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07.27.08, 04:55 AM NY Schools
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This is just my experience but in my elem school, the kids who were in the top of the class/grade were kids whose sahm's worked with them all the time. But in MS, these kids fell to the middle of the pack and the ones who became top of the class weren't kids (except one or two) who were the best students in Elem school. I wonder if this will be true nowadays and in NY... [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
NY Schools 07.27.08, 04:55 AM Flag
 

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of course its true. Except for the children who have "tutors" writing their papers and parents doing the projects. If the teachers are too clueless to realize... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 04:57 AM Flag
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But even if their homework gets better grades, if they do poorly on tests, it will be telling, no? Can tutors turn slow kids into smart kids? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 05:09 AM Flag
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Trust me--teachers always know when the parents are doing the work. Personally, I have switched to giving a lot of in-class essays instead of take-home b/c of these "helicopter" parents. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 08:07 AM Flag
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I think the best term is hot house parents. Those parents who manipulate the environment to ensure the fastest yield. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 11:15 AM Flag
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I'm glad you realize what's going on, there are a number of teachers who do not. I think its easy to fall into the trap of having it LOOK like you are an excellent teacher because your students are doing such advanced work - when you really know the truth but do nothing about it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 11:51 AM Flag
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Why would it be any different depending on geographic location? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 05:17 AM Flag
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What is the point of this post.. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 05:18 AM Flag
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What is the post of any other UB post? This is where we think out aloud and just see what others think. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 05:21 AM Flag
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Ok then what is your line of thinking here. Not flaming trying to figure out what this means or what difference it makes who ends up where and why [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 05:27 AM Flag
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Wondering how meaningful is the early childhood enrichment and parental intervention in the early years (not the general kind but the helicopter-mom'ish involvement).. I have not enrolled dc in various classes, haven't done any flashcard/workbooks, etc. Because I thought it won't make a difference. Just had dc play whatever she likes. Figured smart and motivated kids will rise eventually on their own w/ or w/o helicopter moms... but then, maybe I'm naive and my experience is not relevant in hypercompetitive NYC...? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 05:39 AM Flag
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>below poster who works with her 4yo with math workbooks (even if dd likes them, sounded weird to me.. to do workbooks at 4yo). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 05:41 AM Flag
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np: that's my philosophy too (and not in NYC, but we do have some of those pressures where we are). Almost all the kids in DS's class have SAHMs--and what I noticed is that the ones already reading and excelling were mostly the older girls. I don't think you can make them read or do academics sooner than they're ready too. I would do workbooks or that sort of thing if my kid wanted to--but mostly I read a lot of books to him (DD too, but she's 2.5) and then give him opportunities to learn about the things that interest him. We'll see how it plays out. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:18 AM Flag
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I heard some people enroll their kids in a math class for their 2yo's. I thought that was crazy but then, maybe in NYC, that's what people do... I think I'm definitely in the minority here bec I don't want dc to grow up too fast. Dc will have to study so hard in HS or college (or in MS, yikes) - I want dc to play in LS and under... but I don't know... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:26 AM Flag
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nnp - I have NEVER heard of math classes for 2 year olds. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:39 AM Flag
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^^^In NYC, that is. I can't speak for other places. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:40 AM Flag
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Sadly, I have. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:41 AM Flag
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Where are the classes? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:43 AM Flag
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Don't know but friend told me some people organized a class. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:47 AM Flag
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What area of town? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:48 AM Flag
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Manhattan. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:49 AM Flag
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>I think UWS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:49 AM Flag
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Can you ask your friend about it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:51 AM Flag
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About what? Or are you interested in enrolling your 2yo? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:54 AM Flag
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No, my kids are older already. I'm curious about it - what they would do with 2 yr olds, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:56 AM Flag
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Oh, right. I will ask but what can they do except count to 10 and try to ask if they have one or two apples in their hands? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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ITA. This is such a dumb post. I know many children - my family included who did not have any help etc. but are very bright and excelled all the way. Sounds like someone is feeling guilty about being a working my here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 08:10 AM Flag
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That was not my experience here [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 05:21 AM Flag
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On 5th grade parent visiting day at my dc's school, the math teacher gave the kids and their parents a tough brain teaser problem, with the answer due the next day. I wondered at the time if it was a way for him to find out which parents could help their kids and which could not. By 5th grade, my observation is that some parents (especially moms) can no longer help with math and science homework. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:20 AM Flag
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You mean, parents can't do 5th grade math? Can't believe that is true. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:23 AM Flag
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What I see is that dads are more likely to help with math --topics include area of trapezoids and polygons, order of operations, graphing in the coordinate plane (this last one was 6th grade). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:31 AM Flag
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I took engineering math in college (calculus in HS). I figured I should be able to help all the way through 12th grade. But I did forget everthing. Maybe I couldn't help dc, either... This is very sad. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:34 AM Flag
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Luckily my child has good textbooks (Prentice Hall). I just read the chapter first. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 07:54 AM Flag
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No, I have never noticed that in NYC, at least among kids in the G&T system. The kids in the older elementary grades who were the top students did not necessarily have SAHMs. And generally, they're the ones who went to the selective MS and then to selective HSs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:43 AM Flag
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Well, where I grew up, we didn't have G&T program. Just very good gen eds. So everyone got the same education but maybe that's why. Or maybe bec MS got very science and math heavy. Kids who got tutored by mom in LS in reading or history couldn't do higher level math, physics in MS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:46 AM Flag
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But of course, there are also excellent students in English and social studies and art and music - I don't consider top students just the ones who do well in calc and physics. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:50 AM Flag
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Grades got weighted more by math and science. As it turned out in my school anyway, those who were good in math and science were also good in other subjects but those who were good in social science/language weren't necessarily good in math and science. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:56 AM Flag
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I did really well in elementary school, but my SAHM was hanging out and dancing around to her Neil Diamond records all day, rather than "working with me". She was happy, I was happy, did well in school, no helicoptering . . . .it worked. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 07:57 AM Flag
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Oh my God, that's my mom. She's a Big Neil freak. She was doing that or watching Jack Lalane and exercising along. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 08:43 AM Flag
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I should have added that - the whole Jane Fonda program, with the leg warmers too (that came a little later i suppose). She was very busy with that while I was toiling on my homework . . . . [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 08:53 AM Flag
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You're bringing back some memories here for me too. It's making me think about how much my parents did or didn't do with me. A lot of times, there would be an activity I was interested in doing and they didn't just jump to it to make it easy for me. I'd have to work out carpool on my own. Or earn the money to enter my pet in a contest, or buy a costume for whatever thing. Something to think about for sure. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 08:58 AM Flag
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I'm not in NYC but I do see that some kids fall back. The same is true in sports. Not all kids do though. It just depends on the natural talent and level of interest of the kid. Lots of kids slip in middle school because of adolescent insanity as well. It would be interesting to track them into high school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 11:20 AM Flag
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