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05.26.08, 06:21 AM NY Schools
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Also getting intimidated by reading poll. December DD is great with Math but not interested in trying to read. Has all the pre-reading skills but won't try. Hoping for Anderson....will she be far behind her classmates? She's already the younges. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
NY Schools 05.26.08, 06:21 AM Flag
 

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Once and for all, she will not be far behind her peers if she enters K not reading. Chill [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:22 AM Flag
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Just a thought, the person who keeps starting the reading posts is the same person who answers that their dc is reading (over and over again) in preschool. "I've got a bridge..." [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:23 AM Flag
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don't worry. she'll read when she's ready. also, her brain might be stronger in math & science. we all learned how to read. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:23 AM Flag
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I would have said don't worry about a thing except I read helicopter mom blog (seems that her son is at Anderson) and she said there were only 2 kids (including her son) who did not come into K reading or by the end of K and how her son who loved school ended up hating school... she said everyone tutored at home (parents or tutors) with phonics and drills and she was the only one who didn't know to do (downtown mom who sent dc to playbased prek)... [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:25 AM Flag
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General Topics 05.26.08, 06:26 AM Flag
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Yup, Younger Son is at LL and she is totally wrong about all the other parents tutoring. Very few came into K reading. Almost all left K reading and most parents did not provide tutoring. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:29 AM Flag
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np to add, one child came into K reading at our general ed, all the children could read by Jan. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:31 AM Flag
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Does your school teach Whole Language? She said LL taught WL or balanced literacy and it didn't work. Maybe your school teaches phonics and sight words together? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:36 AM Flag
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My school is a D2 general ed school. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:37 AM Flag
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My DC attended the same class as hers at LL, and yes, they do balanced literacy, hardly any could read entering K and most could read by end of K, and most parents did not provide any tutoring. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:22 AM Flag
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Is she a freak?? She said most parents tutored. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:24 AM Flag
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No, she's a very nice smart mom who really cares about her kids. Her child just learned differently at that age, and I guess he did need more explicit phonics instruction that the vast majority of the other kids at Lab, who did just fine with the reading program there and did not get explicit phonics instruction at home or at school. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:29 AM Flag
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np, is she a freak? mabye? or maybe just maybe she sent her dc to the wrong school. and maybe her stats for almost everyone aren't the same as yours. Its an anon blog. She can fudge, post whatever she wants. Her child did not thrive in progressive (hope he thrived in traditional). It means nothing to the overall picture. Its an anon blog. That's all. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:31 AM Flag
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General Topics 05.26.08, 06:28 AM Flag
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It broke my heart to read about her younger son, though. If I were in her shoes, I would drill phonics at home like she did as well... As for older son, I don't know why the husband and she had to help him with NEST midterm prep - isn't it the kid's responsibility? It was as if they were doing everything for him. Is that typical?? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:32 AM Flag
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What? Every parent makes the decision as to how involved in homework they will be. It varies by household and by age. In practically every class in every school you will find a family that leaves it completely up to the child and one that does the reasearch and types the papers for the child. No such thing as "typical" [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:35 AM Flag
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I'm just freaked. My parents didn't even ask me if I had any homework. They were immigrants trying to put food on the table and I didn't know some parents are so involved... (too much if you ask me but maybe she had to bec NEST is too rigorous?) My dc is young and people told me that the parents at Hunter/Anderson/privates, etc. are doing the homework for their kids and I didn't believe them. Thought it was hyperbole... but it does look like there are more parents like helicopter mom... I can't remember anything from school and not sure if I could help dc even if I wanted.. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:44 AM Flag
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You know what, don't freak. Live your life, make your own choices and put a healthy productive member of society in the world in 20 years. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 07:13 AM Flag
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I am sure you could help in the early grades. And honestly, Dec bday is a disadvantage even if people want to sugar coat it. But see what happens, odds are if your dc gets in it will be fine. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:15 PM Flag
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She posts that her son at NEST was able to work independently by 8th grade and blames his elementary school for not preparing him earlier (e.g. no formal grammar or punctuation, the last half of 5th grade devoted to a play). [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:49 AM Flag
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If his elementary school sucked so badly, how on earth did the child test into NEST? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 01:26 PM Flag
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Until this past year, when NEST had its first 5th grade class, the school admitted a whole grade for middle school. NEST started about 6 years ago with a class in each division (K, 5th and 9th grades) and added an entire new grade to replace this group as they moved up. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 03:02 PM Flag
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But they had very specific testing. And to enter, the child had to score high enough. It was not first come first serve. Obviously the child learned something in elementary. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:18 PM Flag
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only 1-2 kids were reading on entry at anderson this year. some are still struggling. even some of the later birthdays. why do people like you worry about this stuff? seriously need to get a grip [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:42 AM Flag
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Cut her some slack. She doesn't have the same info you have. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:50 AM Flag
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If your child struggled with reading at the end of K would you worry? I have friends who refused to worry and told others to get a grip and then sat back while the problem grew and grew. And kids feel something in school. They know when they are last to read. There's nothing wrong with helping a child. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:03 AM Flag
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NP, no, I would not worry if my child could not read by the end of K. I would think about it if my child could not read by the END of first. There are many ways to "help" a child. One being, you show them that reading is not the end all and be all of life. That everyone struggles with something at times in their life and that reading will come to them and there are some choices as to how best to make that happen. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:10 AM Flag
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Not reading until the end of 1st in my dd's public school would seriously affect the child. They read to negotiate everything in their day. I agree that kids should be left alone but in reality they are not. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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"seriously affect the child"? Example? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:22 AM Flag
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My bf's child in 1st and is not reading. He's pulled out, he's in the recovery program, he's upset all the time over his lack of reading. They are expected to read in the classroom as the day goes on, it's so hard for him and he's getting depressed. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:28 AM Flag
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That would be a problem on the part of the school and the parents. Depression is not caused by reading or not. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:34 AM Flag
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How would you know what can cause a child pain? Who do you think you are? Do you not understand that children are people and if they are pressured to do something they cannot do it can make them feel hopeless? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:38 AM Flag
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Depression is not "pain". It is a mental illness. I simply responded to what you wrote. And feelings of hopelessness are different from pain and depression. My response was that the parents and the school were creating the problem. Almost exactly what you are now saying - that the PRESSURE TO DO SOMETHING THE CHILD CAN'T DO is the problem. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:44 AM Flag
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Yes, that's what I was saying. There is pressure to read and that can seriously affect a child. Depression is a feeling of hopelessness. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:47 AM Flag
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then it only makes sense for the schools and the parents to stop the pressure and understand that reading is not important in K (or even first grade for that matter). Children haven't changed. Crazed parents with unrealistic expectations have. There is nothing wrong with a child who cannot read in first grade and they shouldn't be treated as if there is. Problem solved. But LOOK at this board! The adults have the problem, not the children [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:59 AM Flag
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It's the schools who put the pressure on the parents. I've at least witnessed school pressure and not crzed parents. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 09:01 AM Flag
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It goes both ways. I've seen it the other way around too. A mom in prek! demanding that the teacher start working on readding skills. The parents blame the schools, the schools blame the parents - same on the homework issue. Hopefully, reason will prevail at some point and both "sides" will come together for the sake of our children. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 09:06 AM Flag
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Reading by the end of K is NOT a requirement at ANY NYC general ed school. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:24 AM Flag
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We're talking about the end of 1st. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:26 AM Flag
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I don't believe you are held back if you can't read by the end of first either. I will check. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:29 AM Flag
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Are you a public mom? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:32 AM Flag
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yes [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:35 AM Flag
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My guess is that you have a child who reads easily, so no mtgs with social workers and principals or letters about being retained. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:48 AM Flag
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I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying. Are parents with children who are slow readers only allowed to know something about the reading requirements in public schools? Or are they the only ones who are allowed to post the information they happen to know about reading thru t heir job or otherwise? I honetsly don't get your point? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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No, parents of slow readers are not the only ones allowed to know about reading requirements. Was that what I said? I can only think that you have a child who did not have a serious struggle because if you did you would be familiar with the requirements. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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I am familiar with the requirements. What makes you think I am not? Are you the mom with a child at a school that fails K students for not being able to read? Which one? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 01:18 PM Flag
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You're a bully. There are moms who have had to struggle to help their kids and who have been upset by the retention letter. Have some feeling and stop insisting it doesn't happen to people. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 03:07 PM Flag
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I've been watching this post, and you know what - I would like for the poster to say what school. I think when you come here and insist there is a rule that a child is held back in K if they can't read, you should be able to show some sort of back up. And so far, all the poster has done is avoid the issue. No one is a bully simply by asking her to name the school. That is outrageous. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:12 PM Flag
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If you are talking about yourself, I am sincerely sorry your child struggled to read in K. But, I maintain, your child could not be held back for that reason alone. I don't know if you are the poster who mentioned speaking with the principal and social workers or not (I get confused trying to follow the new format), but social workers don't deal with reading issues. If they are brought it, it is for other issues as well. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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What does feeling have to do with it? She only asked you to say the school. Why are you refusing. It makes it look like you hedged a little. Why not just say it? You've got me curious and I don't care if my kid reads in K or not, lol [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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In my dd's gen ed they are tested at the end of K for reading to pass to 1st. I forget what the test is called, but I do think all the schools do the same. Neighbors ds was retained in k last year for no reading at whatever level was expected of him. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:29 AM Flag
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K is NOT required in NYC. Therefore, reading by the end of K is NOT a requirement to enter first grade. While your friends dc may have been held back - not reading was not the reason, no matter what she told you [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:38 AM Flag
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I guess you really think you are right, but there is a level of reading that is expected at the end of K. The fact that K is not required is not factored in once you are in the system. My friend didn't lie to me. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:40 AM Flag
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I am correct. You are not held back from first grade based on not reading. It is not an opinion, it is a fact. A fact that is easily confirmed by anyone wishing to. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:48 AM Flag
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You're not in my dd's school. They send a letter and I did read my neighbors letter. If you have not struggled with this you may not know about it, but it is true and there is a test at the end of K and the end of 1st. this is for zoned gen ed school. I can't speak for other schools. They takes this test in the beginning and end of every year. there is a letter that goes out to parents of kids who score too low at the end of the year. The letter is very clear. I've seen it. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 08:52 AM Flag
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OK, post the school and I will follow up and post back. Lets find out the real answer. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 09:09 AM Flag
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the real answer? How will you follow up? Your school really does not have the reading assesmant test? Post your school! what is your point anyway? That public schools don't push reading? That there are in fact no requirements before 2nd grade? Do you believe in the reading recovery program? Does that exist at your public? What is your point anyway? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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You are fudging. I will follow up by contacting the principal of the school and asking if a child is held back in K for the sole reason that they do not know how to read. Now, what school fails children for this reason alone? Why won't you answer? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 01:11 PM Flag
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I'm going to answer the question you asked me, even tho you won't post the name of the school that you claim fails K students for reading. Yes, our K and first grade classes have assesments in reading. Not only at the end of the year, but throughout the year. My point is that you are stating incorrect information about nyc public school reading requirements for K students and I think parents should know the facts. Yes, public schools push reading early. No, you do not have to be reading to enter first grade (no matter what you say) in nyc public schools. Yes, I think reading recovery is a good thing if used properly. I also believe it is used to quick in many cases and if it is creating a problem for the child can be administered in a different setting than pullout during the school day. Yes, reading recovery exists at all nyc public schools mine included. And once again, my point is YOU DO NOT NEED TO KNOW HOW TO READ TO ENTER FIRST GRADE IN NYC PUBLIC SCHOOLS. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 01:16 PM Flag
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forgot - what is your point? IF your school fails students for this, post it. We should know the truth - shouldn't we? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 01:17 PM Flag
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another way, before school, after school etc. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 02:10 PM Flag
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I'm not answering because you are a bully. You want to be right and I have no idea why. I guess at your school you can pass to first and then to 2nd with no reading skill. You want me to be wrong more than you want readers to know the truth. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 03:03 PM Flag
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oh for crying out loud. Just tell us the school? What have you got to hide? You said you saw the letter yourself. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:08 PM Flag
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I want the truth. Can you help? I don't believe that nyc general ed publics get to make up their own rules about this. there are set standards. What school does your child attend? Is it a charter? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:10 PM Flag
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np: They may not get to make up standards, but a child still not reading at this point in first grade would be in serious trouble. My dc is in first grade and by now almost all kids are reading serious chapter books. There are a couple who are behind, reading but not all that well yet and they are working hard to catch up. Any child not reading at all at this point would be at big disadvantage. They have done several research projects already, how could kids do them if they could not read? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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I am talking to a poster who insists a child not reading by the end of K is held back. While I agree with what you said - the other poster is simply wrong. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:21 PM Flag
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I agree with you that they would not recommend it just for reading issue, but that combined with other issues like maturity could be enough for a recommendation, or discussion on the subject with parents in any case. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:23 PM Flag
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Absoulutely! However, above poster refuses to entertain or back down from her statement that her "friend/neighbor" child's was held back in K based only on the fact s/he couldn't read. Its silly actually. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:28 PM Flag
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I don't want to be right, I AM right. Reading is simply NOT a requirement to enter first grade. You can muddy the issue any way you wish, but the fact remains. And you simply refuse to supply any information to help get to the bottom of it. Either your school does or doesn't hold children back and it can be confirmed with one phone call. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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np: Almost every Manhattan public does hold children back. Parents can fight it (or fight for it as it happens), but it is a quite common fact. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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you misunderstood, of course they hold children back. The issue at hand is DO THEY HOLD A K CHILD BACK BASED SOLEY ON THE FACT THAT THE CHILD IS NOT READING BY THE END OF K. Sorry for the caps, but trying to make sure the issue is clear and easy to understand. BTW, they don't. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 06:23 PM Flag
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Also in my school the rdg assesment throughout the year is different than the one at the end of the year. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.26.08, 03:04 PM Flag
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My DD is not reading (99 OLSAT/November B day) not interested and I am not going to ruin her summer by forcing her to do something she isn't into yet. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.27.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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Mine either. She has all the skills but just likes to be read to. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.27.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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Exactly, let them enjoy being read to. They will learn reading soon enough. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 05.27.08, 01:47 PM Flag
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