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06.04.08, 10:11 AM NY Schools
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Let's redraw the school zones. Article in the NY Sun: http://www.nysun.com/new-york/klein-eyes-the-rezoning-of-city-school-districts/79279/ [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
NY Schools 06.04.08, 10:11 AM Flag
 

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I hate the sun! Such a right wing paper trying to pretend otherwise. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:14 AM Flag
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to call it a paper is kind. it's a propaganda rag. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:16 AM Flag
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np: that seems unfair to some of the propoganda rags out there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:17 AM Flag
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haven't read the article but redrawing the school zones is waaaaay too logical [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:17 AM Flag
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OK, I read it and I'm for it as long as you give people time to regroup and rent or buy in the zone they prefer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:21 AM Flag
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well, nobody gave us a chance to regroup. we bought in wv thinking dc would go to 41 and the rug was pulled out from under us. it affects the value of our apartment too. i know, cry me a river, but the way the doe is going about this is a infuriating to some. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:23 AM Flag
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I'm not buying the value of your apartment thing. Your apartment is STILL in the 41 zone. You may be forced to go to 3 with the lottery, but the value of your apartment has not been affected by this. That is a stretch. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:25 AM Flag
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there are people who won't buy in the zone if there's even a chance they will wind up at 3. not the end of the world for us, i'm just putting it out there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:49 AM Flag
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you've got to be kidding. It's GV for crying out loud. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:54 AM Flag
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Where would they buy instead? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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if lots of wv families send their kids to 3, won't it end up just as good in a few years? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:13 AM Flag
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Some people believe its better. That isn't the point. 3 is progressive and there are many people who don't believe in or want a progressive education for their child. When you force them to attend a school they don't agree with, you will have 5 or 6 people in every classroom fighting the system every day. This will cause the school to implode. It serves no one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:20 AM Flag
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It'll end up being just another not diverse standard curriculum school, with great test scores, just like 41 - and very far from being what it has always been. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:23 AM Flag
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Well that sucks! It was serving a community. Its a little ironic that PS3 was STARTED because parents didn't like 41 and 41 turned around and destroyed it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:24 AM Flag
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how did 41 destroy it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:27 AM Flag
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PS41 went to the DOE about his lottery, not the other way around. They were upset that they had to give up their teachers lounge and *might* have to get rid of computer room. I know you are a 41 mom and will fight tooth and nail to challenge this, I'm not interested in fighting with you. I simply answered your question. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:32 AM Flag
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wow. you're psychotic. i'm not a 41 mom. i just asked a simple question. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:33 AM Flag
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just ignore her. she's probably crazy dumping ground mom who starts foaming at the mouth every time this topic comes up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:34 AM Flag
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You know PS3 did better than 41 this past year on the tests. They are two very different schools. Neither is the "better" school, but they both provide very high quality education. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:41 AM Flag
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no they didn't. you can check the stats yourself at doe website. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:49 AM Flag
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are you saying that 41 did better in both English and Math in 3, 4, and 5th grade tests? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:51 AM Flag
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and I'm a new poster, so I don't know the answer to this one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:53 AM Flag
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yes. 91, 80, 86 and 95, 88, 83 vs. 93, 96, 94 and 98, 96, 92. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:57 AM Flag
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oh my. Thanks, but I can't make heads or tails out of that. But don't worry. I'm not THAT into scores. Thanks for taking the time to do that tho [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 12:01 PM Flag
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it's ela scores for 3rd, 4th and 5th and math scores for 3rd, 4th and 5th for each school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 12:03 PM Flag
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can you link this? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 12:03 PM Flag
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Is your child entering K next year? Have you heard which school? Who told you? Thanks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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We are not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but we carefully chose our apt (and rejected many others) specifically based on the public school zone. We also paid a premium for being in the zone we're in. I will be furious if the DOE takes that away from us. This would be another example of the DOE making the public pay for the mistakes it has made (in this case, failure adequately to plan for population growth). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:28 AM Flag
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How many years BEFORE your child starts k did you buy? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:40 AM Flag
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I guess you are not going to answer. So, I'll just state my opinion. If you buy real estate more than a couple of years prior to entering K, I think all bets are off on any expectation you have about schools. That is why IF they rezone (and I think they should), they should give a couple of years notice so people can figure out what they are going to do. I don't think there is a huge shortage of school buildings. I think that building a handful will help and rezoning will help more. Look at the population and draw the lines accordingly. I think this will ONLY HELP schools. Individuals might complain, but I just don't see how it could hurt schools to divide the 234 population (as one example) and put 1/2 here, 1/2 there. You end up with two great schools instead of one. Call me crazy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:49 AM Flag
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np. we bought one year before and now we may be sending dc to a school other than the one we thought we would. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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I am the OR -- I was actually working and just checked back. We bought our place years ago when our oldest kid was an infant. At the time, there was no sense at all that "all bets are off" re: school zoning. In fact, the realtor tried to get us to buy outside the zone, saying that the local school often granted variances. We were not comfortable taking any chances with that and made sure to buy in the zone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:04 AM Flag
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That really sucks. We don't live in NYC anymore but when we did, we bought an apt in the PS199 zone for that very reason-- and the fact that the apt was in that zone was definitely a selling point and added to the price we paid for the apartment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:11 AM Flag
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Just so everyone knows, realtors are not longer allowed to state what school is the zoned school in ads or in person. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:15 AM Flag
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but they do and everyone knows it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:23 AM Flag
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When was the last time one did this to you? Its a new law [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:26 AM Flag
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are you kidding? i've been looking for the last two months and all i hear from brokers is zoned for this, zoned for that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:29 AM Flag
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Then you should report them as it is now against the law for them to do this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:33 AM Flag
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i've got better things to do with my time, thanks. people don't need a broker to tell them what the school zone is anyway. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:35 AM Flag
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No one should have better things to do with their time than to support anti discrimination laws in the US. That is what the no school zone thing came from. It takes everyone. But we all make our choices. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:38 AM Flag
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*eyeroll* it's silly. just because you don't say a neighborhood is zoned for a certain school doesn't mean it's not. is anyone busting insideschools for discrimination? because they post school zones on their website, as does the doe. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:50 AM Flag
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What does the doe have to do with it? OF course they post this info. Realtors/Doe - I don't see the connection. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:55 AM Flag
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the information is out there whether brokers are sharing it or not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 12:01 PM Flag
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no one claimed otherwise. This conversation (or at least my conversation) is that realtors are no longer allowed to do this. It is against the law. It came about due to anit discrimination legislation and its something I support. No one else has to. Although, I believe they should. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 12:08 PM Flag
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why do you support it? because you think pretending that rich people can't afford a good school makes it somehow not true? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 12:10 PM Flag
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There is an article on NYT website (within last six months) that discusses. Does a much better job than I could on UB. I support most anti discrimination practices by NYC brokers. They suck. I've been in the south and in nyc and nyc is BY FAR worse in that sense. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 12:13 PM Flag
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not or, but ita [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:21 AM Flag
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I think that if you are looking to get an apt today, that's a reasonable assessment, but it was certainly not he case 3-5 years ago. In 2003, the UES schools were only 30% zoned kids and now they are 100% zoned and over-capacity. If the city could not predict that, I'm not sure how parents are supposed to. And it's one thing to take 3 good zones and split them into 4 schools if you are going to take some teachers from each of those schools to staff the new school and it's differnt to send 1/2 the kids from a good school zone to a mediocre neighboring school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:23 AM Flag
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same and same. we scraped together every penny we had to buy a small place in a great zone, thinking g&t was not a sure thing and private was out of our budget. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:50 AM Flag
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If it makes you feel any better, we lived in 41 zone for 18 years BEFORE our daughter was born and our L shaped studio go to small. Then we moved to Forest Hills, Queens so she could go to P.S. 101 - and learned today 101 is overcrowded and not all zoned kids will get in for Kindergarden. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:18 AM Flag
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Is that the school you mentioned in another post? Did they use the reasoning that K is not required in NYC? Your dc will be allowed to attend for first grade btw. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:23 AM Flag
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Yes, that Kindergarden is not required so they can move kids to next close school - and talked about buses. Really, they have to take us at zoned school for 1st grade? Are you sure?... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:24 AM Flag
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Not 100%, but 99 percent. I think they are hoping that people just stay where they are. If I were in this situation, I would keep my dc home for the K year (I'm sahm) and then trot up there and register for first grade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:29 AM Flag
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np: you could even do a preschool with a K program or a parochial school for 1 year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:34 AM Flag
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You should go to school and ask this specifically. Say, you are not going to send your dc to K if she doesn't get a spot at this school and you will register for first. Then ask, is she guarnateed a spot for first. See what they say. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:36 AM Flag
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