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05.22.08, 10:27 AM General Topics
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sigh..early puberty is NOT from non-organic milk [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 05.22.08, 10:27 AM Flag
 

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Why sigh? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:28 AM Flag
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because that subject comes up ALL the time here..in earlier post today [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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A substance given to cows to increase milk production, called recombinant bovine growth hormone, became a prime suspect. But Dr. Paul Kaplowitz, the author of "Early Puberty in Girls," said that the hormone, if it did make its way into milk, would have no effect. It must be injected, not digested, he said. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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So what does he think causes early puberty? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:30 AM Flag
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A study published in 2001, led by Dr. Kaplowitz, showed that girls who developed sooner tended to have higher body-mass indexes. It also said that the findings of the early puberty study coincided with a rise in nationwide rates of obesity. THE BOTTOM LINE - Bovine growth hormones are not connected to the early onset of puberty in girls. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:31 AM Flag
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my sisters had early puberty but were skinny [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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during the non growth hormone era [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:43 AM Flag
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when did the era begin? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:46 AM Flag
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a student I worked with also had early puberty and so skinny [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:46 AM Flag
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Do you know when the student's mother first got her period? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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I agree and I've said that on UB over & over again. Early puberty has to do with weight, race, genetics mostly [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:33 AM Flag
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so how does one explain the general rise in early puberty? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:40 AM Flag
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np: I am going to go out on a limb and say it is correlated to the rise in obesity [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:41 AM Flag
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and so how do you explain the rise of early puberty in all the non-obese children who have early puberty? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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she also said race and genetics; if it's not a high bmi, it's one of those [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:45 AM Flag
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right but race and genetics have been around a long time. What explains the "rise"of early puberty? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:50 AM Flag
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np: I'd honestly like to see a very long term, multi generational study of menarche ages. My grandmother got her period at age 9. I doubt there was race specific studies done in the 1920's or earlier of menarche. Also, you have to remember that many kids are much better nourished these days than in the past, and that can contribute to earlier menarche. It's not just obesity, it's better nutrition over all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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They've seen early puberty in girls who had been adopted internationally too. Its not due to obesity. Maybe tied to sudden better nutrition and rapid growth right after adoption. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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it can be however, not solely - geez can ppl read? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:45 AM Flag
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Duh, Im just adding another angle- nutrition [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:48 AM Flag
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There's also a study which said that girls who live with non-related males have early onset of puberty. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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In the US, a lot of researchers think it is big rise in Hispanic population, since Hispanic girls tend to get their periods earlier. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:51 AM Flag
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fatness causes it, bluntly put [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:41 AM Flag
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and what causes fatness? drinking milk? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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So if early puberty is caused by obesity or greater body mass, and we are pumping cows full of growth hormones and eating their meat and drinking their milk, there is absolutely no link? I wonder if the milk industry really expects us to trust their studies that say there is no link. Well, at least we have the FDA to tell us the truth. Oh, hey no. Not so much, since they are controlled by the industries they are supposed to regulate. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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I have read that homogenized milk is another reason for childhood obesity in this country. It's the milk equivalent of transfats in our bodies - they break up the fat molecules to keep the milk from separating into cream and skim. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:57 AM Flag
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there is no way that our bodies do well with the amount of dairy, refined sugar and transfats that most people are getting now [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:02 AM Flag
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True. But I can barely afford organic milk these days, no way can I afford to feed two kids Ronnybrook milk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:03 AM Flag
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maybe we should just cut down on milk [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:06 AM Flag
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Maybe. But I thought that people drank more milk in say the 40s and 50s than they do now (because milk was much cheaper than meat at the time). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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I think if you looked at the diets of people in the 40's and 50's it would be so much healthier than what we eat now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:09 AM Flag
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I think you have no idea of knowing what the average person from all socioeconomic classes ate, nor does there a exist a comprehensive race/class study of menarche from those time periods. You are just spouting off opinions that have no factual basis. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:14 AM Flag
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oh, okay. There is no way of knowing that they didn't eat a bunch of processed foods? You don't think I know what kind of foods my grandmothers cooked? How they ate from their own gardens? Alright then. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:17 AM Flag
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My grandmother served only vegetables from cans, because she thought it was more "hygienic," just like the TV ads told her. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:18 AM Flag
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not mine. And there was a time before canning too. Our diets have changed enormously in the last 100 years, in some ways better, in some ways much worse. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:20 AM Flag
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But you were talking like everyone was like your grandmothers. They weren't. Some people were really into prepared foods, it was a sign of progress and prosperity. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:22 AM Flag
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Well, now you are looking from the perspective of someone w/ a frezzer and fresh veggies available all the time. Canning was great, people could have veggies in the winter. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:20 AM Flag
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Alrighty then. You don't know that the average person did or didn't get enough protein, was weaned off milk and given rice way too early as an infant, never ate meat, WHATEVER. Great that your grandma had her own garden, mine lived in the inner city, and left school at 11 to earn $ for her family. Oh, and got her period at age 9. You get me the studies and spare me the stories of grandma's vegetable garden. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:19 AM Flag
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get your own studies. My grandmother was one of 13 children from a farm family in Oklahoma who ended up in NYC raising 4 children on her own. And she did end up with her own garden in the end. Do you really think the refined sugar, transfats, and tons of dairy are good for us? How about using your common sense? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:23 AM Flag
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there are lots of other ways to get the nutrients you get from milk. You don't need to drink a lot of milk [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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true [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:13 AM Flag
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OTOH I think it's the organic folks who are pushing the notion of early puberty being caused by the non-organic milk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 10:57 AM Flag
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what do you think is causing it? Do you want your kids full of bovine growth hormone? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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