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09.03.19, 16:52 PM General Topics
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we moved to the burbs over the summer and today was my kids first day of school. his classroom has like 20 kids and 3 teachers and my mom (a teacher) is freaking out cause she thinks it’s an ict classroom. is there anyway to tell besides asking the teacher and anyway to get him out of that classroom without looking completely awful? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 09.03.19, 04:52 PM Flag
 

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Why would that make your mom freak out? My DC was in two ICT rooms - both were great (and she is top student in her grade). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 04:55 PM Flag
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Why is your mom freaking out? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 04:57 PM Flag
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First of all, you can quite frankly ask the teacher if it's an ICT classroom, you have every right to know. And secondly, there are tons of benefits to being in ICT even if your kid doesn't have an IEP. My DC has been in ICT and it was a great experience. And by the way, my mom is a teacher too and in her opinion ICT was great for my dc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:04 PM Flag
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no. You're awful. Inclusion is part of our school culture now. Deal with it. Your kid will be fine. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:05 PM Flag
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You sound like an asshole and your mom sounds like an asshole. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:05 PM Flag
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THIS [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:30 PM Flag
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She doesn’t want her child to be a crutch for other kids. She is not an asshole. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:11 PM Flag
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“A crutch”. If the kid is anything like the mom, I wouldn’t worry that others will seek her out as an example. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:13 PM Flag
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Her child will not be challenged this year and her teacher Mom is just being honest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:20 PM Flag
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That is absolute bs. if my kid was in public he'd be in an ICT classroom but he also got into G&T (we didn't go). ICT is not for 'stupid' kids it's for kids who oftentimes are even smarter but just need a little more attn. Agree op seems not smart herself. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:38 PM Flag
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exactly. many kids in G&T can also have an IEP. my dc was never in an ICT classroom because dc did dual language, but tons of my friends' kids were and they all loved it. one df's kid was in an ICT 6th grade classroom and really benefitted from the 2 teacher set up and df said that her dd had her best academic year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 11:27 PM Flag
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Particularly with the "OMG!!! An inclusion class, how did this happen?" You didn't know this was a possibility? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 12:38 AM Flag
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What? they put the smartest kids in the ICT class [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 01:32 AM Flag
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Oh, this! She wanted her child to be challenged so she moved to...a suburb in Long Island. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 02:33 AM Flag
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THIS!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 07:17 AM Flag
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Why would you NOT want him in a class with three teachers? That’s basically a private school teacher-to-student ration, which is presumably what you couldn’t afford in the city. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:06 PM Flag
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This [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:08 PM Flag
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+1 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:08 PM Flag
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No. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:20 PM Flag
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But yes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 02:33 AM Flag
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Your mom needs to stay in her lane. And you need to talk to the teacher and ask about the class and listen to the teacher. Your mom's ideas are really outdated and she isn't helping you here [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:07 PM Flag
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March directly up to the principal and loudly demand that your child be removed immediately. Definitely the way to go. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:07 PM Flag
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haha...yes, you are THAT parent already! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 01:32 AM Flag
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ily [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 02:34 AM Flag
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Are you in CT? We have it in all k-8 classes in our shoreline town. Typically one head teacher, a para-professional and if there are special needs kids they each get their own 'helper teacher'. While personally I'm not into inclusion in the classroom, my DC and friends don't have any issues with it. They know who the kids are that need extra help and it's been fine....meaning it bothers no one, they know everyone has their own struggles and sometimes you need some extra support and that's ok. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:12 PM Flag
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no we are in long island but thanks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:13 PM Flag
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YW! My mom is a retired teacher too. She is usually appalled when hearing how things are done now...lowering the benchmark, etc, so I totally get where you're coming from. Hope your DC has a great day & year! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:18 PM Flag
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How is an ICT class lowering the benchmark? Your ignorance is showing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:32 PM Flag
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I don't know if this is every ICT classroom, but for my DD, the classroom was barren (as to not be over-stimulating to the special ed students), the bench marks were low . . . for example, Numbers from 1-20 ( a pre-k benchmark) were displayed instead of 1-100 as in other classrooms. Teacher did have any heightened expectations in reading, math. Sucked. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:36 PM Flag
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^^ DID NOT ^^ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:36 PM Flag
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Yeah, that doesn't sound like a typical ICT class. Weird. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:43 PM Flag
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Thinking it was just this teacher/classroom . . . [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:46 PM Flag
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Probably and honestly, there are some SN kids that the parents and school push to place in an ICT and they are not ready for it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:48 PM Flag
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Agree. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:21 PM Flag
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My experience is that the parents often want the dc in the smaller 1:6 or 1:12 classes and the school doesn't want to do it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 12:37 AM Flag
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It is! The classes are slower and the NT kids are completely distracted and side tracked Bc of the kids who need help. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:13 PM Flag
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I threw a stink for this reason. Principal did not change my DD's classroom. She remained in ICT. Felt the benchmarks were VERY LOW compared to the other K classrooms . . . comparative to my DS, who had a different teacher afterwards, my instincts were correct. They tried to sell me on the theory that the teacher would differentiate, but she didn't. Low standards across the board. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:32 PM Flag
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Not our experience in NYC [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:44 PM Flag
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Nest poster: my dc was in ICT (CTT) Class in 4th grade and it was the best year of elementary school. The standards were extremely high. I was pleasantly surprised [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:53 PM Flag
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Next. Not nest [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:53 PM Flag
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Agreed, NYC different experience. My kids thrived in ICT classes and had a great experience. They got to help out the other kids which truly taught them to be a leader, taught them empathy and actually reinforced the materials. Also, they didn't even know which kids had IEP and no one cared. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 01:35 AM Flag
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I agree. My kid was behind Bc the benchmarks are so low. The principals will not move your child out Bc they need her there. It’s not good for kids who do not need help, it is a waste of a year for them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:14 PM Flag
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This was mu child' experience as well. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 08:16 PM Flag
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^^my child's^^ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 08:16 PM Flag
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The ICT classroom is generally a plus. We had a bad experience b/c the Gen Ed teacher in the ICT class SUCKED. Meanwhile, the Special Ed teacher was phenomenal. The other assistants in the class were all wonderful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:18 PM Flag
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Ask, “why are there so many adults in our class and not the other k classrooms” if you want to try and hide your motivation (good luck on that front) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:20 PM Flag
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PP. Just ask upfront. The principal told me that they are only supposed to place your child in ICT one time per school by law. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:28 PM Flag
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^^^I'm a different PP. We only have 3 classrooms per grade so I can't figure out how only once in ICT is going to work for us. And truthfully, it's fine with me if my dc is in ICT more than once in the 7 years she'll be at our elementary school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:38 PM Flag
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For many, it's fine. We just happened to get a lazy teacher who was phoning it in and doing the BARE minimum . . . maybe even hiding behind the ICT designation to avoid doing ANYTHING outside of the bare bones curriculum. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:42 PM Flag
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I think that's the key. If you have two terrific teachers, you will think it is a good experience. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:45 PM Flag
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We had that last year. Dc's teacher was planning her wedding ( taking place three days after end of the school year) and while my DC could tell me everything about the teacher's wedding planning, bridal showers and hen party, there wasn't much academic stuff going on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:48 PM Flag
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That was my dd's K teacher (not ICT though) several years ago. She was getting married, finishing her master's and she was a new hire. She was terrible - so distracted and couldn't handle the kids. So annoying. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:53 PM Flag
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Our school also has 3 classes per grade so on average every DC will be in ICT 2 or 3 times [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 08:49 PM Flag
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That is not a law. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 09:05 PM Flag
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In NYC ICT classes half the kids have an IEP and half don't. Many of the IEPs are for things like handwriting and other non disruptive conditions. Your kid has not been dumped in special ed and will probably get lots of individual attention because of the 3 teachers. When you go to pickup see if you can even tell which kids have IEPs. BTW every typical DC in the school will spend a couple of years in the ICT class. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 05:38 PM Flag
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Likely ICT. And if you mention or question it you become the devil. My kid was in a class 2 years in a row and it was a fkn disaster for us. He is a different child now that he has been out of those classes. It’s very stressful for some kids to deal with all of the behavioral issues and the class progress is slower. The extra teachers are there for the children with issues, not yours. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:10 PM Flag
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Newsflash: you are awful. Most public’s in the tristate area have ICT classes which means that most every kid will be in one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:17 PM Flag
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Why is she awful? Maybe she doesn't want her DD to participate in this kind of government approach to "equal" education. This is not awful it is what is in the best interest of her kid not yours. The DOE aren't doing this to help the SN kids at all, it is to save money on special ed teachers and programs. NYC public schools have sucked at least for the almost 50 years I've been on the planet as a native New Yorker. This is just the way it is when you have such a high density of people in a tiny place where everyone on the planet wants to visit at least once. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:36 PM Flag
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so you think SN kids should all go to their own school? that would be a better approach? Geez this post is bringing out the trolls. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 06:40 PM Flag
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I'm not a troll and if you want to be obtuse that is fine. I'm saying parents should be able to opt out of their children being an anchor for another student regardless of academic ability. The problem now has become if your child is maybe more advanced or needs more challenging material that child doesn't get the enrichment *they* need to thrive. It is as if now having a child who is special needs in terms of more stimulation or enrichment that kids' parents have to expend the resources for that. I have three boys and they have been to schools in multiple states and the older two attended Catholic school in another country so we've seen many other models that work more efficiently. YMMV [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 07:04 PM Flag
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Do tell. Share your wisdom on the "best approach." [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 07:08 PM Flag
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Whatever is in the best interest of the child being educated of course. This is usually determined by the parents, teachers and in some cases, yes, grandma! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 07:19 PM Flag
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^^ literally Montessori if you really want to know. The banking model as described by Paolo Freire in Pedagogy of the Oppressed has been dominant in our culture for way too long. I hope that helps. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 07:23 PM Flag
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You are dumb, dumb, dumb. MANY of not MOST public schools don’t cater to an individual kid’s needs, ICT or not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 02:43 AM Flag
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This. If you want individualized attention, pay for private school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 02:44 AM Flag
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Now that's real bullshit! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 02:46 PM Flag
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Actually no, move to a public school in a suburb with high property taxes! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 02:48 PM Flag
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**if not most [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 02:44 AM Flag
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Yes ! Singapore does it very well ! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.07.19, 02:28 PM Flag
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The kids in ICT generally aren’t special needs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 09:01 PM Flag
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You and your mom should be ashamed of yourselves. Count this as a blessing that your dc will at least learn to be compassionate from this experience. He is definitely not going to learn that at home. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 08:05 PM Flag
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My kid was in ICT as a NT. Was already empathetic. Didn't need to miss out a year being academically challenged to learn something she already knows. We have a DC in our family with Down Syndrome. She's great with her! The ICT class sucked. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 08:21 PM Flag
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Well, I hope your kid is slightly more empathetic than you are. Wouldn't be difficult. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 08:09 AM Flag
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Agreed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 01:21 AM Flag
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We had a similar experience. I discovered that the PTA moms kids got the best teachers. My kid was put into ict class. She was very upset bc the class was babied. We ended up moving our kids to Horace mann [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.03.19, 09:29 PM Flag
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My kids have been in ICT classes in NYC public schools. It's been fine. You WILL look awful if you try to have him removed before anything goes wrong (which it likely won't). Because it is an awful thing to do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 12:33 AM Flag
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No, there is no way to not look awful, when you and your mom ARE awful. What's wrong with being in the ICT class? My daughter was in the ICT class twice because she was advanced academically, socially and was very independent and didn't need the help of the teachers allowing them to pay more attention to the kids that needed extra help. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 01:21 AM Flag
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Disgusting. If you don't want him in that class, pay for private. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 01:23 AM Flag
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This has to be a fake post. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 01:24 AM Flag
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This is why I think Long Island is disgusting. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 02:46 AM Flag
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I may know you from the info on this thread. I hope you aren't who I am thinking of because as a mom of a child with an IEP this is like a knife in the heart. This isn't the dark ages. Kids benefit from inclusion and that includes kids without need for an IEP. The kids with IEPs have a teacher dedicated to them in the class. Your child will not suffer from ICT. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.04.19, 07:25 AM Flag
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Your kid needs the inclusion class more than the kids with IEPs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.07.19, 03:06 PM Flag
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