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06.11.20, 19:27 PM General Topics
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Can someone please explain how a combination in school and remote learning will work for families with working parents? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.11.20, 07:27 PM Flag
 

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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:34 PM Flag
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Who pays for this? And please don't anyone start with the "school isn't child care" stuff. For every single American of our generation, it has always been to assume that our kids would be cared for for a certain number of hours a day, and our careers and schedules and families were planned around this fact. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:37 PM Flag
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+100000. The working world is based around the fact that M-F for a great part of the day children are in school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:52 PM Flag
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yes but the world has changed. SO working world expectations have to change! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:12 PM Flag
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np: But they're not. If anything, my work is demanding way more from me. Calls start as early as 7 and don't end till 7. There's no lunch, no breaks. I put time on my calendar to pee. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:30 PM Flag
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This. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:38 PM Flag
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Ugh, that sucks. I hope that once this becomes the norm, companies/bosses will (have to) be more understanding. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:38 PM Flag
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np. I think my company considers it a major concession that I can work from home, no matter that this is by state order. other than that, they have done nothing to acknowledge any difficulties created by childcare issues. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:42 PM Flag
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Do you work for a major cell/cable provider? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:45 PM Flag
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no [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:27 PM Flag
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previous np: We're 3 months in. My work is not changing. They do not care. Honestly I think they're thrilled that people are so damn available. Everyone I know who tries to take a week or day off ends up on calls. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:45 PM Flag
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nnp. Yes!!! It's even worse now. Before, people had some hesitancy about calling me at home versus on my work phone. Now they are calling me at all hours, and expecting complete availability, because I've got nowhere else to be! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:32 PM Flag
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+1 im logging in remotely from 630am until 9pm. granted im not all continuously but seriously way more hours than when i was in the office. its ridiculous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 12:50 AM Flag
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NP: My company/boss is super understanding - always telling me to take whatever time I need. But that hasn't stopped the work from coming in, and my younger untethered coworkers from being able to jump on it. I can't afford to be the victim of downsizing in this market at my age, so I feel that I have to make myself just as valuable. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:57 PM Flag
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*and available [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:58 PM Flag
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That sounds like a you and your employer problem. Why is it on the DOE to solve? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:50 PM Flag
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THIS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:14 PM Flag
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Let's pretend for one second that everyone can afford a babysitter. Which they can't, but let's just pretend. There's simply not enough babysitters for everyone to hire a babysitter! We're talking about over 1 million children. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:46 PM Flag
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lol - this. thank you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:50 PM Flag
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I'm glad you're able to LOL about this. I said babysitters because there is no other way. You really think DOE public servants will figure it out? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:54 PM Flag
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We are trying to point out that hypothetical babysitters isn't going to work either. The reality of the situation is a lot of people are going to lose their jobs and be forced to become SAHP. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:13 PM Flag
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Yes. They will. And it will also exacerbate the divide between private school families that will figure out social distancing and will have school more often. It's going to be awful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:16 PM Flag
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Slightly better than what is working for those parents now [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:34 PM Flag
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Unless your office will be requiring you to be back full-time [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:47 PM Flag
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Then you hire someone or figure out homeschooling with rest of classmates. Like each parent watches three other kids every Friday, something like that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:09 PM Flag
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This is not practical at all. I don't even want to homeschool my own kids I am sure as not not homeschooling their classmates . [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:14 PM Flag
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I know. I'm just telling you that DOE really doesn't care about your problems. And neither does deBlasio. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:19 PM Flag
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Isn't it better than what you have now? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:36 PM Flag
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Not if employers require you to go to the office. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 02:26 AM Flag
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Maybe there's a middle path where groups of families can get together and watch eachother's kids in groups? Like, monday family 1, tuesday family 2, etc. maybe it's pie in the sky [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:37 PM Flag
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Sounds awful [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:39 PM Flag
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+1. No way would I want to do this. I'd rather spend 3 days a week watching my own kids and wfh than losing an entire day watching my kids AND 3 neighborhood kids in a small apartment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:36 PM Flag
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+1. Provided your employer can agree to you WFH 3 days a week. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 02:27 AM Flag
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I think it will basically give parents 2 days per week where their kid is in school. But that only works till the first teacher or kid gets covid. Then I assume they shut it all down and go back to virtual. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:38 PM Flag
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no, you maybe shut down that one classroom for two weeks, and test all the kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:42 PM Flag
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This is what is happening in Australia, where they have reopened due to low virus rates (but still have had a few cases in schools). They close the whole school for maybe a day to clean everything, and then quarantine the affected class(es) for two weeks with virtual learning. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:01 PM Flag
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yes won't teachers be getting sick and carrying Covid back to their homes-kids-schools? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:42 PM Flag
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The children will also be bringing Covid home to their families. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:44 PM Flag
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No idea. And if you have multiple school-age children?? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:50 PM Flag
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true. what if DC 1 is attending M, W, and DC2 is attending Tu, Th? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:53 PM Flag
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This is my fear - especially since we commute by subway. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:57 PM Flag
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+1. 3 elementary kids in different grades. No idea how staggered schedules would work especially since one child usually takes the public transit or the school bus. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:18 PM Flag
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Right. So theoretically you could have a child home every day or every week. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:54 PM Flag
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i bet you can ask for them to be on the same days. its like sibling preference, DOE would probably be sensitive to that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:58 PM Flag
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Given how disorganized they are, I don’t know if they can accomplish this! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:03 PM Flag
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its data they already have for the most part. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:07 PM Flag
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:13 PM Flag
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ITA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:05 PM Flag
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I'll give you a little insight. They will do a ridiculous combination of two days a week in person learning in order to get classes down to about 12-15 kids. THEN, to appease the "we need to work" crowd, they will open a limited number of Daycare centers where poor and essential workers will bring their kids to spend the day remotely learning. So kids will attend two different schools essentially, providing for even more infections and subpart learning. That's how DOE is approaching this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:59 PM Flag
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omg. that sounds like what they will do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:14 PM Flag
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DOE will open daycare centers where they will warehouse poor children whose parents can't afford tutors/babysitters on the three days off they're planning each week [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:05 PM Flag
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Ok then fine! Whyfixate on the supposed income level? Parents who are MDs are going to be busy! It’s for whoever needs it! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:14 PM Flag
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Parents that can afford it will hire nannies/babysitters. Don't you see that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:17 PM Flag
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This new blended learning model will DECIMATE the learning outcomes of poor children. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:17 PM Flag
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The DOE isn't doing this for funsies. There's a pandemic. What is the feasible alternative? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:48 PM Flag
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not to mention those with special needs!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 12:51 AM Flag
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The DOE hasn't done a great job with our poorest children to begin with, this whole situation has been absolutely devasting for them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 01:11 PM Flag
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If they choose to, fine. Should low-income family children be left without options? Or does every child in the city have to be forced to attend school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:23 PM Flag
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Low income children will go to "daycare centers" in unused gyms in other buildings if they choose to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:26 PM Flag
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Do you want everyone to do so and thus force every child in the city to be exposed? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:27 PM Flag
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I want school to be back where kids stay together in their classes for all days a week. A lot of parents won't send anyway. But at least we're not cross contaminating by having kids essentially attend two schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:30 PM Flag
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Hey, maybe all parents will be so sick of their kids that they want to send them to daycare, necessary or not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:33 PM Flag
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I doubt all parents will do that. Just the desperate poor ones. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:37 PM Flag
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And what do we do about those pesky public health guidelines requiring physical distancing? Classrooms are the size they are. A finite number of kids can fit in them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:46 PM Flag
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im not so sure. how will they get these nannies and babysitters to their houses? the subway? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:14 PM Flag
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There are not enough sitters and nannies for everyone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:33 AM Flag
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How can they possibly do this? With what money? In what buildings? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:16 PM Flag
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In gyms. In special rooms. Instead of doing remote for HS And MS and full in person for ES, this is what they will end up doing. It's awful. My friend is a principal who was on a call with Carranza [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:18 PM Flag
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I see, you're saying they will essentially "close" the middle & high schools and use them as elementary schools instead? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:21 PM Flag
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No, right now they're talking about 2 days in person for ALL grades. Also considering adding a little more in person days to elementary by using special rooms and gyms. I would not count on more than 2x/week for MS and HS. Another model they're considering is week on/week off for all grades. Basically, they need to be able to space desks 6 feet apart. I'm saying they will open a limited number of "daycare centers" in gyms for people who have nowhere to send on days off. It's a really stupid plan that actually increases exposure and infection risk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:24 PM Flag
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Would the kids be taught anything on those days? Or just running around a gym with minimal supervision? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:38 PM Flag
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They will be "learning remotely". That means just busy work/homework assigned to them on their two days of in person instruction. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:40 PM Flag
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So essentially low-income kids would be at school 5 days a week but with only half-assed instruction for 3 of those days, and higher-income kids would be 2 days school/3 at home. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 08:46 PM Flag
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Yes. I expect tutors/educated babysitters will be able to ask for $$$/hour on those days. It will be a shortage. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:11 PM Flag
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What is the alternative that you are proposing that can still meet the public health guidelines? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:46 PM Flag
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I'm trying to understand what their plan is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:59 PM Flag
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You've been told what their plan is. You keep complaining that it's imperfect, as if it's something they're doing just because, and not as a response to a pandemic and health guidelines. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:03 PM Flag
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No, I clarified what the OR said because it wasn't fully clear to me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:05 PM Flag
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"So essentially low-income kids would be at school 5 days a week but with only half-assed instruction for 3 of those days, and higher-income kids would be 2 days school/3 at home." Yep, that sounds like a mere request for clarification. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:11 PM Flag
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Is that not what or is describing? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:14 PM Flag
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You added a layer of bitching ("half assed teaching") to what OR said. You're clearly unhappy and pass-agg about it. That is why I'm asking what your alternative is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 06:54 AM Flag
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Nah, you're misinterpreting my tone [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 10:52 AM Flag
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Even if they do full remote for HS/MS, and free up space, how can they do full in person for ES? They still need have the number of kids in a classroom, and there aren't double the number of ES teachers available. Or are you suggesting they knock down walls in HS/MS buildings to double classroom sizes? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:52 PM Flag
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I'm not suggesting anything. Calm down. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:00 PM Flag
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I'm perfectly calm, thanks. Merely trying to understand what you are proposing as an alternative to the plan you're so unhappy about. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:10 PM Flag
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I’m not unhappy about anything. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:14 PM Flag
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Even if they do full remote for HS/MS, and free up space, how can they do full in person for ES? They still need have the number of kids in a classroom, and there aren't double the number of ES teachers available. Or are you suggesting they knock down walls in HS/MS buildings to double classroom sizes? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:52 PM Flag
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They should open K-3 at full capacity. Those kids NEED social interaction. More than 2x/week. Use Javitz center and empty Wework offices if they have to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:57 PM Flag
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With what teachers? I know there are some excess teachers available, but I doubt it's that many. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:04 PM Flag
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where exactly will they open these day care centers? the current REC centers are at schools, which will be in use in Sept. So where are they going to warehouse these kids keep social distancing. The # using will increase a lot by sept i imagine. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 01:28 AM Flag
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The whole idea of needing to space desks 6 feet apart is so dumb, at least with elementary school kids. They'll gravitate toward one another regardless. Spacing the desks will do nothing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:21 PM Flag
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Absolutely [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:35 PM Flag
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I assume teachers will have to supervise/enforce it. Another reason they need fewer kids in the building at a time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:59 PM Flag
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Walking in and out of the buildings, at lunch, recess, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:01 PM Flag
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Yes. They will have to be supervised all the time and reminded. It won't be perfect and kids will slip up and need correcting, but better than just giving up and allowing them to be on top of each other. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:06 PM Flag
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The virus doesn't GAF about your work schedule. The DOE is responding to the virus. Schools need to operate at 50% capacity to abide by public health guidelines. Parents will need to figure out their own shit. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:45 PM Flag
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Most kids and parents can weather the virus. It's the older 60+ generation that should be figuring out their own shit as you so compassionately put it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:54 PM Flag
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And the thousands of kids living with grandparents as carers, since you're so compassionate? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:06 PM Flag
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NP- By the OR's argument, those grandparents need to figure out their shit... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:20 PM Flag
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NP. Yes, I am sorry but we have to draw the line somewhere. If you are elderly or immunocompromised - you are out of luck since you are a target for this virus. So you have to isolate while the rest of us go back to some sort of normalcy. Life isn't fair...just ask the people of Syria, or the Congo, or the ones born poor all over the world, from China to India to the Amazon to Africa... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 02:43 AM Flag
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Amazing how the 'we' who draws the line never includes the people who suffer from where it's drawn. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 02:01 PM Flag
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This. The only reason she is saying this is that she is convinced that she will not get the virus. Basically, tough for everyone else, as long as I am ok. Terrible. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 06:12 PM Flag
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Ok, so what you want is the Department of Health to change the guidelines to 60+ isolating from younger generations and remove physical distancing requirements from younger people. But until/unless they do that, schools are bound by their regulations. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:09 PM Flag
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I think in your view 60+ is expendable. Lovely. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 12:36 AM Flag
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Not expendable. Since they are at risk, they should also be the ones who bear the brunt of this. So they continue to isolate, while the rest of the world slowly resumes life. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 02:45 AM Flag
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And you know perfectly well that wouldn't work for most family groups. I also feel quite sure you wouldn't say the same thing if we were talking about people in their 30s, say. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 01:44 PM Flag
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The virus will spread anyway if kids start crowding back into schools and packing public transportation five days a week. And as you know perfectly well it will end up affecting various segments of the population that are at higher risk, no matter how hard people try to isolate. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 01:48 PM Flag
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Bear the brunt? The at-risk population has already been bearing it. A big part of how we got into the first wave in NYC was because the schools stayed open so long due to fears over what parents would do for childcare. City government were all for keeping them open even longer. Imagine how many more people would be dead. You need to figure out that the virus is running the show and there are other people with needs besides yourself. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 01:55 PM Flag
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This. I feel like the rhetoric around this plan has drifted away from the virus and we're talking about it as if it's just the latest DOE initiative. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:08 PM Flag
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Right?? Maybe because we're so used to the DOE bringing out new stupid initiatives all the time, so this just feels like more of the same. But it's really not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 10:12 PM Flag
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100%. Yes, the DOE sucks but they cant safely have all the kids in class at the same time and keep it safe. Theres a pandemic. Be glad they are even trying to figure it out part-time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 08:53 PM Flag
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+1000000. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 07:19 PM Flag
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It’s a bad situation. I lost my job and don’t plan on going back because, how ?!? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:17 PM Flag
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No clue. People are being laid off every day, and the rest of the staff will have double work. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:19 PM Flag
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I can’t work from home and only make money when at work. So now 3 days a week I can’t make money to support my family bc I have to homeschool my 5 year old? Wtf??????? I can’t pay someone to be with him if I’m not earning. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 02:43 AM Flag
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