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05.27.08, 12:10 PM General Topics
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My 15 your old twin sons took DH and my's credit card and charged over $2,000 in Internet porn to the card. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 05.27.08, 12:10 PM Flag
 

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kiddie porn? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:11 PM Flag
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no adult porn [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:11 PM Flag
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fake [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:13 PM Flag
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:13 PM Flag
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how so? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:14 PM Flag
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Well, if they are allowed to spend $2K on porn using their dad's credit card, then I am wrong. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:16 PM Flag
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they're allowed to spend their allowance on whatever they want. that was the deal, when they're older they'll do chores and earn it. but they're supposed to not use our credit cards [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:19 PM Flag
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:23 PM Flag
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np: You're a tool. Lots of teens have allowances, and getting one doesn't mean that they end up stealing credit cards. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:24 PM Flag
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15 y/o can get some jobs, but are having a very hard time getting them lately. They are competing against college kids, who are competing against adults, even for work as golf course groundskeepers, retail help and waiting tables (the sort of jobs we had as teenagers). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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i don't know where you live, but i worked at garden centers and horse farms at that age. the last thing i would do is have them earn it back out of YOUR pocket by working at home. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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They are going to do a little at home, since there is something we need done that we were going to hire someone to do for $300, but that the twins can do just as easily.....so they get a $300 credit [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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well, that is making it really easy on them. obviously, you're their parent and you know them. but i feel like there is a big lesson they need to learn [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:32 PM Flag
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Even that kind of work is almost impossible to get this year. The economy is forcing a lot of places to slow down or not hire at all, and if they are hiring, they are taking college students, not kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:31 PM Flag
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maybe they can work for neighbors. in any case, that is their problem, not yours. i would say that they could find jobs and pay you back by a specific date or get charged interest. otherwise, you're enabling them [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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we are figuring out that date.....trying to figure out a responsible date to use [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:37 PM Flag
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15yo is old enough to do chores! my 4yo does chores! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 02:19 PM Flag
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are they allowed to spend their allowance on porn? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 05:24 PM Flag
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I remember when my friend in high school got busted for charging several hundred dollars with one of those phone sex lines. It's a different world but teenage boys are still full of raging hormones. I would be very serious about the fact that they stole your credit card and charged this outrageous amount. What are you going to do? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:16 PM Flag
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we plan on grounding them big time.......and requiring chores to earn off some of the money and get jobs to help pay it off....also no more computers in their room, they must use it in the kitchen in front of everyone [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:23 PM Flag
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They can start mowing lawns and paying you back. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:17 PM Flag
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wow. they need to pay you back and you need to seriously ground them [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:18 PM Flag
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it is bad that the first thing that occurred to me was that they weren't smart enough to find free porn? and that twins beating off together to porn is gross? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:20 PM Flag
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OP: they said they used free porn first, but were looking for something more intense to look at [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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np; Yes, but that doesn't explain $2k of charges. I use internet porn, it's pretty cheap. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:26 PM Flag
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They apparently used it a lot and some really expensive sits [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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I bet you're going to discover that they were running a little business for their friends. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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doing what? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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Charging their friends money to see the porn they downloaded - look for an FTP site that they set up. I'm serious. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:31 PM Flag
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Yikes, how do I find out if they did this? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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Well, check to see if their computers have FTP software or they use content sharing websites. It's probably a good idea to have an expert look at their computers regardless. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:43 PM Flag
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DH is doing that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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^^Oh, and you should consider a therapist for them. Their lack of regard for you and DH is astounding, and they were acting in concert. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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SAve your money, and just give them a spanking. That would do the trick. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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I'm not sure a spanking would do the trick. I really think they have psychological issues. Maybe not sociopaths like poster below said, but the combination of them acting in concert and the sex angle is disturbing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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I will keep this in mind [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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Maybe if they had ever been subject to parental discipline in their lives, this would not have happened. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:35 PM Flag
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they have been subject to parental discipline [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:40 PM Flag
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Can't they get a date? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:26 PM Flag
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they have pretty active dating lives actually! They told DH that they are still virgins and needed something to help them along. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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$2K is a lot of help. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:37 PM Flag
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Yup. I'm shocked anyone's getting taken in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:41 PM Flag
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:37 PM Flag
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what do they have figured out? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:39 PM Flag
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I think that the whole "we're virgins and needed an outlet" is just to throw dh off the real issue which is that they stole your cc and spent a huge amt of money on porn. I think you are being too trusting considering the circumstances. I would assume the worst and let them earn back your trust and respect. Everyone makes mistakes but it sounds like they are playing you and dh like fiddles. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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DH was going to fall for that....espeically since DH was kinad geeky in high school so never got much action, etc. I had to convince DH not to fall for this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 01:00 PM Flag
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they said that to you? what little sociopaths you have there. boundaries much? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:31 PM Flag
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how are they sociopaths? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:35 PM Flag
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stealing from their parents, knowing they'd get caught and not caring, the fact that they did this together as a joint decision, the fact that it was something objectifying others...many many bad things going on there [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:37 PM Flag
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We have told them no giong out at night or weekends for the entire school year (except for a family wedding next weekend) and a 7PM curfew everyday for the summer, unless we give consent for a special event.....plus we've also said taht if they have their girlfreinds over, one of us has to be present and they have to be in a common room....and no alone time with the computer and no closed door to their room except if they are changing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:42 PM Flag
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It is wrong on many levels. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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so the charges are not yours and the kids are underage? I'm assuming you have informed the credit card company of this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:21 PM Flag
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:22 PM Flag
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I'm not suggesting the Credit card company is liable. I am saying that the porn company is. They are not allowed to sell their service to a 15 year old. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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the porn company shouldn't be allowed to sell their service to 15 yr olds, but the mother of said 15 yr olds shouldn't be letting her kids cruise for online porn. it's your responsibility to have blockers/net nanny, etc on your computer. don't blame the porn industry on your lack of boundaries... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 02:14 PM Flag
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I'm not absolving parents of responsibilities BUT I find it unrealistic to expect that parents have perfect control here. We hold liquor stores and grocers responsible for selling booze/cigarettes to minors. accepting that porn is not allowed to be sold to minors, why not those merchants too? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 03:13 PM Flag
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ita - the parents are ultimately liable, but it irks me that anyone can access this crap [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 03:24 PM Flag
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I don't care that anyone over 18 can. It is the access of the under 18 year olds I take issue with. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 03:30 PM Flag
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np. you think she wants to have her 15 year olds charged with credit card fraud? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:22 PM Flag
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I don't want to do that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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We are going to have them pay it back....some can be chores for us where they will earn credit....we decided against interest on paying it back....and yes their independence is scaled back big time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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and hopefully their internet access. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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yes we are scaling that back bigtime too....no more internet without supervision, etc....and monitoring of their IMs with friends [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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Why would they even get to im their friends and use the internet in front of you (unless it was school related)? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:41 PM Flag
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we wanted to be somewhat flexible on some things......trust me we will be monitoring very closely [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:46 PM Flag
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imo, the problem with the chores is that you are still out the money. it isn't as if they asked you ahead of time to borrow or earn the money. they stole it. why no interest? they should learn how credit card debt works. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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we are using the $300 to help with teh rest of the punishment....that if they violate certain things in a year period they have to pay back teh $300 doubled [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:33 PM Flag
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seriously, I would reconsider the whole chores for you thing. They really manipulated you and unless you can be really tough, this will be the easy way out for them. They will learn nothing from getting overpaid for doing a job they should probably be pitching in for anyways. Make them earn it the hard way with a job that pays minimum wage. They will think long and hard about stealing 2K again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:39 PM Flag
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The internet company is not allowed to sell that shit to your 15 yo kid. I would fight this. (It isn't like that company is out product. They'll roll over.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:36 PM Flag
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no, when you go to a porn site you can't see anything unless you say you are over 18...you're also not supposed to steal other people's credit cards to access it. they committed fraud and identity theft to buy the porn and the credit card companies will absolutely pursue charges if they're informed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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how come there is no "reply" to the post above "no, when you..." [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:43 PM Flag
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So there is no disincentive for porn sites to target kids. I mean they just made $2,000. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:47 PM Flag
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np: They didn't target them. The kids looked for the sites. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:48 PM Flag
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Sure. And Joe the Camel was just a caricature. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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There aren't billboards for porn sites. They require an item that only adults have - a credit card. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:52 PM Flag
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Considering how much more time kids/teens spend on the computer than driving, I think this answer is out dated. I remember a study the British version of the Consumer Protection Agency did. They looked at the top 25 (I'm making up the specifics for discussions sake) new phrases/searches among teenagers that year. Then they looked at the site names which were very similar which were registered that year. Over 25% of them were porn. (Two examples were Pokemon and My Little Plny...) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 03:20 PM Flag
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absolutely ITA, it's a different world now [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 03:28 PM Flag
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I'd beat them for paying for it. In this day and age that is just dumb. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 12:50 PM Flag
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You should make them sell some of their stuff to earn back the money. When they want new shoes,jeans, shirts, etc. take them to Target instead of where they normally go. Tell them you are saving that money to pay the bill. I bet they were using the porn sites where you basically "rent" a girl and she does whatever weird sexual things you ask. Sick. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 03:22 PM Flag
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np: aren't you going a bit far in your inflammation of OP. I mean, yeah, the kids are in big trouble. But now you're betting that they went to certain sick sites? Jeez. Pile on much? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.27.08, 07:34 PM Flag
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