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07.01.20, 22:15 PM General Topics
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We left our rental apartment in March and won’t be returning before the lease is up in September. It’s owned by a private family and we asked the landlord to put it on the market for rent again ASAP. He stalled for two months and finally the listing was posted in June. The broker keeps calling to ask us for concessions, first to pay his fee which we said no way to, now that we offer to pay the rent for a new tenant to move in. Aside from the fact that we’ve continued to pay the rent on an apartment we’re not using, where all the services we were paying for have been suspended, I think it’s absolutely obnoxious that the broker is bothering us with this stuff now. It’s making me so angry, WWYD? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 07.01.20, 10:15 PM Flag
 

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What am I missing? You're on the hook for rent until September, so you're asking him to do work he shouldn't have to do just to get you out of it? And you're mad that he wants concessions, even though it will be saving you money overall? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:28 PM Flag
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We’re not allowed to sublet it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:29 PM Flag
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np. Why didn't you list it right away? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:33 PM Flag
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OP we don’t own it and we’re not allowed to sublet. The owner had to retain a broker. It’s only a one year lease so it’s the same broker, photos etc from last summer. The landlord chose not to list it sooner [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:36 PM Flag
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But you have a lease that says you pay for until September, I assume. Not until September unless you want to stop sooner. He's doing you a favor, not the other way around. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:34 PM Flag
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We’re leaving either way. So he can cut the rent substantially and get a new tenant or sit on a vacant apartment for months on end. There’s a lot of apartments in the building for rent, same or bigger at a lower rent, some offering no fee, two months free rent etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:37 PM Flag
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He doesn't have to worry about it until Sept 1. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:39 PM Flag
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Sure he can let it stay vacant indefinitely and eat the cost. Real smart... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:40 PM Flag
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That's not your concern. You're shitty that he isn't falling over himself to get you out of your lease early. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:42 PM Flag
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LOL. Like this is what you care about. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:43 PM Flag
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He'll eat it anyway Oct 1, but until then he is collecting the high rent you legally owe him. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:50 PM Flag
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This. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:12 PM Flag
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This. And if there's lots of apartments in the building for rent, ie. a high vacancy rate, he knows he's not going to fill the apartment quickly, so may as well get OP's rent for the lease term she committed to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:42 PM Flag
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It would be smarter for the landlord to take a cut now and have the apartment rented for longer especially given the market is going to be over supplied for the next few years [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:56 PM Flag
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If taking a cut now will get the apartment rented, taking a cut in September will likely do the same. Why take the cut earlier than he has to? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:00 PM Flag
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Yes, I hear that you want concessions but they are trying to help you- if you pay a fee now, you get out of paying August and Sept. rent. You need to do the math and see if it makes sense to pay his fee and save 2 months' rent. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 01:22 AM Flag
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This doesn't make sense. He's getting full rent. He can always cut the rent later. It would be a nice favor to TRY to rent it for the same rent now, but if he can't get that amount, he has no reason to lose money. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:12 AM Flag
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But the OP wants him to! Can't you people see that? *stomps foot* [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:13 AM Flag
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He doesn't care if it's vacant because you are liable for the rent until September. Then he will care. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 01:21 AM Flag
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Why would he cut the rent when he has the right to collect full rent from you until September? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 11:24 AM Flag
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I think you want to get out of your lease early, right? If you don't mind paying until September, then I would just ignore the broker. If you are the one who wants to get out early, then you may have to make some concessions to get out of the lease. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:28 PM Flag
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Nobody is renting apartments in NYC either way. If the owner is serious about finding a tenant they need to cut the rent substantially, like 30+%. Our paying shouldn’t be expected or required. We’re giving the landlord access to the apartment and months of lead time to find a new tenant. We’re leaving either way [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:31 PM Flag
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NP: Your paying through September is legally expected and required per the terms of your lease. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:33 PM Flag
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Not really as our income has fallen dramatically, we can’t be evicted if we stop paying rent now or in September [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:35 PM Flag
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Wow, you are a piece of work. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:37 PM Flag
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Why did you get a second place if you can't afford rent on the first one? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:37 PM Flag
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This! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:37 PM Flag
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This! Your income can't have fallen that dramatically if you're paying rent elsewhere. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:38 PM Flag
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We’re not paying rent elsewhere. Bad assumption. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:41 PM Flag
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You moved. You're adults. It's a fair assumption that you're paying housing costs elsewhere. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:44 PM Flag
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NP: OP probably moved in with their parents and not paying rent anymore [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:56 PM Flag
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But only as a favor to her parents. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:13 AM Flag
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Of course. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:19 AM Flag
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LOL. So this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:39 AM Flag
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You can't be evicted, but you can certainly be held to the rent. Rent is not being forgiven. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:46 PM Flag
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It doesn’t matter if we’ve no income and the apartment is newly rented. Their claim won’t be worth pursuing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:55 PM Flag
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That's a decision for them. I wouldn't be so cocky about it if I were you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:59 PM Flag
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It won't be newly rented unless you make concessions. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 08:04 PM Flag
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BUT YOU WILL STILL OWE THE MONEY. Landlord can sue if he wants. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 08:03 PM Flag
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"Our paying shouldn’t be expected or required." Wait, what? You said lease is up in September, so of course you need to pay until then. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:36 PM Flag
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I was referring to the broker fee or concessions they’re asking us to absorb. Neither of which would be enough tk make this listing competitive with the others in the building. But also this is not our problem. It’s the landlord and broker who need to figure it out and stop badgering us [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:42 PM Flag
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I agree that you aren't on the hook for the broker fee. As long as you keep paying rent until September, that's all they can ask of you. But if they ask you to pay the fee or concessions after the fact as a condition of letting you out of some of the money you owe until September, that would be lawful of them to do as they are only mitigating at this point, trying to help you not be on the hook for the entire rent until then. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:45 PM Flag
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yep. all of this [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:50 PM Flag
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You're what's wrong about this country [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:55 AM Flag
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But he can get full price until September, which you legally owe him. That seems to be what he has chosen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 01:24 AM Flag
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What stuff is he bothering you with? You waited for your landlord to contract a broker, instead of finding one you like yourself. And the reality is no one wants to rent without some concessions. Pending the new law, many listings are no-fee so it makes sense he wants you to pay it. Sorry you are in this position, but I don't see how it is the broker's fault. If anything, he is doing his job communicating to you what the market is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:29 PM Flag
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The broker is working for the landlord not for us. We’re not allowed to sublet to the owner had to retain the broker. We’ve given them full access to the apartment to do this and we’ve continued to pay the rent even though all of the services have been suspended [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:32 PM Flag
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I think the broker should be honest with the owner, who lives overseas, that they need to cut the rent substantially. We pay as well keep the access and use of the apartment versus discounting to try to help them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:34 PM Flag
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What "services" do you mean? The primary purpose of rent is to allow you to live in the apartment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:34 PM Flag
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Gym, full time doorman, kids playroom all removed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:38 PM Flag
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Ok, but you still have access to the apartment and the right to live in it (you're just choosing not to). Maybe you could ask for a rent reduction on basis of services, but it doesn't mean that you continuing to pay rent is some sort of magnanimous gesture. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:40 PM Flag
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We asked and the owner declined. We’re still paying the rent but we’re not interested in being badgered by the broker with stupid ideas that ultimately don’t move the needle. The condo owner is offering no fee and 2-3 months free rent. That’s what the owner is competing with [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:44 PM Flag
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He isn't competing with anyone for your rent. You signed a lease, you're on the hook until September; makes sense while things are so volatile that he would let it ride. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:45 PM Flag
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So stupid to state the obvious but miss the whole point [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:48 PM Flag
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Or maybe your point isn't as compelling as you think it is... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:49 PM Flag
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Could you not list it as a lease takeover with your own broker? Have you looked at your lease contract? We are also on the hook for rent, but we could find someone to take over if we wanted to. I asked before we even signed anything. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:35 PM Flag
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Thanks. Yes we had an attorney review the lease and no we couldn’t retain a broker directly. The building has to pre approve the brokers and they have to be retained by the owner. Minimum 12 month lease so no sublet [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:40 PM Flag
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Oh well. In future, review the lease before you sign! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:41 PM Flag
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So helpful.. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:44 PM Flag
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Well, it is helpful advice for the next time you sign a legal document, so that you don't have to come to a public forum bitching that you are being held to the terms of the legal document you signed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:45 PM Flag
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You’re so bright you missed the whole point. Maybe go back to elementary school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:52 PM Flag
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No, that's not it. Your point is just very self-serving and you're upset that nobody agrees with you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:53 PM Flag
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Agree, this OP's logic is completely self-serving with a very smug tone. She refuses to acknowledge the agreement she signed thru September and wants to blame others for the fact that she wants to back out of that agreement. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 04:02 AM Flag
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It's a tough situation, but you signed a lease and they are not required to let you out of it early. They probably know they will have to lower it eventually, but why not take the money you are supposed to pay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:37 PM Flag
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Because September is in 60 days and they’re going to be eating the cost for even longer then [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:49 PM Flag
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No one knows what September will bring. Schools may reopen. There may be a vaccine. Or not. If I were him I would not be doing anything now when many people are letting leases lapse and go away for the summer waiting to see the school situation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:56 PM Flag
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There will be no vaccine before late 2021 and even if schools reopen which is highly unlikely they’ll close again quickly so anyone who can afford it will stay outside the city [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:59 PM Flag
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But in that case him lowering the rent now wouldn't change anything anyway. You are not making sense. If lowering the rent now would get a tenant, it is illogical to insist that lowering the rent in September wouldn't get a tenant. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:02 PM Flag
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There’s only one way to find out and that’s by offering the apartment at a market rent [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:14 PM Flag
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But he doesn't want to find out if he could rent the apartment at lower rent now, because he has a tenant in place paying full rent. Why is this so hard for you to understand? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:16 PM Flag
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Yup, bird in the hand. No one can blame the landlord for that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:01 AM Flag
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np. The market is in turmoil now. By September there will be some more visible direction. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:01 AM Flag
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He didn't stall for two months. The market was totally frozen. People lost their jobs. Stop being obnoxious when youre just mad about paying rent on an empty apartment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:35 PM Flag
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It’s the same listing a year ago and many other apartments were listed over the two months he was stalling [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:38 PM Flag
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They might have been listed but nobody was renting them. There was a lockdown. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:39 PM Flag
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A lease is a contract. If you want to bring a suit seeking a declaration that the lease is void because you are not able to use the services, you can do that, but otherwise you are stuck, nothing about the pandemic has voided rental leases. Your desire not to pay is irrelevant to your legal obligations. And the suspension of eviction proceedings just means the LL can't throw you out, it doesn't have any effect at all on your liability for rent payments. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:38 PM Flag
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We haven’t stopped paying and I wasn’t complaining about paying the rent. I’m irritated that the broker is an idiot who keeps calling me when I’m not interested or going to be part of the solution. There are bigger apartments for no fee and less rent in the same building [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:45 PM Flag
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So stop taking his calls and tell him you're happy to pay full rent until September. I don't understand why you're making such a simple situation so complex. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:47 PM Flag
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This! Your landlord is happy to take your money and not have to lower now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:48 PM Flag
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And then sit on an empty apartment for months on end [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:54 PM Flag
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Do you honestly not see how illogical this is? If the apartment would be empty for "months on end" from September if he reduces the rent then, why are you so rattled that he won't lower the rent now? It's not going to make a difference. in that case. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:57 PM Flag
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Because he can give himself more time. He refused to list it for the first two months, now it’s listed at a massive premium to everything else and yet the only solution the broker can come up with is for us to pay the concessions. Even if we contributed the next two months rent it wouldn’t make a difference. I told the broker to call his client and figure it out, and to stop wasting my time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:01 PM Flag
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And that's fine, as long as you're happy paying full rent until September. But you seem to be angry that the landlord is not acting in a way that serves your interests. Why would he do that? He's listed it at a premium because he has no imperative to reduce rent right now: he's got a tenant paying rent until September. If he needs to lower it then, he will. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:04 PM Flag
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If he lowers it in September then he’s one of many in the building at the same rent. He’s going to be sitting on a vacant apartment [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:10 PM Flag
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If he lowers it now, he's one of many in the building at the same rent, according to you. What's the difference? Might as well get the full rent he's legally entitled to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:11 PM Flag
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He’s getting that either way but should be motivated to get a long term tenant ASAP [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:14 PM Flag
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No, he'd rather keep a tenant at full rent until 1 September and then a long-term tenant at lower rent after that. He doesn't have to be motivated by replacing you early, just because you think he should. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:17 PM Flag
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So what? That’s his choice. Why do you care and why are you so angry about it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:04 AM Flag
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He will lower it then. It will be clear how much the market requires. Now everything is up in the air with many renters not actively looking. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:58 PM Flag
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And when schools don’t reopen it will be worse in September. Lucky OP has a lease she’s out of then [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:09 PM Flag
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Lol. You are OP. Stop talking about yourself in third person. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:11 PM Flag
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this part is not your concern, is it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:58 PM Flag
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He is probably under the assumption that you are interested in getting out of your lease before September and willing to spend some money now to save it in the long run. Just assure him that you aren't so he can go back to doing nothing for you and leave you alone. But the idea that the brokers or the owners should take a loss now to save you money is ridiculous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:48 PM Flag
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Even if they have to do it eventually, it is to their benefit to put that off and get full rent from you while they can. Especially if the building is already flooded at the moment as you say. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:49 PM Flag
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This! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:52 PM Flag
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The over supply is going to get better not worse. Also the broker doesn’t work for us, and yes we’ve asked him to stop badgering us but he keeps calling [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:53 PM Flag
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can you just block the broker's number? Easy to do [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:59 PM Flag
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This! Maybe the landlord will have to reduce rent in September to fill the place, but why should he do it now? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:49 PM Flag
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Because the landlord would lock in a longer term tenant and not be sitting on a vacant apartment for months on end [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:52 PM Flag
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If lowering rent now would "lock in a longer-term tenant", why do you assume that lowering rent in September won't do the same? And in the mean time, he's got two more months of the full rent you're obligated to pay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:55 PM Flag
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Because it’s highly unlikely that he’ll find a tenant that wants to move before September 1, either way the rent is going to fall dramatically or the apartment is going to sit vacant [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:03 PM Flag
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You are just speculating. And ultimately, what happens to the apartment after September 1 is not your concern. You are mad that he isn't trying to get a tenant in place for July/August at a lower rent to save you money at his own expense. But he has no reason to do that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:09 PM Flag
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What makes you think he'd be able to get a longer term tenant faster now rather than in September? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:55 PM Flag
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This! It doesn't make sense! If anything market will be better in September as more things reopen and families return to city. (Touch wood). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:58 PM Flag
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At the very least market will be more stable/certain. Makes sense to wait. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:01 PM Flag
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The schools won’t be reopening and the landlord will have to step the rent down or sit on a vacant apartment [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:08 PM Flag
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Maybe, maybe not, but it's reasonable to wait and see rather than take a loss now to benefit someone who sounds like a PITA tenant based on your interactions here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:10 PM Flag
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THIS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 06:02 AM Flag
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exactly this [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:00 AM Flag
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Only one way to find out dummy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:02 PM Flag
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Well no, you'll never find out because you can't do both... If he lowers rent now and it is leased to a new tenant, then he'll never know how fast it would have rented in September, and he will have lost out on the two months full rent from July-August from you. You really just seem mad that he isn't scared and making panicked decisions that benefit you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:05 PM Flag
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That’s the landlords problem to figure out [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:08 PM Flag
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Exactly! It is all the landlord's problem to figure out, so why are you so furious that he is handling it in a way that is not in your interest? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:10 PM Flag
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My post was to express my irritation with the dumb realtor who keeps calling us with stupid ideas [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:15 PM Flag
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Block the realtor's number. That part is easy. But your many replies make it clear you are also very angry that the landlord isn't falling over himself to make your life easier. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:14 AM Flag
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Not until your lease ends [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:14 PM Flag
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Ha. This. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:14 PM Flag
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I'm done. You're either a troll or you're just too stupid or entitled to reason with. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 10:57 PM Flag
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These options are not mutually exclusive, of course. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:00 PM Flag
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Possibly all of the above. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:00 PM Flag
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This OP makes my head hurt. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:17 PM Flag
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I think OP is the latter... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:00 AM Flag
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I can’t possibly read all these comments, but I think I remember from law school that there is a duty on the part of the landlord to mitigate damages? So sitting on the apt for two months is a problem. Still you would owe him your lease rent minus the now market rent - his transaction costs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:22 PM Flag
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Not quite, OP would need to prove that the landlord could have mitigated his losses if he listed earlier and at market. Given the circumstances (pandemic/lockdown) and the fact that there are multiple vacant apartments in the building, this would be tough. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:33 PM Flag
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I think they were not supposed to show them for some time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:08 AM Flag
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If your lease is till sept you pay till sept. He may decide to start showing in August. This spring everything was locked down and why she he show before August anyway ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:40 PM Flag
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Why do I feel like OP is going to spend the months after September feverishly refreshing the listing on the apartment, watching to see the landlord get his comeuppance? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.20, 11:55 PM Flag
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“That’s what he gets for making me abide by the legally binding contact I willingly entered into!” [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:07 AM Flag
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LOL. So this! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:41 AM Flag
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He didn’t “sit on it”- it was illegal to have a broker in to take pictures or do showings until Phase 2. Even if, by your assertion, they could have used the same pictures, they couldn’t do showings and move someone in. Your lease goes until September, so the landlord is trying to help you out- if you had paid for July, which you were going to have to do anyway, he can offer than concession to the new tenant and get you off the hook August. I get that it’s annoying that the broker keeps talking to you, but you have no right to be mad that you couldn’t break your lease early. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:00 AM Flag
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I haven’t broken the lease and my frustration is with the broker [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.20, 12:08 AM Flag
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But the solution to the broker problem is very simple. Tell him you are not interested in making concessions now, and are not available for further discussions, then stop taking his calls. You are all over this post frothing at the mouth with frustration that the landlord is not behaving in the way you feel he should be--being motivated to get a lower-rent tenant in place ASAP--even though that benefits you more than him. [ Reply | More
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Brokers were not allowed to show in person until last week [ Reply | More
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