication ideas with passangers, like e-mail alerts, text messages and a dedicated flight call in center. And possibly having an information kiosk at the gate. How would you like to be treated better. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:51 AM Flag
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I would like real time information about the status of my flight. When my flight is delayed, I would like the option of arrivig at the airport w/i an hour/two hours of the delayed takeoff, not the original takeoff. I would like the option of rescheduing/cancelling without a fee if the flight is delayed more than an hour. If I am delayed on the tarmac, I would like to be given the option of deboarding after an hours wait (and at every hour thereafter). I would like cleaner planes. And I would like flight attendants to remove drunk and disorderly passengers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:57 AM Flag
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Planes are generally clean. And we take every effort to remove disorderly passengers to other planes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:06 AM Flag
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Planes are flithy. They used to get cleaned between flights with a deep cleaning daily. Now they are straightened between flights, cleaned daily, with deep cleans only about once per month. They are filthy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:09 AM Flag
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What about providing with sanitary products, so you can help clean your area. This will give you an activity to engage in while listening to the dramatic readings. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:11 AM Flag
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So you want it to be the passenger's job to clean the planes? Hardly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:12 AM Flag
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It would be optional and only if you want to engage in a new family friendly activity. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:13 AM Flag
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Fake. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 04:12 PM Flag
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That sound awful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 05:11 PM Flag
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God no. I want them to bring me drinks and snacks, fix my TV if it's broken, and bring me towels or blankets if ds throws up. I do not want them to bring me blankets if I'm trying to bf my baby, [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 05:10 PM Flag
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These days I'm so freaking grateful the delay is over and I'm not cancelled I don't care about anything else. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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What if they provided entertainment options while you waited? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:31 AM Flag
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what do you mean by entertainment options? Are they gonna do a floor show? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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Maybe mini plays or dramatic readings over the intercom. In the terminal, possibly some stand up comedy or singing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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That sounds like torture [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:52 AM Flag
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Why is that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:52 AM Flag
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Plays, dramatic readings, and stand up? I don't want any of that. Especially not forced upon me. And especially not from people whose primary skill set is as a flight attendant and secondary skills (if at all) are in theater. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:59 AM Flag
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These programs are to make you enjoy yourself. Think about sitting and waiting and watching the flight attendents perform stand up and sing folk songs at the gate. And when you get on the plane hearing a dramatic reading or one act plays on the tarmac. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:03 AM Flag
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I don't want any of that. I want my wait time reduced, my plane to leave and arrive ontime. Folk songs won't make me happier. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:05 AM Flag
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But you won't realize there is a wait while you listen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:07 AM Flag
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Why? Am I stupid in this scenario? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:10 AM Flag
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No you will be captivated by the songs and your deep conversation with your new best friend that you don't pay attention to time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:11 AM Flag
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So when will I notice? When I stroll off the plane late for my meetings? When my blackberry keeps going off with demands for my ETA? When? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:13 AM Flag
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You will have so little stress with this idea that you won't notice. What about a state of hte art business center that allows you to work and wait. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:16 AM Flag
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If I am late to a meeting, I will care. And if I could take care of the meeting via a business center, I wouldn't be flyign to the meeting. I would be in my office. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 11:23 AM Flag
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Not really. I don't want to wait. I've had enough with the waiting. The whole industry is a disaster and I don't want them to put a bandaid on the symptoms, I want them to fix it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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handjobs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:30 AM Flag
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LOL! I was going to say BJs in the bathroom [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:33 AM Flag
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why are they even needed? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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To provide you with important emergency services and to make the flight enjoyable for you and everyone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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losing the attendants would be a great way for airlines to save money [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:37 AM Flag
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np: Intersting...verrry interesting! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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You can't get rid of fligth attendents. We are there to make sure you get off the plane alive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:48 AM Flag
[ - ] 8 mo pg and in the midst of the move from hell. Moved out of state, the movers announced our stuff wouldn't get there for over a week so new house is completely empty. 2 yo and I are staying w/ my parents while DH is in the house. I am exhausted and feel like crap. My mom is mostly taking care of ds. I feel terribly guilty, like I'm taking advantage of her although she insists she is happy to help us. AM I just being nuts? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:25 AM Flag
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yes. your mom loves you and wants to help. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:30 AM Flag
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Sigh. Thanks. I am just so stressed and miserable right now. She is being wonderful. I don't know what my deal is with the guilt. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:33 AM Flag
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Give yourself a break. You are in a crappy situation with your house and being away from dh. Your parents I'm sure are only too glad to help. GL and try to relax [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:49 AM Flag
[ - ] I think these gas prices are the best thing that could have happened. I rejoice with every cent they go up!! I love reading all these articles on how people are being forced to drive less, and how in the Netherlands gas is $10 a gallon and no one even blinks! Americans are finally being forced to deal with how sickeningly entitled they are. 29 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:25 AM Flag
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ita. Shoulda put the prices up here with taxes years ago. Was so obvious this would happen eventually, and now everyone's caught with their pants down [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:26 AM Flag
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I thought you socialist left wingers were supposed to care about the poor [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:26 AM Flag
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I do care about the poor, but I care about the planet, too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:28 AM Flag
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oh please. You only care about what fits your lifestyle. WHat do you do in your personal life to "save the planet"? Or are you a greenocrit like Al Gore? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:30 AM Flag
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What fits my lifestyle? wth are you talking about? I own a car, and it costs a shitload to fill the tank. LUckily I can see further than my own wallet (unlike some) and see that this is still a good thing for the planet. I do as much as I can in my life to be ecological. Again... unlike some. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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ok so you have a car. High gas prices are going to effect you but not as much as someone on the egde anyway. Most of us care about being ecological within reasonable boundaries. I get tired of the green high horse that people get on when they think they should do what they want but I should change my whole life. Maybe I was projecting onto you but saying high gas prices are a good thing is idiotic. It will hurt most people in one way or another. Gas provides transportation for most goods in this country. Higher prices means higher prices on everything. That means people buy less stuff and production has to be cut back. That means people lose their jobs. The whole economy could fall because gas prices are going up. There are reasonable things that can be done but this is ridiculous [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:37 AM Flag
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You're looking at it in the most short-sighted way possible. You must be a Republican. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 10:38 AM Flag
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nope. libertarian. ANd how am I being short sighted? [