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[ - ] We finally pulled the trigger and are heading to flyover for the summer. DH hasn’t met one of my cousins that lives there. She’s had some mental health struggles and is somewhat of a black sheep of the family and I’m trying to figure out how to handle her. I feel bad because her sister and dad conspired FP get custody of her teenage son last year. He seems to be thriving but they did it in a very unkind way (basically exploited her mental health struggles hired a pitbull lawyer and bribed the kid to say he wanted to live with them, the judge ultimately let the kid decide). Overall the kid is thriving with her sister but him dreading the drama a bit because I know she’s heartbroken. 36 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:32 AM Flag
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It’s a small town so I can’t really avoid her and we’ve always had a good relationship but we didn’t see her last time we were there. We did see her mom and she basically was extremely upset (her mom had custody and was working towards reunification). I honestly know I don’t have the full story from any side and I’ve been trying to stay out of it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:36 AM Flag
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Seems like a bad idea, you may end up getting pulled into the drama. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:42 AM Flag
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You've never met her. Give yourself a chance to form your own opinion. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:53 AM Flag
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OP has met her. Her DH hasn't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:12 PM Flag
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Oh my bad, I haven't had my coffee yet this morning. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:26 PM Flag
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I have, she’s the closet one in age to me where we are going, although I’m closer with my two aunts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:14 PM Flag
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*closest, jeez can’t type on this phone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:14 PM Flag
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WHY THE F*CK do people on UB insist on using the insulting word "flyover"? It's a classist word meaning that the people and places between the East Coast and West Coast are only good to fly over, not to mingle with. Can't you just say Mid-America or something? Quit insulting those of us who don't live on the coasts! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:54 AM Flag
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+1. This is a pet peeve of mine, too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:56 AM Flag
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^ PP: as soon as I saw that word, I stopped reading the post. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:57 AM Flag
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OP: I didn’t mean it as an insult. I just didn’t want to get into particulars and found it the best way to describe somewhere that isn’t on the coasts. Most of my family there actually wants to be flyover (the always talk about the people relocating from the coasts as ruining the place). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:08 PM Flag
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np: It's an insulting term regardless. Just don't use it next time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:13 PM Flag
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OP: ok sure, town in sparsely populated state. It’s actually really nice. I can’t wait to get there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:20 PM Flag
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I'm not saying you meant it in a bad way. Just noting that it's not a nice term. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:45 PM Flag
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It’s like a lot of people don’t think about the words they use in regard to race. When people say “flyover” it’s almost always short hand for “lazy, fat, and uneducated” without understanding if that were true, nothing would get done in this country. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:46 PM Flag
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It’s The Barbra Streisand Effect- saying don’t look makes people look more. By withholding information and using the vague derogatory term “flyover” it makes people more curious because they have to guess or assume context. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:15 PM Flag
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+1 I live in a coast city, Gulf Coast, and it’s probably going to surpass Chicago in population pretty soon. Still won’t get the love or respect it deserves from peeps on this board. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:05 PM Flag
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Houston? Houston is huge, and a pretty cool city, but everyone just thinks of it in terms of sweltering heat, and perhaps oil money. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:33 PM Flag
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Yes. And it is hot and humid AF but there’s a lot to be said about Houston and it’s future. There’s an energy to it (pun intended, it IS the energy capital of the world) and it’s got the people and can-do spirit. Right now we’re very nervous about the O&G situation but we’ll get through one way or another. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:42 PM Flag
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I wanna try VietCajun. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 12:05 AM Flag
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I live in NY, when I hear fly over it sounds so pretentious, as if these were jetsetters on UB, going from one sparkling location to the next..lol [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:00 PM Flag
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I mean...we have all the best rat infested bodegas here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:13 PM Flag
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I'm confused. What is there to "handle" and what does your DHS have to do with it? If you see her, nod sympathetically and move on to other topics. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:00 PM Flag
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OP: I already know it’s not going to be that easy as she’s already brought up me reunifying the family. I can’t change others opinions of her, only she can do that. She’s a lot like my mom, who is a boardline, she wants to be love and have attention paid to her but she lashes out and can’t understand that most people just want things to be chill. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:11 PM Flag
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* borederline [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:13 PM Flag
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Empathize with her, but tell her you’re not going to be there to see it through and she needs to work with the local family. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:47 PM Flag
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np -- you can't change her -- borderlines are so hard to deal with. Just be loving and supportive to her while not getting overly involved. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:58 PM Flag
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OP: I know. I think I’m just having anxiety because I’m used to dealing with them and DH is not and I just don’t want her to do something that makes him not like her because it will just make summer difficult. My aunt is already super upset that other family members exclude her. They basically came to town over the holidays and forced my aunt to cancel her party she had planned at her house with her daughter and friends so they could take her out to brunch and then didn’t understand why she wasn’t appreciative. *eye roll* honestly though I just need to keep reminding myself if family drama is the worst of my worries this summer I’ll be incredibly lucky. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:58 PM Flag
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Oh and I didn’t mention this was her birthday party. Like who throws a Birthday party for someone and excludes their daughter that they want there? Thank god we rented our own cabin. Maybe we can make some non-relative friends. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:01 PM Flag
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I do not understand why you are excited and happy to go to this shindig [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:50 PM Flag
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OP: Because aside from family it’s beautiful and peaceful. My other aunt and her bf and his friends are fun and my younger cousins are chill and will take us fishing on their boat. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:50 PM Flag
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This sounds so painful. The poor woman. Does she still get to see her son? You need to be upfront with dh and your ambivalence about this situation. With your cousin be a good listener let her know that you understand her and validate her pain, that is all you can do really. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:05 PM Flag
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She talks to him regularly but was on probation (DUI) so she couldn’t visit him. He’s far away (state on opposite side of the country). N (her sis that has custody) has a very family-oriented set up, with two kids slightly younger than my cousin’s son (well call him J). J is a good kid but wasn’t doing well in school and my cousin had rotating bfs and didn’t have the stability of a job (was a student and working part time and also getting benefits). Ultimately, I think J is better-off with N because he needed structure that my aunt and cousin couldn’t provide. Of course, I can’t say any of this to my cousin or aunt. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:33 PM Flag
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Most families have someone in it that has mental health issues or substance abuse issues or both. Why would your dh be so fragile that he can not see a woman with mental health issues? I would be civil and nice to all during my visit but stay uninvolved because you do not really know the situation. If this kid chose not to live with his mom, there is a reason for that that has nothing to do with bribes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:10 PM Flag
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that your DH is not the problem. It is you. You do clearly have an opinion and are very sympathetic to your aunt but borderlines are easier to deal with when you are farther away and it sounds like in the end, the child is better off. You need to stay the hell out of this shit show. Tell your aunt and cousin that you are happy to listen if they need to vent but then move the subject on and say you aren't going to take side. You are fresh meat to this woman and she will using you to further her needs. Susie says she can't believe youdidnt invite me. Susie says you are wrong. TELL HER YOU ARE NOT THERE TO REUNIFY THE FAMILY. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 04:54 AM Flag
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OP: Thanks for this. We texted a bit and as soon as I said there was probably nothing I can do to help her she launched into “it’s all my fault I’m so terrible” and that triggered me because my mom is very similar. I need to just stick to my guns that our relationship is independent of the rest of the family and we are very stressed out from everything that we’ve been dealing with for the past few months and need to keep conversation light and enjoyable. My DH isn’t fragile at all, he’s just a litigator and can smell bs and manipulation a mile away. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 11:49 AM Flag
[ - ] Looking for advice: 12 yo daughter gets upset whenever I try to help or instruct her on hygiene issues. She is clean, but her hair is too long, greasy at roots , dry and frizzy at the ends, she has acne, which we are treating with derm, but she gets so upset when I remind her to apply cream or ask if she wants me to do a facial. I am worried about her self esteem. Right now we aren’t interacting with anyone, so I’ve let it slide, but I worry that she might be bullied once she is back around kids. 18 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 10:41 AM Flag
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My dd is the same. She does not care and gets upset if I mention anything. I wish I had advice but I don’t. She does not get teased. She has a great group of friends and has had no social issues at all She is 13. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:03 AM Flag
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This is us! My 11 yo...it's a fight to get her to wash her hair. She totally lies and I have to smell her head to make sure she washed it. Getting her to out on deodorant...oh lord. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:25 AM Flag
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totally normal for 11 yr. we had same , they grow out of it. its just not important to them. if their friends say something then they listen - i pointed that out and just kept reminder to shower, put on deodorant [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:05 PM Flag
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are you worried that she already has low self-esteem, or that she will develop it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:39 AM Flag
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Both. She is confident in intellectual abilities. But I worry that her lack of caring about her appearance is just a mask bc she feels bad about it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:06 PM Flag
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She’s 12 and probably not that interested in impressing anyone. Is she were a boy would you care? As long as she showers and brushes her teeth I’d let it slide. She will change her tune in a year or two. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:43 PM Flag
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or maybe she actually doesn't care. your standards are not necessarily her standards. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:28 PM Flag
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My 13 yo dd is the same. She doesn't give an f about how she looks and I think it is awesome! I used to question the outfits she throw together but she says no one says a word. She has zero insecurities about her looks and I think that's incredibly healthy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:25 PM Flag
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You sound like my mom. Every time she would remind me to wash my hair, I would hear “your hair is greasy and disgusting”. You mean well but every reminder from you sounds like a critique of her appearance from her perspective and it hurts her. Btdt. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:41 PM Flag
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I know. I feel like a bad stereotype. Because we are in quarantine, I ignore it as much as possible. Any advice? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:08 PM Flag
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Lay off on her. If it starts becoming an issue socially for her, you can be sure she will be religiously applying that acne cream. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:35 PM Flag
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She might like some cool bath & hair products. Currently I’m obsessed with Lush, they have these cool bath bombs and Shampoo bars. Honestly I’m normally a shower, blow dry my hair every day person and I’ve become greaseball during quarantine and these silly bath bombs are the only reason I look forward to getting clean, the only problem is DH keeps stealing them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:47 PM Flag
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Some of your criticisms are more appearance-based than hygiene-based. Dry hair? Frizzy hair? Hair too long? That's not hygiene. So basically she hears you harping about her appearance (that it's not up to par for you) and that's going to be more of a hit to her self-esteem than teasing from kids. I think you are overly worried about bullying from kids; these issues are not unusual for kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:11 PM Flag
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I agree. I mentioned my 13 year old above and I try to get her to shower and brush her teeth. Beyond that, I live her alone. She does not have self esteem issues. In fact, mil said to her that she is getting older and should start spending more time on her looks and she said "you are sexist because you never say that to my brother." She has plenty of confidence. I think the kids worried about looks can be a confidence issue. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:14 PM Flag
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This! If she smells, then by all means ask her wear deodorant. Otherwise, leave her alone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:15 PM Flag
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:38 PM Flag
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I find that role modeling helps. I started doing yogurt/honey masks together with my dd every Sunday morning. You can do "hair masks". Also, if her hair is long, tell her not to apply conditioner to the hair roots, only to the lower half of the hair. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 08:38 PM Flag
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let it go - it's the age. it's her body. she'll get older and handle this on her own in her own way. over the years, my dd has bought her own face masks and gotten her own acne products. she even recently started doing YouTube exercise videos. at 12, my dd was still kind of a tomboy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 12:23 AM Flag
[ - ] Anyone watched Selling Sunset? Can we talk about it? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:33 AM Flag
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I am...it's quite a show. The clothes and how pulled together and beautiful they are I can't believe. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:26 AM Flag
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Really? DH thinks they all look horrible except for Chrishell. I wonder what the deal is with the twin guys that run the real estate firm. They seem to have the ultimate Peter Pan syndrome. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:38 AM Flag
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It was shocking at first bc they looked so....extra but then my eyes got used to it but yeah while I would LOVE to live in any one of the houses with an infinity pool, I’d hate to be in a city full of women looking like that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:00 PM Flag
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^^I can’t wait for season 3. I really like Chrishell and Amanza and of course Maya, Mary and Romain. Loved getting to know Romain and finding out how level headed he is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:02 PM Flag
[ - ] CNN CEO of american story - my big q is why was he flying southwest? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:46 AM Flag
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American flight sold out. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:47 AM Flag
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is that why? i was so confused by that! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:02 AM Flag
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That's what articles say. American's flight to Panama sold out, so he flew Southwest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 05:25 AM Flag
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Because he loves 737s. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:35 AM Flag
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Maybe AA doesn't fly the specific route he was traveling. For this reason, there are inter-airline agreements that enable employees to fly on other carriers at discount or accomodative fares. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:23 AM Flag
[ - ] I am sad because for the past 5 years, after having to leave NYC for work reasons, I have wanted to come back. For a year I have been seriously trying, the the pandemic happened and even the few opportunities I was getting for interviews, disappeared or paused indefinitely. But will it still be the NYC I have lived in for 22 years? Will it go back to being the great (although crazy expensive - this I dont miss) melting pot and cradle of culture and the arts? I have a few friends in the city who tell me how bad it's getting, now with the looting, etc. It truly makes me sad and I still hope I will be able to come back, I hope things improve. It is still the greatest city in the world. 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:10 AM Flag
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I mean - the looting is a week old issue. coronavirus is a couple months old issue. it being insanely expensive is a decades old issue. which do you want help with? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:47 AM Flag
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NYC has periods of unsafety and grossness. This is the phase it will go through for the next decade before it can rebuild again. It was getting too expensive for its own good. Corona ran people out and now the looting is the icing. People are leaving with their young children. companies are renting offices elsewhere. There are businesses that will not have made it thru all of this. It will come back, but it's a cycle. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:26 AM Flag
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I'm in Park Slope and only know one family that is actually moving--everyone else is staying put or going away for a few weeks in the summer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 04:51 AM Flag
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You have posted a few times before, right? I think you're romanticizing NY way too much at this point. Move back or don't move back. The city is not going to fall to ruins. If you want to be here, great. But it almost sounds like you're putting it up on this huge pedestal that is completely set up to fail you once you're back. Why don't you come out here and visit one of those friends and see for yourself. We're not in a great place this week, but my hope is that these protests don't go on until Jan 20. It's a great city, but it's not the only city you can be happy in. Come back or don't come back. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:16 PM Flag
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I agree. She has a lot of issues and thinks NYC will solve them. A city will not solve your problems. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:15 PM Flag
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I am you except that I took a job, my husband gave notice at his workplace, we signed a contract with a school and now ... there is no office permanently (the job is still great) and no reason to come. My heart aches to be in NY but I don't know when that will happen as I know that to be fair to my family I need to be open to things falling into place where we are. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:16 PM Flag
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op- just coming back this morning. Thank you for all your replies. I am not looking for a city to solve my problems. I have been thinking moving back to NYC for so long, simply because it is the only place I know well and where I have a few friends. And at my age it is not easy to relocate somewhere. That said, I agree that the city always goes through phases. Thank you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:17 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone here old enough to remember the summer of Son of Sam? Rolling brownouts in the city- I lived in the bronx - I think it was '76 or '77. 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:58 AM Flag
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Yes. There was a blackout with looting in 1977. I remember just sitting in the dark and the heat and listening to the sound of breaking glass. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:10 AM Flag
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yes. I was about 5 years old. I remember being in the street during another brownout - it was scary. DIdn't even know about the serial killer! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:26 AM Flag
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Yep, that was a crazy time. And the blackout, we were home and my dad was at a class at Columbia, he walked home to us. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:02 AM Flag
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I remember when it was announced that David Berkowitz had been caught. I was in day camp in Queens. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:35 AM Flag
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I remember all that and also the 60s race riots. Any questions? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:25 AM Flag
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I remember Son of Sam and the riots in 1977 very well. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:46 AM Flag
[ - ] anyone else think that the teachers unions have zero incentive to support opening schools in september? it’s easier and safer for them to stay home and they will get a salary anyway. i think this is going to be the biggest barrier to opening schools in september. and before you criticize i’m a doctor who assumes some degree of risk going to work everyday cause i know we have to start seeing patients again or we’ll go bankrupt. 156 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:14 AM Flag
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But if people start withdrawing kids from NYC schools, how long before lay offs start? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:19 AM Flag
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no effect [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:21 AM Flag
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a friend's dh is a teacher in the uk and went to a meeting where teachers were up in arms about reopening (granted much earlier than here) and said he wanted to chime in and say 'look guys, we have to reopen the economy, we can't never go back into a classroom until this goes away' but felt intimidated by the noise to speak up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:25 AM Flag
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As a NYC DOE teacher, I find this incredibly offensive. I would love nothing more then to go back to my classroom and school. I also want to keep my 4 kids at home safe, as well as my elderly parents. Don’t think teachers are screaming to keep schools closed - we are not. We just want safety measures in place. I don’t think that is a lot to ask. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:33 AM Flag
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it's more that we all feel that way but most of us don't have the power that you do over the economy and our livelihoods to make demands as to what that looks like. so maybe hold fire on being 'incredibly offended'. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:46 AM Flag
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I don't teach but curious--how many children do you work with? Are they good about handwashing, covering their faces? Do they pick their noses? And then do they touch everything? How many times have they sneezed in your face? Cried on you? Think harder about the differences between your job and the jobs many teachers have to do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:56 AM Flag
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it's not worse. sorry. between the subway and the crowding of NYC and the fact that many are required to work in crowded unsanitary conditions for their job - you don't get the monopoly on it. you just have a union. i support your right to have an union 100%. but you don't get to pretend you're the only ones who face risk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:03 AM Flag
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Absolutely this! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:09 AM Flag
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ummmmm... pretty sure I didn’t claim we are the only ones who face risk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:38 AM Flag
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You didn't. This poster is angry and lashing out all over the thread with what-about-isms. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:58 AM Flag
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This [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:26 AM Flag
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28 kids in my class, all between the ages of 7-8. They are snotty, butt picking, spitting, snorting, coughing kids and I miss every single one of them. Bodily fluids are exchanged all day everyday, and that is part of the job. You can’t escape it. My classroom is 200 square feet max. you can do the math. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:13 AM Flag
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I 100% get it. leading up to march closures I shared an office for 5 people with - no joke - 15 people because our firm could not afford to expand. One guy got RSV and then we ALL got RSV. I then gave RSV to my small children. NYC is tough all over. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:29 AM Flag
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and to be clear when I say office I mean meeting room within a larger floor. a meeting room for 5 people was an office for 15. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:29 AM Flag
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Thank you for what you do every day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:50 AM Flag
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Not sure what you are talking about - as a 2nd grade teacher in the The Bronx, I do not feel I “have the power over you do over the economy”. WTF are you talking about?? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:07 AM Flag
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you have a union that will represent your interests. Most of us do not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:30 AM Flag
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Clearly you don’t get it. The union is useless. I pay over $120 a month and get nothing. It’s useless [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:42 AM Flag
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if the teachers union is useless that is a different problem, and one for which you have my sympathies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:49 AM Flag
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Really? Generous health care, pensions, impossible to fire even bad teachers - you call that useless? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:17 PM Flag
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And you made a choice to enter a profession that isn't unionized. Many (not all, I realise) of these professions are much more highly paid than unionized workforces. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:56 AM Flag
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And you chose to be in a profession that is essential, so you have to do it. I am not essential and that's why I was quickly discarded, have no protections at all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:18 PM Flag
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Teachers are not asking not to teach. FFS. They are still teaching, and they want to go back and teach live in the fall WITH SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE which the DOE won't commit to. Your anger is so misguided here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:23 PM Flag
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You make zero sense. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:08 AM Flag
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I know teachers who think otherwise [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:25 AM Flag
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:55 PM Flag
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My best friend teaches 5th grade in Queens and is still recovering from the virus after being diagnosed about 35 days ago. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:42 AM Flag
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And MTA workers or supermarket employees have not gotten sick? Do they have more protections? Teachers are essential employees and have to go back to work in the fall. They have been given generous benefits for years exactly because they are this important. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:46 AM Flag
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MTA and supermarkets have done what they can to protect workers and promote social distancing (eg. screens, floor markers, closing off seating). All teachers unions are asking for is the equivalent measures in a school setting. The problem is that DOE is dragging their feet on doing it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:54 AM Flag
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If your cashier gets sick there's another one to replace her. But if your teacher gets sick it's a big deal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 05:19 AM Flag
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We've never been short of subs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:55 PM Flag
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You want a sub teaching your kid? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:12 PM Flag
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For the time a teacher will be out, I'll be fine with it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:31 PM Flag
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Where did she get the virus since the school closed more than 70 days ago. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:25 PM Flag
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Is she was diagnosed 35 days ago she didn’t get it from School. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:25 PM Flag
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I think her point may have been that it is a very dangerous virus that no one wants to get. Who knows how one will be affected. It could be mild for you or life threatening. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:48 PM Flag
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Sure but then what does her being a 5th grade teacher have to do with it? I live in Queens and we all got COVID. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:28 PM Flag
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Who else is going to take her place? a sub? Have you seen the quality of substitute teachers? they suck! you may as well go back to online teaching. Nothing will get done with a sub. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 05:18 PM Flag
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Who knows but she tutors on the side. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:12 PM Flag
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my dc's teacher died. I'm still extremely upset. I hope you get better soon. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 12:26 AM Flag
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No - it’s not like they’re sitting at home eating bon-bons during all this. I can’t imagine have to download and grade 30 kids’ assignments and comment and upload. And many are parents too! It’s probably much easier to teach a normal day of school than to carry out all this remote learning or even teach multiple shifts of kids in a staggered schedule. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:16 AM Flag
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This. I'm afraid that there is still this prevailing myth that teaching is easy. And, it is perpetuated by people who have never taught. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:46 AM Flag
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But that’s your job. We all have to do work to do our jobs, as well. Working remotely, at least in my industry, is more challenging. I’m tired of hearing how teachers think their work hardships are disproportionate to the work hardships of others. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:10 PM Flag
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This! We all have kids at home and have to do our jobs, 8-12h a day sometimes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:06 PM Flag
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There's nothing like teaching, please have dinner with some teachers. Particularly teachers in public schools filled with poor students. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:08 PM Flag
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I figured this was coming. Look at other people’s professions. They, too, are uniquely different from what you do, and uniquely difficult. Yet most people do not go on about how hard they work and how much harder they work than people in other professions. Yet the teachers I know all have this mindset that no one works harder or suffers more than they do, and no matter what, non teachers cannot possibly understand their hardships. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:25 PM Flag
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Honestly, if you ever spent any time in a classroom this isn't a comment you would make. There is a reason that the drop out rate in teaching is so high. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:18 PM Flag
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Both of my parents are teachers. Yes, it is hard work but other parents are also working hard and helping their kids with schooling. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:13 PM Flag
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Good for your parents. I'd invited anyone who thinks teaching isn't hard to spend a week in a classroom, then evenings preparing lesson plans, then "free time" interacting with parents and administration. Oh, and figure out how to go to the bathroom when there are no breaks. Oh, and stand up in the hallway eating lunch. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:19 PM Flag
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I’m not saying that teaching isn’t hard. But you’re not listening. You’re just proving my point that you have unique hardships and you’re ignoring the point that other jobs also have unique hardships but don’t think they suffer more than any other worker. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:32 PM Flag
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But the WORKERS of those other jobs don’t think they suffer more than others, that is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:34 PM Flag
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Teachers don't think they suffer more than others. They just want recognition that they suffer like everyone else, and for people to stop disrespecting their profession and claiming they are slackers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 08:09 PM Flag
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THIS. I can't think of any other profession (DMV workers, maybe?) where the general public feels more comfortable trash talking them based on limited understanding. I'm not surprised teachers are defensive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:46 PM Flag
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Dude, we are all working hard. Why is it so hard to comprehend that others deal with coworkers, bosses, deadlines, client troubles, etc? And their kids at home? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 08:29 PM Flag
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^^ And add to that job insecurity for many of us. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:16 PM Flag
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Please. Get to know some teachers. I wouldn't want that job at quadruple the pay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:08 PM Flag
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I don't think they DO think this, though. Whenever I have heard a teacher talk about how hard they work (either during CoVid or previously) it has been in response to claims from others that they barely work. They are not saying their hardships are worse, just trying to get recognition that they don't have it easy like people claim. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 08:00 PM Flag
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My sister wants to come back because the alternative that is being discussed is a staggered schedule. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:17 AM Flag
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First, I think you should talk to some teachers before you declare that it is easier...cause it isn't. Second, they are earning every penny of what they make (as I'm sure you are). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:27 AM Flag
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As a doctor, you've chosen a profession where the degree of risk to your health is greater than if you were, e.g., a lawyer. That's a choice you've made. Teachers didn't choose to be teachers with full knowledge that they would be exposed to life-threatening illnesses. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:42 AM Flag
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I mean... most of us are in this boat who work. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:47 AM Flag
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Most jobs that require staff to be on site have taken measures to reduce risk. Of course it can't be completely eliminated. Teachers don't think it can be completely eliminated for them either. But the DOE has to do what it can to protect workers. At the moment, it's refusing to commit to anything. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:55 AM Flag
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Many employers have come out and said the issue is not the office but how you get people to the office - i.e. subways and trains. Again, that is on the govn't to solve, and to date they said they will not be doing anything besides nightly cleanings. The Point is that EVERYONE who goes back to work is at risk, not just teachers. Kids go back to school, they will bring home whatever germs to their families too. Teachers are not exempt [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:44 PM Flag
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I’m pretty sure seasonal flu is life threatening too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:27 PM Flag
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Let's put to rest the idea that COVID is like the flu. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:07 PM Flag
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I hope you read CDC's latest estimate that COVID has a mortality rate of 0.4% for people showing symptoms which means the mortality rate is even lower for all infected. 0.4% is not unlike flu. Even if you believe COVID is nothing like flu, I'm just using flu as an example to say that teachers did sign for profession with slight more health risk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:55 PM Flag
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Everyone is in this situation! Teachers are not an exception here. We all will be returning to work, and while I might not work with kids, I will have to ride packed subway cars to get to my office. No one "signed up" for this but its the reality we will have to live with. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:26 PM Flag
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Teachers are not asking not to return to work. They are asking for the DOE to take measures to make it safer (not completely risk free) for them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:56 PM Flag
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What measures have teachers been asking for? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 08:56 PM Flag
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Extra cleaning staff to clean surfaces; sanitation supplies (do you realise how many schools in NYC don't even have soap in the bathrooms?); staggered schedules so kids aren't all crowding the hallways at the same times and can sit more than a foot apart in classrooms. https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-teachers-push-for-specific-safety-measures-before-schools-reopen-11589731201 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:20 PM Flag
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Teacher here: it is safer to stay home, but not easier. FYI, the demands the union is making (eg. staggered schedule) would result in teachers being at school full time, just with students more spread out (and other measures like better testing, cleaning, etc). None of this is ideal but I think the union's position is a good compromise. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:20 AM Flag
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what is the unions position? No school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:48 PM Flag
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No. Inform yourself before mouthing off. The union is calling for a staggered schedule to make physical distancing possible (eg. students alternate days); PPE for teachers; temperature testing; measures to ensure students who turn up sick are sent home or cared for outside of class. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:55 PM Flag
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I am on white Facebook group full of teachers and many want to go back and other feel it is unsafe. My dh works at a giant company and he said many want to go back and many feel it is unsafe. The difference is that his job can take safety precautions. There are kids in the doe that bite, kids that wear diapers, kids that need 1:1 assistance all day. I think a lot of UB thinks schools are filled with a neuro-typical students. It is a huge system of with many different students. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:14 AM Flag
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What is a white Facebook group? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:24 PM Flag
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Sorry, whole facebook group! I need to go to my eye dr when it opens. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:16 PM Flag
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True, plus all classes are overcrowded (28-32 students), so there is a basic challenge for everyone and I've not heard one decent strategy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:50 PM Flag
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THIS! How many of the people here are in an "office" with 30 people in close quarters? And, you don't social distance from kids in a classroom? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:09 PM Flag
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White facebook group? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:51 PM Flag
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whole! It is a diverse group of NYC educators! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:17 PM Flag
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oh, LOL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 05:18 PM Flag
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Yes, me. Parents are homeschooling, so why not extend the situation for much longer? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:25 AM Flag
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Rather than lashing out at teachers, why don't you fight for strong unions for all of us? Isn't that what you're saying you want? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:37 PM Flag
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Never going to happen [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:53 PM Flag
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I totally agree. They want to be paid their full salaries for doing 3 hours of work a day while watching their own kids. Who wouldn't? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:40 PM Flag
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And don't try to tell me they're working all day. My 3rd grader has two 20 minute zoom calls a week and every assignment is from one online site or another. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:41 PM Flag
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Google is the teacher now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 05:19 PM Flag
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This [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:53 PM Flag
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stfu - this is gross. they are swamped with work. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 12:27 AM Flag
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Zero. The union won’t want to pay benefits if these teachers start getting sick from Covid. Offer issue is that wealthy folks are not coming back , and screening is going away. There will be no tax base to pay for these teachers and their insane benefits. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:50 PM Flag
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Yes, if we talking public schools, 80% of the kids attending our public schools (Chicago) are poor. And, the poor in Chicago are the ones most hit by the virus...which means these kids have the greatest chance of being carriers of the virus. Let me ask you: Would you go back to work under those conditions? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:06 PM Flag
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I didn't know that we got to choose when and how we feel like working. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:08 PM Flag
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I don't work in a small room with 28 to 30 people. And, people in a demographic that is constantly catching colds, with runny noses, and whose work I am supposed to check from the distance of over their shoulders. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:17 PM Flag
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I work in a 100 percent open office, think trading desk. With 200 people in close quarters. My ass will be in seat when I am told [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 05:46 PM Flag
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This! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:18 PM Flag
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I don't know of a single teacher who went into teaching cause it was an easy gig. They go into teaching cause they are committed to teaching, and those who don't leave pretty quickly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:05 PM Flag
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Lol you don't know many teachers then. I am related to seven or eight current and retired teachers and every one of them did it so they could be home by 4 and have summers off. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:07 PM Flag
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I don't believe you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:12 PM Flag
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Several of my teacher friends have admitted this to me, too. Every June I regret my decision not to become a teacher. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:28 PM Flag
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I don't believe you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:54 PM Flag
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You don’t know me. And I am telling the truth. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:01 PM Flag
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Same here ! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 05:47 PM Flag
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Your family sound like the bad apples that give teachers a bad name then, because I know many teachers and not one of them did it for that reason. Must suck to be related to such awful people. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 08:02 PM Flag
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I am a teacher and being home with my kids after school and during summers was a factor for me. Is that wrong? I know many people who went into different fields for financial reasons and nobody bats an eye. Good hours and a pension is a job perk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 08:43 PM Flag
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Sure, but is it the only reason like this poster is claiming? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:16 PM Flag
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No, certainly not. It helps though! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 10:31 PM Flag
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Sure. That's different from the myth that teachers are lazy and motivated only by time off. I am home with my kids after school but I'm also working for several hours after they go to bed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 10:53 PM Flag
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What? I'm a teacher and grade papers almost every night. Then I teach summer school in the summer--if I didn't, we couldn't afford our mortgage. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 04:53 AM Flag
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How would you propose social distancing 30 kids in a classroom? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:09 PM Flag
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Amazing. This board is filled with women complaining about having to manage a kid or two on remote learning, and yet the attitude seems to be that teachers are slackers... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:16 PM Flag
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Come on. Have you been able to successfully teach multiple kids in *different* classes, all while doing your own job? It's literally like having 3+ full time jobs at the same time. And that's if they can WFH! When Cuomo announced the phases to have people return to work before education, how does he expect women to return to work without childcare? It's insane. Many women are juggling multiple things right now and I dont see men cutting back hours or quitting their jobs to help with the kids schooling or childcare. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:32 PM Flag
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This isn't a question for teachers, this is a question for the government. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:54 PM Flag
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Most of these women are also working full time. My dc is finished with remote school by 10:00 each morning and has one live class a day. (Middle school). I don’t think the teachers are slackers, but I do fault the administration for this pathetic effort. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:33 PM Flag
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I don't expect my children's teachers to endanger their lives. I'm not endangering mind, even if I go back to working in an office with adults, each of whom with wear a mask, wash their hands 20x a day, and sit in well ventilated offices. This isn't the teachers' issue, this is a larger issue. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:36 PM Flag
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Thank you. I know families are tired, I know that they are worried about their jobs, however, let's not fault teachers for not wanting to risk their lives. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:41 PM Flag
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So when do teachers feel like going back? 2021? 2023? 2025? We certainly don't want any teachers to be uncomfortable. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:45 PM Flag
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NP: I don't want teachers to die. You know, or at least I hope you do, this isn't a matter of being uncomfortable. This is a matter of life and death for teachers and their families. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:51 PM Flag
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So....never then? But of course they still want to be paid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:57 PM Flag
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ok, so everyone else has to go back to work and risk their lives but teachers can stay home and get paid, because... why? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:39 PM Flag
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Are you going to an office of 30 people sitting packaged in a room, and several of them have some kind of minor illness causing sneezing, coughing...etc? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 05:12 PM Flag
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how many people cram into a subway car during rush hour? far more than 30. There is literally no personal space. Maybe they will be wearing masks, maybe they wont. How is this different? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 06:21 PM Flag
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Do those people spend the entire day on the subway? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 06:26 PM Flag
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Does that make a difference? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:43 PM Flag
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Well yes, actually. Virus is most often spread by prolonged close contact. By the way, many teachers will be riding subway cars to schools, and THEN spending the entire day in close contact with 30 kids with no space to distance and no cleaning supplies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:57 PM Flag
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I teach and take the subway! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 10:32 PM Flag
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They shouldn't be paid if they're not working [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:43 PM Flag
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Do you not have to ride a crowded subway to get to work? If your child goes to school they will then be bringing home whatever they pick up to you as well. "Endangering" your life also. We either reopen, or we don't. If you have to go to work and your children dont have to go to school, how would that even work? You are ok to quit your job in that scenario? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:48 PM Flag
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I don't think that this is an issue teachers should be asked to solve. The teachers I know work/sleep..that's it. And, yes, they have kids at home, too. Many of them teach in poor schools, where 70% of the parents don't speak English, so they are teaching subject matter AND they are helping kids navigate life. And, they do it without the respect, let alone the gratitude of the public. Contact your local system's head office and ask this question..don't put this issue teachers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:53 PM Flag
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I dont think I am asking the teachers to solve this issue. The govn't is asking people to get back to work without solving many issues - including how to safely get anyone to work (subway), and how to protect teachers or provide childcare if schools have to close. Teachers are not alone here [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:16 PM Flag
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I hear you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 05:11 PM Flag
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Agreed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 06:37 PM Flag
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That is silly. I think that those teachers with medical conditions should be given an option to stay home, but others must return. I need to take two different subway lines to get to work, so my environment is not rush free either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 06:11 PM Flag
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Do you spend the entire day on the subway? Then you can say it is the same. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 06:26 PM Flag
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No, but I will be spending my day in an open space environment with a lot of people. Commuting to work takes about an hour each way, so I will have plenty of exposure to the virus. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 06:50 PM Flag
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Not the same as a teacher who commutes, spends hours each day in a room with 30 plus kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:17 PM Flag
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See? They have it so much harder than anyone else!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:25 PM Flag
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I know... it’s insane [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:56 PM Flag
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Does it matter? you're splitting hairs trying to prove a point [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:45 PM Flag
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This [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:55 PM Flag
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Covid is dangerous, but the danger is very heavily skewed toward the elderly. If you're under 50, Covid is less deadly than seasonal flu. And we don't close the schools every flu season. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 06:44 PM Flag
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75% of the deaths are the elderly,which means 25% are not. However, we are learning that for even those who recover, the damage to the body is huge. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 07:16 PM Flag
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No. The teachers' unions want to reopen with safety measures. Many public schools don't even have funding for soap in the restrooms: the unions want sanitation supplies, cleaning protocols, and staggered schedules to allow for distancing. What is unreasonable about that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 08:07 PM Flag
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I dont see how staggered schedules would work in reality here. Does it mean teachers have to work longer hours? Or some kids are home from school some days - who provides childcare on those days? Teachers cant be expected to be teaching in person and online at the same time. Seems like this would make things infinitely harder on teachers tbh. The City is conceding that they will not be able to do social distancing on the subway, and are just encouraging people to wear masks. I have a feeling that's what is going to happen with schools too. Increased sanitation, cleaning, handwashing, and PPE - def not unreasonable [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:08 PM Flag
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Maybe. The problem is that cleaning, sanitation, and handwashing facilities are limited to nonexistent in many schools, especially those that don't have a wealthy parent body to fundraise and the DOE is reluctant to commit to the cost of providing the extra measures for the indefinite period that the virus is a threat. That is where everyone's anger should be directed, not at the teachers' unions who are insisting on them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:15 PM Flag
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that is insane!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:18 PM Flag
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What is? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:44 PM Flag
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Of course it is. Welcome to education (under)funding for the last several decades. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:56 PM Flag
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Yes. DOE wants any cleaning/sanitation measures to come from schools' existing budgets, meaning every dollar spent on custodian hours, hand sanitiser, etc, is one less dollar available to fund the actual education provided, at a time when schools are already incredibly under-resourced. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:59 PM Flag
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exactly! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 12:28 AM Flag
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I think teachers CAN teach in person and online at the same time and it's exactly what they should do. Just do live streaming. And I think teacher should work longer hours. Anyone I know who's WFH now is working longer hours and many for a reduced pay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:59 PM Flag
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I am a teacher. I know it's not the prevailing myth (and I want to be clear here that I am saying this in response to your statement that we need to work longer hours, not spontaneously whining) but I already work long hours outside of instructional time, grading and planning for my MS ELA classes. I am at school from 7 to 5, and I work for 2-3 more hours at night after my own children are asleep. I do a full day of work on the weekend while DH takes the kids out. If instructional hours are extended further by staggering, parents will have to accept that some of their children's work won't be graded and that lessons will be less interesting/dynamic, because there are just no more hours available for me to work. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 10:08 PM Flag
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That's really a lot of hours. Thanks for the insights. Then I think live streaming so half of the class stays home at any given time is the way to go. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 02:08 AM Flag
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it isn't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 12:28 AM Flag
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This is more about anti-union. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 09:49 PM Flag
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No, I do not think this AT ALL. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 10:23 PM Flag
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stop union bashing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.20, 12:29 AM Flag
[ - ] Would like to sign up my rising 7th grader for an online, synchronous math class this summer. Any ideas who might offer this? Thanks 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:47 AM Flag
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Look at Russian Math online options. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:04 AM Flag
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Maybe launch math classes [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:10 AM Flag
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Poly Prep is offering classes to non-Poly students as well. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:14 AM Flag
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oooh. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:24 AM Flag
[ - ] Any MD mom please, or anyone who would know? So strange, first time this happens to me... about an hour ago a small vein on my right lower arm started to hurt intermittently (as if someone pokes it w a needle) I am in great health, never had vein issues and don't understand where this is coming from. Did not want to look on Google (I worry) but I did and talks about phlebitis... hope that is not the case. Will it go away on its own? I have pretty slim arms and could always see my veins.Does not look different, just slightly more raised than the one on the other arm... thanks for any feedback. 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:46 AM Flag
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Sorry, not an MD- but if you live in an area with COVID-19, maybe get a COVID test? There are a lot of weird-ass COVID symptoms that have vascular involvement (like covid toe). https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/from-headaches-to-covid-toes-coronavirus-symptoms-are-a-bizarre-mix1/ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:10 AM Flag
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Was it itchy? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:19 AM Flag
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op- sorry, just coming back to the post - no, not itchy, still feels like intermittent light sting, as if someone pokes you w a needle (closest description I can find) not hurting a lot, but it is strange. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:59 AM Flag
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That type of pain in usually nerve related. Try to keep your arm in a relaxed position. probably nerve inflammation [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 04:59 AM Flag
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not a doctor, but I would take 2 aspirin, drink a lot of water, and call a real doctor. good luck. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:23 AM Flag
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I get strange sore veins in my hands that get worse when I am dehydrated. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:24 AM Flag
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op - drinking a lot of water. Thank you all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:59 AM Flag
[ - ] I feel like covid has just killed opportunity for so many - us included. DH (laid off) has a word doc where he keeps a record of every job he's applied to and we are now closing in on 500 with 2 interviews - and that's not even counting all the networking and linkedin messages. I feel like we are screwed for a long time and I have no idea what to do. 16 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:23 AM Flag
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I am sorry you are going through this. It will improve. Hang in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:28 AM Flag
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Laid off too. All we can do is hang in there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:29 AM Flag
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Shutting the country will be viewed as perhaps one of the biggest mistakes in history. 40 million unemployed, and trillions of tax dollars wasted on the bailout. We are just seeing the beginning of the problems with the economic unrest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:50 AM Flag
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op - i don't know if that's true just bc i'm not sure we'll ever know how many lives were saved. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:59 AM Flag
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np - regardless, people are going to see this as a failure, facts do not seem to matter any longer [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:05 AM Flag
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It was a mistake to shut the country instead of keeping the older and vulnerable population indoors. History will not look kindly at our blunders. Which, in NYC, continue. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:13 AM Flag
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Hindsight is 2020. The world was collectively in uncharted territory for this coronavirus. Lots of countries effed up not just the US. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:55 AM Flag
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Well they had to that because they refused to shut down flights on time, have tests and facilities ready, institute mandatory quarantine for hot-spot arrivals. I can go on but you get the picture. Also, this shut down did not hurt as bad in European countries, because they have much stronger safety net. the mistake is allowing our society to be where we are - atrocious health care, poverty, money grab for corporations. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:14 AM Flag
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This x 1,000,000 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:52 AM Flag
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Totally agree with lack of safety net and operating like a third world country . Loss of jobs and loss of health insurance, our kids end up paying eventually. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:32 AM Flag
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X1million [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:38 AM Flag
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Op, how long has it been? I know it’s hard. Dh lost his job but landed his dream job. It was due to a LinkedIn posting. Good luck. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:57 AM Flag
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aw that gives me hope. He lost his job early march. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:04 AM Flag
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That’s not very long. Dh was told by a recruiter it takes on average 6-9 months to find a new job and that it will probably be due to networking. I am in flyover (a big 5 city) so maybe it’s different here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:10 AM Flag
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that sounds right - but the response rate is so low it makes me despair even for 6-9 mos. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:27 AM Flag
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Don’t despair. Hang in there. It’s a lousy time to be looking for work. It’ll happen! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:48 PM Flag
[ - ] Has anyone's camp actually announced they will open this summer after Cuomo's approval today? I heard two camps just sent cancellation emails saying there is no way they can make it work with health guidelines. 15 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:22 AM Flag
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I’m in CT and one camp closed but the Y camp has opened. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:26 AM Flag
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92ysaid July 15 few weeks ago [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:26 AM Flag
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They cancelled yesterday. Refunds are being generated unless you want to donate it.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:52 AM Flag
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At least Yomi was cancelled In Rockland they will have something at the 92nd st location. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:53 AM Flag
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Email I got said delayed till July 15 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:54 AM Flag
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I did not get an update yesterday. Last I have says July 15 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:11 AM Flag
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Which two? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:32 AM Flag
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The guidelines weren't officially put out yet. I think camps are running out of time or know they can't meet the restrictions. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:35 AM Flag
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Ours emailed and said they are not opening in July, but hope to open in August. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:37 AM Flag
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^^this is 92y [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:40 AM Flag
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What is Ramapo doing? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:08 AM Flag
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we are waiting to hear from them too... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:50 AM Flag
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I thought Ramapo was opening? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:14 AM Flag
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They say they are... but I called and they are still waiting on health dept guidelines. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:26 AM Flag
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which two camps? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:53 AM Flag
[ - ] Well, back on curfew for the first time in 20 years. 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.02.20, 11:54 PM Flag
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77 years is more like it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.20, 11:57 PM Flag
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I meant myself personally, not the city [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:50 AM Flag
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Can we just start 2020 over, or skip it altogether? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.20, 11:58 PM Flag
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it's all so awful. I have had some serious health issues and was so looking forward to this summer. it's been gorgeous out, so I've tried to get out to enjoy it as much as possible. i'm not voicing this too much, but I'm worried that I won't live to see another summer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:04 AM Flag
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Hugs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:13 AM Flag
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So sorry to hear this - sending good vibes your way and truly hope that isn't the case. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:20 AM Flag
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I am really sorry. Please do the best you can to live fully in the time you have left [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:26 AM Flag
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I’m so sorry. I hope you have many, many summers to enjoy. Healing vibes! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:06 AM Flag
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Sending you love. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:58 AM Flag
[ - ] Anyone own a fridge w the camera and or French door? Worth it? 17 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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General Topics 06.02.20, 11:33 PM Flag
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We have the french door / bottom freezer. LOVE it. Wasn't any more expensive, but a lot better! Don't think I'd ever use the camera [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.20, 11:39 PM Flag
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Love our french door fridge. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.02.20, 11:57 PM Flag
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I love the French Door but do nI t have a camera. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:44 AM Flag
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I have no need for a camera or a wifi connected refrigerator, but I do love my french doors and freezer on the bottom [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 01:54 AM Flag
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what is the camera for? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:04 AM Flag
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this [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 12:52 PM Flag
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Man, the last thing I need is my refrigerator filming me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:19 AM Flag
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righhhttttt? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:22 AM Flag
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What? Wtf would anyone want that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 02:57 AM Flag
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I saw one in action at the Samsung store. Seemed like a bad idea. If milk or a box of cake is in front of the camera, you can't see anything behind it so kind of pointless. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 03:19 AM Flag
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Oh, it shows you what's in the fridge so you don't have to open the door? So silly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.03.20, 11:55 AM