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06.09.20, 22:35 PM General Topics
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Maybe already discussed, but did everyone see the leaked DOE meeting notes about NYC heavily planning a staggering every other day school attendance? Really sucks. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.09.20, 10:35 PM Flag
 

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What would every other day attendance prove? Germs from the day before will still be in the air, unless they have major filtration systems, and potentially alive on surfaces unless they disinfect every night. Makes no sense. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 10:37 PM Flag
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OP: EXACTLY. ridiculous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 10:38 PM Flag
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Kids leave at 2:20 and come at 8. I doubt germs live that long in the air. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 10:46 PM Flag
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+1 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 03:47 AM Flag
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Air and surfaces won't be an issue. Half the kids means they might be a little further apart from each other, although honestly it's a lost cause. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 11:13 PM Flag
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15 kids is a far cry from the 30 in my child's class. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 05:38 PM Flag
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Ummmhhh no! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 10:40 PM Flag
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Can you link it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 10:48 PM Flag
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every other day? that is the dumbest idea ever. its unsustainable for families who are working. mass confusion on what days to come in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 10:56 PM Flag
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Yes impossible to get to work! Or even WFH well. I'm a single mom. HELP! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 12:05 AM Flag
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they are also looking at M7T, W&Th with Fri off. Either that or alternating weeks makes more sense, ALternating weeks is the best safety wise, because the surfaces in the class room will only be touched by the same group of kids for the week. Imagine everything that kids touch in a classroom. = [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 05:40 PM Flag
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Ridiculous. How will this work for working parents? We need the kids to be in school every day (at least in the beginning of the school year). This would be too disruptive in the learning to go to school every other day. What they could do is to have school every day until Thanksgiving or winter break and then switch to remote learning if there is a potential 2nd wave. This way the kids will have a chance to meet their teachers and classmates in the first half fo the school year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 10:56 PM Flag
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The doe doesn’t care about working parents. Eg, those stupid “half” days that are really a quarter day for people who work full time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 11:40 PM Flag
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My kids have three half days a year in NYC public. That is way different than every other day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 02:51 PM Flag
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Obviously the DOE knows that this situation would require working parents to stay home some days. That's one of the points. (By keeping kids home, parents are home as well. So that's a lot less people out and about.) (I hate it when people think of the most obvious thing and assume nobody else thought of it. Including people whose jobs are to think about this shit all day every day.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 05:44 PM Flag
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YES!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 12:05 AM Flag
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The public health guidelines require kids to social distance. They cannot do this in full classrooms of 32 kids. This trumps your "need" for the kids to be in school every day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 07:59 AM Flag
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Why do you put “need” in quotes? Do you question the idea that working parents are struggling to work when kids are not in school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 09:37 AM Flag
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I question the idea that it trumps public health guidelines. It is possible for parents to find other childcare solutions. It's not easy, and it sucks, but you can't just say "we need to send our kids to school" and expect that to magically erase the health advice that they CANNOT all be there at once. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 10:29 AM Flag
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People need to pay their bills. You are out of touch. Kids are starving in my area. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 02:52 PM Flag
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this. SERIOUSLY out of touch [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 03:27 PM Flag
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I am not out of touch. I understand what you are saying. But you are in denial that WE ARE IN A PANDEMIC and there is public health advice that precludes full attendance at schools on any one day. What do you propose the DOE do? Just rip up the guidelines and wait for the lawsuits when someone dies? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:21 PM Flag
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You are denying that people need to work to survive. Staying home for a full year is not an option. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:34 AM Flag
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Agree. Of course people need to have childcare and meals, but it doesn’t have to be in the form of school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 07:29 PM Flag
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Hey would you put a bunch of kids together and not teach. Makes no sense. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:11 PM Flag
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Because the people supervising them would not be teachers? I mean, if the DOE can magically double its number of teachers by September, then by all means. But here in the real world, what will probably need to happen is some form of alternate child care/supervision, maybe run in church halls, community centres etc, with numbers allowing for physical distancing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:18 PM Flag
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The teachers work every day and they teach half the kids one day and the same lesson the next. They have assignments on google classroom for the day they are not there. If the other kids all go to a daycare, why not just have a full class? It makes no sense to have half the kids in class and half in daycare. Just open up fully. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 11:08 PM Flag
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It's about physical space. If the whole class is in the classroom, they do not have space to distance appropriately. What about this is so challenging for you to understand? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 05:09 AM Flag
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To have a full class, they need all classrooms to be double the size. Physically impossible. Better to have those who can, stay home alternate days, and find other space (gyms, community halls etc) to supervise those whose parents can't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 07:39 AM Flag
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Kids are not going to social distance. Do you really believe 15 four year olds will social distance? They will not. What about kids that need to be toileted? Kids that have 1:1s. There will be no social distancing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:36 AM Flag
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Ok, so get the health department to revise the guidelines to say kids are exempt. Until they do, DOE has to follow them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 09:48 PM Flag
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Childcare is not the DOE's responsibility. I accept that many have come to rely on school for childcare, and under normal circumstances that is reasonable, but this is not business as usual and schools cannot safely care for all children every day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 10:31 AM Flag
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No, but they have a responsibility in educating the children. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 05:57 PM Flag
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And they can do that by alternating in-person and remote learning. It's called blended learning. It's not ideal but neither is the fucking global pandemic. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:16 PM Flag
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Leave it to the DOE to come up with the stupidest possible plan. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 11:00 PM Flag
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No, I had not heard that but it makes sense as it is what the private schools are planning. Do you have a link? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 11:25 PM Flag
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really? every other day? they should at least do some sort of blocks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 11:34 PM Flag
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Who said this is what privates are planning??? Privates are easier able to have small classes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 12:06 AM Flag
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Lol not our private [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:09 AM Flag
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None of the privates are planning every other day! Many are planning for the older students to be in the building half the time, but they are looking at one week on, one week off, or even 2 weeks at a time (which is what a lot of offices are planning as well) and the time at home will be fully synchronous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:38 AM Flag
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things are all over the place. My dcs are in 2 different k-12 privates (coed and ss) and both are leaning more towards younger kids having more in person school as remote learning is much harder for them. But who knows what will ultimately happen. We are supposed to get the next update in July. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:21 PM Flag
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op: Sorry, I just meant that privates are planning for partial in-school and remote learning. Maybe not alternating days! I wasn't intending to be that specific. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:48 AM Flag
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it is the alternating days part that is nuts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 02:58 AM Flag
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This is then only possible option for re-opening in Sept. If they can even pull this off it will be a miracle. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 11:33 PM Flag
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It really isn’t. It’s a dumb idea. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 11:35 PM Flag
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It is because they cannot have 25-30 kids in a classroom per public health guidelines. Social distancing is still required. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 11:39 PM Flag
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This. There is no alternative. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:01 AM Flag
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Teachers every day? They will be at no less risk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.09.20, 11:35 PM Flag
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At least they can distance a bit more effectively, at least in theory. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 07:57 AM Flag
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Looks like the post was deleted? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:25 AM Flag
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Yes and how many teachers are they going to fire ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 01:45 AM Flag
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Teachers won’t get fired, that will never happen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 02:25 AM Flag
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How would firing teachers play into this? There are still the same number of kids to be taught, just not all of them in the building at one time. Same number of teachers still needed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 07:52 AM Flag
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good thing you're not trying to run a school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 05:45 PM Flag
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At my husband's NYC public school the principal already announced that multiple teachers will be laid off over the summer and won't be returning in the fall. They don't know who yet, so basically everyone is panicking. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 06:38 PM Flag
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It goes by seniority of license. They are not fired. They still get paid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:12 PM Flag
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Is this directly COVID related, or have enrolments dropped? I thought NYC teachers had a union cap on the number of sections/students they could teach (quite rightly, I should add...) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:24 PM Flag
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This is a troll because teachers do not get fired for lack of enrollment. They get excessed and find a new job. They still get paid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 11:10 PM Flag
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I am the poster you are responding to and I am not a troll. Who are you calling a troll? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 05:09 AM Flag
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Sorry. How does your dh work in a NYC doe schools that fires people? That does not exist so I assumed you were making it up. If not, your husband is completely incorrect and should not spread inaccuracies. Teachers who get exceeded get paid. There is also a hiring freeze for new teachers so schools will hire excessed teachers. Nobody gets “fired”. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:39 AM Flag
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Sorry if by paid off, you meant excesses but laid off sounds like people lose their jobs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 11:40 AM Flag
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Honestly, I've been assuming they'd be completely online. I'd be thrilled if they can pull off staggered attendance!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 05:20 AM Flag
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I would prefer week on week off, but it's a no-brainer that some form of staggering is going to be needed to comply with the health directives. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 07:57 AM Flag
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The thought is to teach the lesson at school and practice remotely at home. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 02:53 PM Flag
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Where was this? It's largely been left to the individual schools to figure out how they're going to handle it, at least at the high-school level. And what's scary is that many of them have only just started planning. (Relative is on a planning panel for a HS.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 05:46 PM Flag
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No individual schools are planning if they open next year in the doe [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 06:00 PM Flag
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It will be inconvenient, but it is not the DOE that decides that social distancing is required. Some kids can continue to distance learn. Groups can try to organize into pods to help with commuting and childcare. Many may also be working from home or have flexibility with their hours, depending on childcare/school hours. There may be childcare centers or before/after school options, private at least, that hopefully help out. Nothing about this has been convenient. But staggering to every other day is not the biggest issue, IMO. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 07:49 PM Flag
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This. Everyone is losing their minds like the DOE decided to have a pandemic for funsies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:23 PM Flag
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I think the pandemic has been stressful in nearly every way, present and future. But instead of getting angry and pointing fingers, or even waiting for the PTA, class parents, DOE, state funding, government guidelines, etc people can start to make plans for themselves too. Instead of thinking they need to bail, as if privates won't get the virus, or small towns won't get hit, they can get prepared. They can find out who in their building or neighborhood or school is willing to help out and organize now, in case the schedules are staggered, in case childcare is needed, in case someone in the household is sick and a family self-quarantines (so student needs work sent home, family needs food, etc). Parents can try to pitch in together to hire an after school or alternate day sitter and keep kids (from the same school) occupied at one DC's house, on rotation, so parents can WFH more efficiently. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:46 PM Flag
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This. The learned helplessness on this board is disturbing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 09:19 PM Flag
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But if we are grouping our dc together at home instead of at school, are we really gaining on the social distancing front? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 11:34 PM Flag
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Smaller groups, more space. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 05:10 AM Flag
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I'm a teacher and a parent. I really hope my district and my kids' district both go to a hybrid program like this. Both my own children need some teacher attention and social interaction they find in school. But they both do really well working on their own at home, too. My own classroom is already only at about 16-18 kids, so to have 8-9 kids per day? The individual attention I could give would be amazing. I do as much as I can in my already small classroom, but I could seriously meet 1:1 with every single kid every day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 08:56 PM Flag
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But you would only be meeting with the kids every other day... So many kids have done horribly on the remote learning. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.10.20, 11:35 PM Flag
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This is true. But I believe that what I could do with a very small group of kids in 2 days + sending home all the less important work (ie, handwriting, some worksheets) for distance learning will be significant. Much less time wasted on behaviors. I'd be very happy if we all went back as usual too. I love my job. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 01:14 AM Flag
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yes but this would kill everyone else's jobs especially those with younger kids for whom remote learning is not a thing/ abject failure. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.11.20, 01:29 AM Flag
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So, you can have your kids home with you every single day for months or you can have them home with you 3 days a week. Which do you prefer? Because kids back in school 5 days a week isn't an option. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.20, 11:46 PM Flag
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