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06.11.20, 20:16 PM General Topics
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Any thoughts on the newest "Racist Karen" incidents between the old woman ranting against the Asian woman working out in the park, or the convenience store Karen who was slapped in self defense at a convenience store? Posting so that those who continue to think of these as isolated incidents can see how extremely common these situations really are. It makes me so sad to think of how many more of these situations happen that aren't caught on video. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.11.20, 08:16 PM Flag
 

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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:16 PM Flag
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The passer-by's rant was racist, but the one exercising was the more entitled one--she is presumably blocking public stairs. Why should an older person be forced to walk around to another set of stairs? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:52 PM Flag
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But that doesn’t excuse the encounter turning racist! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:31 PM Flag
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I didn't say it did. But it doesn't make her a "Karen." She's just an older, racist woman. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:48 PM Flag
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Are you serious? She was moving back and forth on the steps, not BLOCKING them. The full video also shows the woman go up the stairs with no problem, and then when she came down the stairs is when they were close to each other. That lady took one second before cursing and threatening to have her family beat up the Asian woman and for her to get racial. That's outrageous, but of course there's always someone to say "but but....." when things get racial for no reason. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:43 PM Flag
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Yes. She's moving across the width of the stairs--someone trying to get by has to maneuver around her. I would have found it annoying, but would have rolled my eyes and moved on with my day. I woulnd't have yelled at her. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:50 PM Flag
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And I never said it was an excuse for being racist. But the one exercising was entitled enough to say "Jesus" when this other woman was trying to get by in a public space that she was blocking. It was only then that the older woman started cursing her out. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:53 PM Flag
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Listen, as a poster below noted, a simple excuse me would have sufficed. I'm constantly annoyed by people who take up the entire sidewalk to have conversations, instead of moving to the side and out of the way. You know how I handle it? I say excuse me and they move OR I walk around. I would NEVER EVER EVER think to curse out, threaten, and yell out racist epithets because someone was in my way. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:02 PM Flag
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The woman walked by and didn't say anything. Apparently she came too close to this entitled exerciser and the exerciser yelled "Jesus" loud enough for the other woman to hear. Come on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:03 PM Flag
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So that warrants a racist rant and threats? Got it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 12:14 AM Flag
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I think the elderly woman came back for no reason, just to start a fight with the girl exercising. she is obviously a racist in addition to sounding like a disturbed person. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 04:46 AM Flag
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A simple "excuse me" would solve that problem. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:53 PM Flag
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Exactly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:59 PM Flag
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Can I just say... that was a good workout? Honestly impressed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:00 PM Flag
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Exercising without a mask right at the bottom of the stairs would piss me off too. And moving from side to side on top of that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:24 PM Flag
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Is someone staging these things? I just watched the same white haired woman, in the same clothing, getting into it with someone else? Or maybe she spends her day looking for people to offend her. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 11:26 AM Flag
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It is the same Karen. I saw there were two videos of the same woman in the same tshirt: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/h78g1a/your_favorite_karen_makes_another_appearance/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/h0pabt/why_is_it_so_hard_for_karen_to_mind_her_own/ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 03:39 PM Flag
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I think it's staged [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 07:41 PM Flag
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The way it's filmed, the way the old lady dresses, + sunglasses + hat =hard to identify, the quality of the recording.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 07:42 PM Flag
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They actually just showed the second video on TMZ just now. The 2nd incident was apparently filmed not long after the first one, but this time the man involved actually filed a police report, so doubt it's staged. Who knows how many of these rants she went on that day, or ever, that just weren't filmed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 08:45 PM Flag
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can we stop calling them all karens it's really lame [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:17 PM Flag
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I'd adjust to it if I were you, it's shorthand now. It's not going away. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:29 PM Flag
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Eh it'll flame out like everything else. Everyone seems to think they're so cool and funny when they say it and it's just ... played out. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:31 PM Flag
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No they don't. It's just an accepted slang term. No one is trying to sound cool. This seems more about you than about the term. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:44 PM Flag
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good bc they sound really just ... like a complete tool [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:38 PM Flag
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How is lame better? Lame is similar to retarded. Insulting people by calling them disabled. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 08:41 PM Flag
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Sure. How about "privilileged and entitled white women who complain about things they should not, who may or may not also be racist." Better? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:42 PM Flag
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PAEWWWCATTSNWMOMNABEs! Catchy! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:10 PM Flag
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Yes! It just rolls off the tongue! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:25 PM Flag
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Hey how about we just switch it from Karen to your name? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:46 PM Flag
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Well I have an ethnic sounding name, so that wouldn't work, sorry! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:57 PM Flag
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We'll make it work. Will append "bitch" to it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:33 PM Flag
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Wow, you sound triggered. I didn't make up the name, it's in the actual article, but thanks for calling me a bitch. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 12:16 AM Flag
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And it’s really crappy. My name is not Karen but it is one easily identifiable as a middle-aged woman’s name. I would be upset if racist or pain in the ass behavior were referred to by my name. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:44 PM Flag
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Fair enough, but I think you're missing the bigger picture here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:58 PM Flag
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I think you need to listen and quit defending the use of Karen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 07:22 PM Flag
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And I think you need to focus on the behavior of the racist women behind these incidents, instead of whatever "upset" is felt by people with the actual name. Seriously. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 08:42 PM Flag
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Should we call them pieces of shit? For the record my best friend is named Karen and thinks it is kind of funny. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:59 PM Flag
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be careful, I made a post suggesting smthg similar and it was deleted. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 04:45 AM Flag
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+1. It's a lazy, reductive way to speak. If you really want to say something worthwhile, skip the Karen thing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 08:20 PM Flag
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2020/06/09/viral-racist-video-robert-harrian-apologizes-wife-rant-phoenix-convenience-store/5331110002/ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:17 PM Flag
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Yeah. These things happen. They happen in NYC, they happen in the boonies. I’m Asian American and this is something I always have to think about if I go anywhere [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:19 PM Flag
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Me too, and it sucks t have to live like this. I'm just happy that these things are coming to light. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:57 PM Flag
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I hate the cute nicknames bestowed on awful people. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:03 PM Flag
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But there has to be some way to identify these people, bc you obviously can't just say white women, or old white women, young white women, rich white women, etc. bc these character's seem to come from different backgrounds, regions, socio-economic groups, some racist, some not, but the only thing they have in common is that they are white women, so I get the urge to label with something. Not sure how Karen became the name though, and the funny thing is that the only Karen I actually know is black and she hates it too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:10 PM Flag
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These aren't deadly situations, have you really never been yelled at by a random stranger or had someone say something stereotypical and rude to you based on your appearance or dress or your kids, etc? How did we become so fragile that we cannot move past a fact that there are some mentally unwell people out there who may say stupid things which we shouldn't necessarily take seriously unless there are direct threats or physical confrontation. Majority of people who do this or so called "Karens" are just mentally unstable individuals [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:31 PM Flag
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So because they aren't "deadly" people of color have to just take it and deal with it. The woman in the convenience store did nothing except try to pay for her purchase before being told to go back to where she came from and pushed, and whether you think the Asian woman was rude for exercising in someone's way, she was still threatened and also told to go back to where she came from. There are different levels to racism, and you clearly are only willing to accept as true or valid, the situations where the police are called and lives are threatened. If you were in a wheelchair or a little person or gay, and spent your life being "yelled at by random strangers" that included insults aimed at one of those things I guarantee it would be a big deal deal. How small minded to think that it's not a big deal to constantly have people choosing to insult you over things you have no control over like race, and then call it fragility. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:50 PM Flag
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ITA. well said. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 04:49 AM Flag
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Look, there are always going to be mentally unstable people. You can choose to fight with them or walk away. The point is you can’t change them, and you can’t arrest them for words, only for direct physical violence towards you. What will you do? Keep getting worked up over it? You only are hurting yourself as these crazies don’t care. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 03:26 PM Flag
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The point is going way over your head. So if I as a black woman have 10 people yell racist epithets at me over the course of a month, you expect me to just chalk it up to a "mentally unstable" person each time and just let it go bc they didn't physically attack me? That was the past, where we just took it and internalized it and tried our best to not feel defeated and angry. That shit simply does not fly anymore and I sincerely do hope that people on the receiving end of these attacks (and witnesses) continue to video these encounters so those people are forced to deal with the consequences of their behavior, whether through being publication shamed, losing their job, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 05:29 PM Flag
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"IF it's a black woman" which you are not, so you make stupid statements like this as if you know exactly how many times and how things happen. Look, if you live in a neighborhood where many people are saying slurs that upset you and you feel targeted, then you move, right? How needs hostility? What many of these incidences describe are one off encounters with obviously mentally unwell people. In my area usually they are elderly with their set-mind frames that cannot be changed or perhaps even dementia or other issues. It's ok to feel angry, but there is nothing you can do about it and you cannot retaliate against them. And you also cannot reform them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:03 PM Flag
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^^ and they don't care about social media either. Social media is great for shaming other moms like yourself who are aware and care about what others think of them. Doesn't work on mentally unstable and on real racists whose minds won't bend. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:04 PM Flag
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Your comment confuses me. You are saying that I am not a black woman, when I just said I was? And then you said I should just move in order to avoid racially motivated comments? Then you said these things are all "one offs" when they are clearly happening every day and every week there is a new viral video of a new racist losing it, so these are all "one off" encounters? You're an idiot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.20, 12:32 AM Flag
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It's been implemented at workplace a while ago, you can never say anything like this and not face consequences at work place. However, you cannot police what people say in their neighborhoods or in public places. YOu cannot arrest someone for screaming things even if they are wrong. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:05 PM Flag
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When did I say they should be arrested? They can say whatever they want, but I said they should face consequences for this outrageous behavior, which they are, including losing their jobs and public shaming. Why is this hard to understand? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.20, 12:33 AM Flag
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she doesn't seem mentally stable. however, she obviously sounds racist. since racism is a mental disease not so surprised. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 04:48 AM Flag
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Exactly! You can’t make these people change and it’s not criminal to say words on the street that may affect others. If you hear direct threats and they are founded then different story. But you have no recourse against crazy but non violent people spewing racist or other offensive remarks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 03:29 PM Flag
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really. we should all just ignore this and hope it goes away? are you also cool with sexist street harassment? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 08:24 PM Flag
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What can you do about it? You can raise awareness in people who are willing to listen only, and you can change the tides by raising the new generation to be more respectful. But you cannot change people whose minds are set and because it's not a crime and they know it. People know now that they cannot say non-PC remarks at work that would offend anyone's race/gender/sexual orientation/age, etc. They learned by getting fired. You can lynch people with videos, but many of them wouldn't care or even know they were even on camera. There is no law that prohibits people saying things they want in public setting or outside of their home. You cannot arrest people for insulting you verbally, only if they attack you physically. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:21 PM Flag
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And many of these people don't have jobs if you are threatening to post videos that would force them to be fired. They basically have nothing to lose. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:23 PM Flag
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That's not true. Do a quick google search of people who have been fired for racist attacks or racist behavior and you will see a long list. They don't care at the time bc they clearly think their privilege entitles them to say whatever they want without a thought to social conventions and the heightened sensitivity and wokeness in the air, UNTIL they go viral and they lose their jobs. THEN they feel it and that's what they get. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.20, 12:37 AM Flag
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You are right, we should install surveillance cameras everywhere. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:36 PM Flag
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Not exactly the point, but that's already happening. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:54 PM Flag
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And what will these do? You can’t arrest them if not violent. And I highly doubt these mentally unstable people give a shit about social media or even check it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 03:30 PM Flag
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Well for one, the cameras are catching violence, as evidence by George Floyd's murder being caught by several different types of cameras. But the point is that these racists are being outed and are losing their jobs. If you want to act like a racist lunatic in public then you should pay the price. Like the fed ex worker who was fired just this week for his outrageous public display of racism. If they aren't caught on camera then it just goes away, so I'm all for it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 05:22 PM Flag
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There aren't enough cameras wielded by the socially aware people to capture all this, especially in areas where it's rampant and many people have the same mind frame. And in some places it may simply be dangerous to do this. There is really not a damn thing you can do other than make sure to raise your kids right and hope with each new generation our ideas change. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:25 PM Flag
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But I"m saying there is. Raising your kids right is great, but that's the bare minimum and it goes way beyond that bc we'r still in a fked up place as a country. You talk about it, you file a police report if something happens, you take out your camera if something happens. Of course you won't catch it all, but the fact that a new video is out almost every week in the past few months means that there is more awareness both ways--for the racists that might think twice about going on a public rant over something trivial, and the victims of this behavior who may now think to immediately pull out their camera so they have evidence and not a he said-she said type of situation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.20, 12:42 AM Flag
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All these Karens are horrible. The Torrence one deserves jail time. The Arizona one deserved to be slapped, and much more. My MIL is also named Karen and she is a 100% 'let me speak to the manager' type in addition to being an abusive racist. I swear to god the meme is based on my MIL. Anyway all these women are horrible, full stop. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 05:51 PM Flag
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Don't be lazy and dish out broad accusations. Address the particular situation. The Karen thing is just an easy, stupid way to pile on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 08:23 PM Flag
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And what are you doing about your MIL? Can you change her? If you cannot how do you think you can change others who are strangers and not a part of your family? I bet you suck it up and go have a Turkey dinner with her every Thanksgiving, right? Or do you disown her and not allow your kids near her? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:27 PM Flag
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