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06.11.20, 20:36 PM General Topics
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I'm so so upset about the schools becoming partially remote in September in NYC. Already, we're behind every other nation in providing daycare and preschools, not they're taking away full time school too! The rich will be just fine, with their private schools and tutors and other homeschooling options they will organize on their days off. The poor will suffer even more. I'm literally devastated over this. Young kids don't suffer as much from covid statistically (with exceptions of course). It's so so unfair to them. Why can't we quarantine older adults and let schools open up? So wrong. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.11.20, 08:36 PM Flag
 

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You can’t quarantine just older adults. But I agree, there are many many systems that need to be overhauled. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:42 PM Flag
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Why not? If we can disrupt the social and emotional and academic development of an entire cohort of NYC children (or at least, the ones without SAHM parents and tutors at their disposal), why can't we force 60+ to stay home in quarantine and do zoom? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:45 PM Flag
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Well for one thing, it’s ageist. But many of the most vulnerable elderly have to interact with people to take care of them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:50 PM Flag
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ITA on both counts. Plus, "pre-existing conditions" is so broad. Obesity, for example, triples your likelihood of severe COVID complications. Over 40% of US adults are obese. Are we going to have kids stay home because their parents are obese and at higher risk? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:45 PM Flag
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I agree. And I'm not a COVID-denier, we have been extremely strict about quarantine/social distancing, and I have no desire to jump right back into "normal" life. But something has to give with the children. I have the privilege of WFH, have an education and enough supplies and technology that I won't let my kids fall behind (even though WFH + homeschooling has been an absolute NIGHTMARE). But I'm heartbroken that there are hundreds of thousands of kids who haven't been learning since early March, especially those for whom school was a refuge/safe space. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:48 PM Flag
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OP: I've also been very very careful. But at this point, the infection rate in NYC is very low and risks to children are not that bad, less than the flu. How the DOE can consider throwing an entire generation of children under the bus for this is beyond me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:06 PM Flag
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they will all be fine. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 02:06 AM Flag
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+1. I think it is the wrong move. The flu kills kids. This virus does not. For everyone healthy and under 50, life should go back to normal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:49 PM Flag
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amen [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:09 PM Flag
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+1 could not agree more [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:27 PM Flag
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what about all the adults that work at schools ffs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 02:07 AM Flag
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If under 50, you go back. For the elderly teachers and admin, you can take a sabbatical, retire, get a different job... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 03:41 AM Flag
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Jesus. What a piece of work you are. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 07:25 PM Flag
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what about all the adults that work at schools ffs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 02:07 AM Flag
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Agreed. I'm desperate for the peer interaction my son has been missing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:58 PM Flag
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+1. Academically, my daughter can probably advance much faster at home (she is still young). But she needs to be with other kids, learn to socialize, have experiences, play. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:59 PM Flag
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You realize that private school is composed of more than rich people, right? And it also likely won't be in session full-time next year. Not everyone who goes to private school has a non-working parent, or access/finances to support a nanny and/or tutor. I know many in public school who have more money than we do, with more access to those things. You can complain about "the rich" versus "everyone else" but don't throw random assertions in there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:01 PM Flag
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I'm sorry if you're being so picky. But private school=richer parent body is not what I would call a "random assertion". Of course not every public parent is poor and not even private parent is rich, but that is not what I said. Private schools have much more real estate per student, so they will figure out how to do this much easier and richer parents (public or private) will hire tutors, or have SAHMs, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:04 PM Flag
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According to the DOE, 73% of NYC public student body are economically disadvantaged. Even the most hard-up FA case in your average private is probably better off than most of that 73%. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:21 PM Flag
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smart. I'm a private school mom with FA and I have friends with AT LEAST 10x as much income who send their kids to public. They also own (don't rent), and take loads of terrific vacations throughout the year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:11 PM Flag
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I posted directly above this. I don't think anyone is splitting hairs over the levels of privilege among NYC's MC and UMC families. The bottom line is that public school system is comprised of majority economically disadvantaged kids who are going to suffer greatly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:34 PM Flag
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I think if this continues for more than a semester, it will be the end of public school as a "social good" as we know it. New small private schools will open up immediately to fill the void and only the most disadvantaged students will stay in public. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:19 PM Flag
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This, very unfortunately. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:21 PM Flag
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Is it official yet? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:20 PM Flag
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not official yet. There are leaked ideas (or blended learning models) from principals' call with chancellor [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:23 PM Flag
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I don't agree about forcing older adults to quarantine, but I do agree that it is truly the children who will truly suffer. But more than education, it's the kids who are stuck in abusive households who have had no reprieve from whatever abuse they face, and who will continue to suffer through the summer and into the school year. If they are only going in on some kind of alternating schedule, it makes it that much more difficult for educators to see the signs and report. I'm just so incredibly sad for these kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:24 PM Flag
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+1. I wonder how many children have been killed by abusive parents during quarantine and no one even knows because a teacher didn’t notice the kid wasn’t at school anymore [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:45 PM Flag
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As opposed to forcing all of us to quarantine for the benefit of the elderly? I'd take forcing older adults vs forcing everyone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 03:42 AM Flag
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I think y'all are off base. I think we'll be lucky to have ANY in person school this fall. I just don't see how it's doable. Do I want it? Hell yes, but I'm not holding my breath. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:35 PM Flag
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Our private is planning full time instruction. I feel bad for public school parents, especially ones that can't do the WFH easily. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:44 PM Flag
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OR: yes, private may be different, I should have clarified. They will all be shutting down eventually when cases kick back up, but privates will be able to start up easier for sure. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:55 PM Flag
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All schools are planning for both scenarios. It would be irresponsible not to do so. But, the likelihood is remote or at least partially remote for ALL schools in nyc [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:56 PM Flag
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They are looking at a variety of in-school, remote and blended circumstances in both our public and our private. They would be foolish not to plan for all and to have remote running alongside in-school the entire time so children and teachers can cycle in and out if they need to for family or personal illness. But no formal announcement yet, is there? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:00 PM Flag
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Blended was confirmed today for NYCDOE [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:18 PM Flag
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Which model??? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 12:06 AM Flag
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Scheduling TBD, but definitely will be a hybrid of in person and remote learning. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 12:21 AM Flag
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So what do you propose? Partially remote / blended makes a lot of sense under the circumstances. Kids will still spend some time at school and will still socialize. Completely remote is not good, I agree with this, but putting back over a million kids in crowded public transportation and schools is a recipe for a major second wave if the virus is still around (and it will probably be given how the country has handled this). A half way measure with social distancing will hopefully help mitigate and control the outbreaks. It is not just kids getting sick (and some have preexisting conditions), it is also the teachers, staff and family members [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:42 PM Flag
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we can't stay locked up forever. This is madness. There is no vaccine for the cold or other coronas, and there may NEVER be a vaccine for COVID. PEople die. It's sad. The whole world can't stay indoors because of it on end. NOBODY IS THINKING. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 01:03 AM Flag
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The fact that you are comparing this to a cold tells me there is no point in trying to reason w you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 01:33 AM Flag
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Sounds like you are the one not thinking. By definition, partial remote does not mean that you are staying indoors or locked up all the time or forver. You are out at school part of the time. Odds are there will be a vaccine and/or better therapies in 1 to 2 years. The idea that you just let the virus kill many and potentially overrun healthcare systems (not even considering the impact on healthcare workers) with the attitude of whatever is bizarre. Even quarantines were put in place in the middle ages to stem epidemics. Mitigating nasty epidemics has been around for centuries because the cost, both human and economic, is just too high if you let them run amok. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 01:33 AM Flag
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A few things. With an epidemic disease, it doesn't matter if the kids don't suffer from it as much as long as they are still spreading it. COVID-19 is unpredictable, there's a lot we don't know about post-COVID consequences, and it can kill young, healthy adults without obvious risk factors. So we don't really know that just quarantining older adults will do the trick. What needs to happen on the governmental level is a massive influx of either income support so parents can go to half-time or time off or childcare support, like an Americorps of child care workers who can facilitate distance learning and childmind for one or two households. Makes test and trace much easier, mitigates risk, provides employment... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:57 PM Flag
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+1 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 01:34 AM Flag
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i agree. unfortunately it will just increase the divide between those who can afford an alternate solution and those who cant. people with money will have nanny and private school (likely in session). those without--i dont even know what theyre going to do. if you area hairdresser or a clerk at the store or a non native english speaker what are you supposed to do with your small children all day while youre working hourly to pay the rent? its crazy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 11:30 AM Flag
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I hate to tell you this, but this hybrid system is still a hope and wish by the DOE. They don't know how to implement it yet. Chances are they won't be able to do so in time and school still open FULLY REMOTE... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 07:12 PM Flag
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this. they cant even get the teacher's union to do ANY live teaching online whatsoever. getting teachers to feel safe in the classroom will be the biggest hurdle. and forget the transportation issues. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:03 PM Flag
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It's a pandemic, Susan. It's unfair to everyone. Nobody asked for this and we all have to do the best we can. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:04 PM Flag
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