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05.30.08, 04:12 AM NY Schools
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I'm so pissed about this lottery for citywides. So totally unfair. They said it would be based on scores. Why isn't it based on scores? Why can a January kid with 9 wrong get in over a December kid with 2 wrong? Not fair. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
NY Schools 05.30.08, 04:12 AM Flag
 

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huh? what did I miss? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 04:17 AM Flag
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General Topics 05.30.08, 04:40 AM Flag
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General Topics 05.30.08, 04:48 AM Flag
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ITTTA and I have a late birthday dc with 2 wrong! They took this test at 4-5 yo. I know a dc with a perfect score, but 90 on the SB. My dc has a 99 SB so how would it be fair? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 05:17 AM Flag
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They said it would be based on percentile ranking and it is. They never said it would be based on raw scores. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 06:55 AM Flag
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They said it would be based on scores, and since last year it was based on scaled scores (not raw scores and not percentile scores) many people assumed it would be this year, too. It doesn't bother me that they're using this lottery method within percentiles, but the lack of clarity and consistency does tick me of. If they'd just said from the outset that this is how it would work this year there would have been a lot less drama. It's the perception that they're arbitrarily changing the rules as they go along that gets people stirred up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:05 AM Flag
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No they said percentiles. And making assumptions based on last year doesn't make any sense because they specifically said they were changing the way they were doing things. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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No, they didn't say percentiles until well into the process, after all the dc had been tested. The initially said the placements would be by SCORE. Which is sufficiently vague that it's not surprising people would assume they meant the same type of scores as last year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:31 AM Flag
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>> They initially... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:32 AM Flag
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So what would you have done differently? By the time you had your DCs score you knew it was percentile. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:43 AM Flag
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np - I think this may fall into what lawyers call "emotional distress"! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:46 AM Flag
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lol [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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I wouldn't have done anything differently. Did you read my posts? I don't care that they're using a lottery within percentiles. I think it's probably fairer that way to be honest. The problem is the DOE continues to be unclear and inconsistent, they make up the rules as they go along, and some of them they seem to be pulling straight out of their @sses. None of this inspires confidence. To put it mildly. That is the problem, ultimately. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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new poster to this thread. It doesn't matter in the long run, it truly doesn't. No matter what the criteria, you would have had your child tested, you would have the same score and you would still be waiting for a placement. They could change their minds 25 times and it doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things. Your child is a 99 - that's great. You will get a seat. I hope its the one you want. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:50 AM Flag
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np: Have you made every rule for how you are going to parent? live? Do you not change them as experience warrants? I would argue the opposite point you make. I think that (unlike, say, the White House) the DOE reevaluating, honing their message and yes changing policy when it does not best serve the whole population is a sign of a healthy bureaucracy. They are doing what they believe is best for all. Now we can argue the "what they believe is best" point. That is fair. I just disagree with your basic premise. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:56 AM Flag
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amen. Admitting when you made a mistake, looking at data and finding a problem you didn't anticipate and making changes to address said problem are all signs of strength. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 07:59 AM Flag
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np again: That they are so transparent is one of their problems. I'd love to see the average UB/NY Schools poster after a day at the Buildings Dept. or trying to get a Liguor License. Their heads would explode. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 08:02 AM Flag
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I think people simply like to complain. I also think that many have a hard time dealing with the big picture. Nine out of ten posters on UB fall on the side of school issue that benefits only their family. Sib policy for example. It is rare to find a poster with an only that favors it, kwim. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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Completely. I was saying the other day that I wanted universal G&T testing because there are a lot of really bright kids with parents who are not in the loop (for whatever reason). It was like I was talking to a brick wall. (An ugly brick wall.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 08:13 AM Flag
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I'll discuss that with you. I can see the benefits of universal testing. DOE proposed it and I thought it was a good idea. As proposed they planned for a mini screening test and based on those results - a letter would be sent home and the parents would have to request the "real" g&t test to be administered. I also worry about a slight problem. I'm sure the posters on UB were not arguing this one, not the demographic - BUT - I do not believe in IQ testing all students. I do not trust any governmental agency to have this information and use it for only postitive reasons. Call me paranoid, but this country does not have a great history of serving certain populations and if it came down to it, and I were king - I would not allow mandatory IQ testing of all public school children. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 08:18 AM Flag
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... testing. (Anything after that?) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 08:36 AM Flag
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My reply: I would switch it: Screen and allow opt OUT. I want to make it harder for bright kids with crappy parents to fall through the cracks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 08:37 AM Flag
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They aren't crappy parents. Being un or ill informed about the g&t process (which changes year to year) doesn't make someone a crappy parent. As I said, I like the prescreening with an achievement test - and then the actual test if parents want, but not 100% IQ testing of children. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 08:55 AM Flag
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You are right, I was unfair. I had one parent in mind and lumped everyone together. I do also think that most of these instancese are about lack of info. mea culpa. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 09:53 AM Flag
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I knew I liked you :) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 10:45 AM Flag
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yeah, but on another post you are probably calling me "Asshole." (_)*(_) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 11:13 AM Flag
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What other post? BTW, I never call people names - try to set an example for the kid you know. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 11:38 AM Flag
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I was being sarcastic... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 11:55 AM Flag
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I actually think it is fair. A 99% is a 99%. Get over yourselves. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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I agree with your answer (albeit not your method.) The reality is that if the test maker (and the PhDs who developed it/normed it/etc.) Say this is a 99 and that is a 99, then for the end user to assign weights beyond that is dumb. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 08:16 AM Flag
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NP: The reality is that just last year, the DOE chose to distinguish scores using scaled scores. It's feasible to do that, they just choose not to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 12:10 PM Flag
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Maybe because there is no substantive difference between a DC who scored 35 and one who scored 40. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 12:36 PM Flag
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"I agree" poster: This assumes that the January with 9 wrong and the Dec with 2 wrong would have materially different scaled scores. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 12:55 PM Flag
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A January kid with 9 wrong would never be in the 99% to begin with. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.30.08, 12:11 PM Flag
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