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06.04.08, 07:36 AM NY Schools
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For those applying for public K: how is the overcrowding situation in your zoned school? Are they planning to go over the 25-seat limit? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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not at the school we're zoned for. currenlty only 15 kids in each K class. (brooklyn) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:40 AM Flag
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Wow, what school is this? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:42 AM Flag
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110 in greenpoint. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 08:11 AM Flag
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very small class size can also be a indicator of potential problems, some of the worst performing schools in the city have small class sizes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.07.08, 04:30 PM Flag
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there's been a lot of news coverage about this recently. I think the best zoned schools in districts 2 and 3 are all over 100% capacity (some as much as 130-150% capacity) so yes, they are definitely over the 25-seat limit. check insideschools.org, too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:42 AM Flag
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Do you know how they are going to settle who gets a spot (besides siblings)? Lottery? FCFS? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:43 AM Flag
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In D3 it's a lottery that you needed to register for a while back. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:44 AM Flag
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I think when you see the numbers for capacity - it refers to how many students the building was designed for, not to how many are in each classroom. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:48 AM Flag
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we're in Riverdale. School is overcrowded but is capped at 25 kids per K class... I think they bus out after that... we had to register early, wait on line... people were freaked. but I think everyone is in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:43 AM Flag
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So it was FCFS? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:45 AM Flag
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horrible. over 100% capacity. i think they are hoping and praying many families go with a g&t. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:49 AM Flag
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sorry to hijack, but this whole situation is a bit scary. there are way too many kids in the city now...more people having more kids, more families staying in the city...lots of new condo buildings with family-sized apts going up in the good districts...and the publics aren't prepared, and there aren't enough private seats either. What a mess. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 07:54 AM Flag
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I think with the slower economy and high real estate prices, more people are moving further away from Manhattan and even out of NYC altogether. There are just too many unknowns regarding school as it stands. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 08:48 AM Flag
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In this year's K class, there are 4 classes (3 have 20 kids and 1 has 16 kids). No one yet knows what the numbers will be for the incoming 2008 class. I already know of 1 family that is cheating to get their kid enrolled in our zoned school. Part of me wants to anonymously report them, but I won't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:10 AM Flag
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Those numbers are nice and low. Where is this school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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Washington Heights [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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We just lost our small class size grant. So who knows. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:47 AM Flag
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I hope you are not talking about PS 11. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:50 AM Flag
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No, PS3. The DOE managed to take a great choice school that served a diverse (racially and socioeconomically) population and did it well and destroy it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:51 AM Flag
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The thing is that it is in a very crowded zone. Bumping up the number of kids per class is the cheapest and easiest way out of this problem. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:57 AM Flag
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I think its shortsighted. If they kicked out all of the people in 41 with fake addresses, the problem would be much better. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:03 AM Flag
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41 will be scrutinizing addresses this year. the problem won't go away even so simply because there are so many dcs. and anyway, if it's ok for people at 3 to be outside of the zone, you can't really get on your high horse about people using fake addresses at 41. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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It's not ok for people to be in 3 outside of the zone. Why do you think it is? The DOE changed all of that when they elimated variances. And what is with YOUR attitude? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:08 AM Flag
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I'm not a 3 parent btw. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:09 AM Flag
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i thought you were the great choice school poster. sorry. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:09 AM Flag
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No, I'm a 41 parent who kn ows how many people are there on their parents addresses. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:11 AM Flag
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i know people there with fake addresses as well. hopefully all that will change going forward. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:17 AM Flag
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HOnestly, I think you have some responsibility to call them out on it. As someone in that zone, it makes me furious that this goes on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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same, but once they are in, it doesn't help much except as a disincentive. np, btw. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:54 AM Flag
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There is supposed to be a new school that will take some of the pressure off (in about 6 years). Maybe the wall street crisis will help too :) My bad. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:04 AM Flag
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it's a shame, but unfortunately the neighborhood has grown to the point where there needs to be two zoned schools, not one zoned and one choice school that takes a sizable number of dcs from outside the zone. the doe really had no choice in this case. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:57 AM Flag
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I think PS 3 took five students from outside the zone last year. But, that is pretty much over everywhere. For better or worse. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:00 AM Flag
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That is interesting. I think GV is one of the FEW neighborhoods without tons of high rises being built. I guess more people are just staying in the village and having more children. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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i think that's true. plus, while you don't think of the heart of gv as having high rises, there are new ones in the zone, on union square for instance, or morton square or in the meatpacking district. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:08 AM Flag
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Maybe they should just redraw the zone lines. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:10 AM Flag
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i think that's a given, but it's very controversial. people who buy in a zone thinking they are going to send dc to a certain school only to find they aren't. the good news is there will be two new schools with good facilities. part of the issue people have with 3 (besides the philosophy) is how run-down it is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:18 AM Flag
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I just read the sun article and I think that if you give people two years notice - then you should be able to redraw the zones. I think that is fair. Anyone else? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:19 AM Flag
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eh. it affects property values as well. when you can't sell your apt. as being in, say, the 234 zone, it makes a difference. until the other school gets the same reputation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:20 AM Flag
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life is tough. There are no easy answers. I think the population in NYC has changed and redrawing the lines with the neww data makes perfect sense to me. If your apt was in 234 and isn't anymore, that is a shame. But - it is not the end of the world. You sell it, sublet it, rent or buy elsewhere, go to a g&t, go to an unzoned school 150 or 212, or go private. That is A LOT of choice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:23 AM Flag
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first off, if you live in a co-op, it's very difficult to sublet it. 150 has only 25 slots per grade, so that's no guarantee, and neither is 212. and why should you have to go private if you bought specifically for a good public? some people pour all their money into an apt in a good zone and don't then have the money for private. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:25 AM Flag
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It depends on the coop. Mine is sublet friendly [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:26 AM Flag
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mine isn't. : ( [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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you sound a little like "not in my back yard". Every solution is not going to benefit every person. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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of course not. but to watch the value of your property nosedive when the person across the street's is fine simply because of some arbitrarily drawn zoning line is not easy. i have sympathy for these people and i'm not even one of them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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The line was just as arbitrary when it included your side of the street. That is the part you are missing. When did they draw the zones? How many more buildings have been build within that "square" of space? It only makes sense to redraw. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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huh? you buy knowing what the lines are. no one's missing anything. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:59 AM Flag
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wait a minutes. Since when are property prices guaranteed? Shit happens. The DOE needs to redraw the zone boundaries, Tough luck for the ones who will suffer, but that is life. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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nothing is guaranteed, but people buy in certain neighborhoods for certain schools and have a reasonable expectation that their property value won't decrease because of zoning. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:31 AM Flag
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I am very sure the city has the right to do that. It is going to be unpopular among a minority of folks, so what? Short of building more and more schools why not trying to balance the load among schools first? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:33 AM Flag
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Yes, among people who could afford to purchase manhattan real estate. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:38 AM Flag
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Since when? What makes you think that? Did they have a clause in your mortgage? This makes no sense. It is unreasonable no matter how hard you argue that it is. You assumed too much. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:36 AM Flag
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npp. it's really not all that unreasonable. i'm not saying they shouldn't suck it up, but it still sucks. you sound like the typical ub bpp who assumes anyone rich enough to buy in a good zone deserves to be screwed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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I'm not at all as you describe and there is no reason for you to make that assumption. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:17 AM Flag
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UB at its best, resorting to personal attacks! Its baaaack [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 11:21 AM Flag
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What year did you buy? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:39 AM Flag
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There is one poster obsessed with property value and their case is simply not true. Besides, this is not a new idea. Cities redraw lines and have for decades. You deal. No one gets a guarantee. There is a problem and there are no easy solutions. You come up with what works best. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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That's what the DOE does best!!! Same thing happened at our school too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 04:36 AM Flag
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np. 11 will lose theirs soon enough. the demographics of that neighborhood are much different than they were. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:56 AM Flag
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Did ps40 keep theirs? How big will the class size be in 41 this year? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 09:59 AM Flag
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Wonder why 41 parents won't answer this. They better have 25. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:20 AM Flag
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and its a good school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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it's fine, but one of the best things it had going for it was the class size. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:10 AM Flag
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I don't think they lost their small class size grant for next year. Don't worry needlessly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:13 AM Flag
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At PS 39 in Park Slope, we had 18 or 19 kids in ds' K class. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 10:19 AM Flag
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How do you like the school? We are districted for it but nervous about using it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.04.08, 02:04 PM Flag
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Those numbers must be old for 39, right? My daughter (out of zone) is wait listed there for K this yr. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 03:41 AM Flag
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Love it--ds' teachers so far have been great, and it seems like every adult in the building already knows him by name (because it's a small school) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 11:50 AM Flag
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wouldn't they just put you in another district school, or if room and financing add another K classroom? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 03:45 AM Flag
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At ours, ps6, capacity is about 110%. I think PS158 is the best on the ues as far as small class size. PS 290 is the worst as far as overcrowding and is at 150% capacity. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 11:53 AM Flag
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