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06.10.20, 13:28 PM General Topics
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I feel like 'school is not childcare' is the ultimate uber privileged urbanbaby gaslighting. Like - yes it is. It is school, but it is also childcare. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.10.20, 01:28 PM Flag
 

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ITA! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:33 PM Flag
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+1 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 03:53 PM Flag
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Exactly. The guarantee of public education is a universal truth for us as Americans, and for our generation and our parents' generation (and even our grandparents' generation in most cases), we have never known a time when kids age 5-18 didn't have a place to go for 6-ish hours a day. Many of us planned our families and budgets around this universal truth. Sure, we have both paid and subsidized aftercare (and sometimes before-care) to fill in the gaps for working parents, but even those programs are structured around the universal truth that kids are cared for by the state for the bulk of the day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:36 PM Flag
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Very well said. Most families now require both parents to work. School and camp are essential to that balance. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:42 PM Flag
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+100000 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:45 PM Flag
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Of course, but I equate school to education, not a place just to house kids for the day. But there’s a public health crisis that prevents gathering - how can you ignore that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 03:31 PM Flag
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As someone who is privileged to be able to work from home and supervise my kids who are remote learning, who has been strictly quarantining and yes, wiping down my freaking groceries, trust me - I'm absolutely NOT ignoring that. But how can you ignore that we have a massive crisis for the majority of families who don't have the same privilege? Including your nannies' and housekeepers' families. Families of "non essential" hourly workers who are barely getting by as it is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 04:02 PM Flag
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So they can open childcare centers with food for those kids. Other kids stay home to relieve crowding. But if you open school when the virus is still hot, you’re basically forcing everyone to be exposed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 06:14 PM Flag
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"Childcare centers with food" sounds well and good, and might have been a stop-gap for essential/healthcare workers in the lockdown, but as we're into phases 2, 3 and 4 you're talking literally hundreds of thousands of children (disproportionately more in poorer neighborhoods). These centers aren't necessarily equipped for all of those kids to do remote learning at their different/respective schools (especially younger kids who we all know need more hands-on help with remote learning), so they basically don't get ZERO education? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 07:05 PM Flag
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*basically get zero, or don't get any - ignore the double negative [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 07:06 PM Flag
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Everyone is doing the best they can, but I still don’t see how opening schools (aka requiring attendance from all children) is a good idea IF COVID is still a big problem. Maybe there will be a period of no school for anyone? But I don’t see how forcing everyone to go to school is going to help the situation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 07:35 PM Flag
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Are you in the city or the burbs? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:33 PM Flag
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yes exactly! that is how society is set up. if people dont like it they should support higher taxes and social services so there could be free child care / after care like in scandenavia. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 03:33 PM Flag
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On the contrary, "school is childcare" is the ultimate uber privileged gaslighting. Compulsory, fully-funded public education is a recent phenomena and something only possible in a rich, privileged society. If we've turned into people incapable of taking care of our own children for a few months, then the fault is not in our stars, but in ourselves. Now, granted, the government should do more to account for the new fiscal reality. But that's it. If the money is sorted and we can't care for our own children, then what the hell are we even doing? Under that logic, we're not even mothers, the government is and we're the cool aunt who sees them when the government isn't taking care of them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:43 PM Flag
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totally disagree. the US has FAR fewer social services than most developed countries and NO developed countries do not have universal cost free school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:45 PM Flag
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Please, you KNOW this isn't the UB shamers' POV or train of thought [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:53 PM Flag
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The money is NOT sorted. This is the deal capitalism has offered - be a worker bee so you can afford to live in this country, and in order to incentivize you to create future worker bees, capitalism will pay to educate them for a significant portion of your working hours. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:56 PM Flag
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Under that logic, you should build your own road to drive your car.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:58 PM Flag
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Right. What a ridiculous argument. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:17 PM Flag
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Oh please, you are deliberately ignoring the point: and being unnecessarily nasty/jerky just to shame people for no reason. Obviously the issue is that it is very hard to take care of young children AND work full time at the same exact time. That's why we need child care, not because parents are somehow incompetent. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 02:32 PM Flag
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this is a ridiculous comment, im sorry. most families are dual income. "were not even mothers"? what does this even mean. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 03:35 PM Flag
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Trolls be trolling [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 03:41 PM Flag
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Actually, every single employer in US centers worker expectations around the assumption that there will be childcare provided by the state. So, if we cannot count on childcare provided by the state, it is only reasonable that all employers change their expectations. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 02:10 PM Flag
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THIS! Why is no one expecting employers to be flexible? Everyone’s just fixated on school opening. And FWIW, I was the OP of that comment, and meant no gaslighting. I see school as compulsory education for kids, not as a glorified daycare. THAT is what I meant. Of course people need childcare - I wouldn’t be surprised if they open daycare-type places for kids who need it. But opening schools it totally different. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 03:36 PM Flag
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It’s funny because I am on a FB page for teachers and they all get insulted when teachers are seen as babysitters or childcare. Than, they will complain when there is talk about a hybrid next year because who is going to watch their kids. Schools are childcare. It is a fact for most people. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 02:44 PM Flag
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Safety is safety. Whether school is childcare or not doesn't change that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 02:52 PM Flag
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Do you think children are safer at home? Many are not. I would think that more kids are being hurt at home than would be affected by covid. No child in my school has covid am I have dealt with several kids who wanted to kill themselves, a girl who was raped and countless starving kids that I had to bring groceries for. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 03:05 PM Flag
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This is very sad, but opening schools and requiring the whole system to attend makes no sense. There can (and maybe should) be daycare-type places open for all school-age kids then who can’t stay home during the day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 03:33 PM Flag
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So by your logic, the poor kids get covid and the wealthy kids stay home? Working class kids get covid and kids with sahms stay safe. People need to realize the complexity of this. It is not just safe and unsafe in terms of the virus. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 03:45 PM Flag
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So you’re saying schools should open so that everyone gets COVID? The kids that CAN stay home (for whatever reason - doesn’t mean it’s because their parents are working!) do so to relieve the crowding. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 05:51 PM Flag
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