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07.24.08, 20:15 PM NY Schools
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Wishing HCHS would post their 2008-09 admissions cutoff. Too hard to calculate a number for 90th percentile with this year's bizarre testing outcomes. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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what was bizarre about the testing outcomes? Is this 5th grade, btw? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.24.08, 08:22 PM Flag
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yes. State shifted (over past few years) cutoff for level 4 to top 4% instead of 10%. This increased the number of kids in level 3 and blurred the 90% line, which determines HCHS testing eligibility. This year a child needed to score no more than one question 'wrong' to stay in level 4. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.24.08, 08:26 PM Flag
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That happens every couple of years. Never affects the number testing for Hunter. Top 10% still remains about the same population. The standardized tests are always graded on that crazy curve. Top 10% will always be top 10%. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 01:12 AM Flag
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Right. But the state does not give a top 10% cutoff number. You have to wait for HCHS to announce it. It varies every year but is usually easier to suss out because the top 10% aligns better with the level 4 cutoff. Not so this year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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np - So you're not saying that the kids who deserve to be considered for Hunter HS won't be - just that you can't figure it out before they announce the cut-off. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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??? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:16 AM Flag
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Exactly. Some years double fours have not been enough whereas last year, and some others, a high three on one test (English I think) was sufficient to qualify. The state numbers (700-800) have to be crunched by HCHS, which invites the top 10% to test. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:18 AM Flag
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NP: Is that really true? I have to be skeptical since my dc scored 4s on both 5th grade ELA and Math tests this yr (not really a VBA), but I assumed it wasn't all that uncommon. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 05:29 AM Flag
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Well, it used to be more common than it is now. Look at the state charts for specific info but the level 4 english score cutoff has risen to narrow that group to less than 5% of testers. Can't figure out why but it's a fact. Your child will certainly qualify for testing. She'll bring a letter home from school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:20 AM Flag
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It's always nice to be considered, but likely will not bother unless we hate her middle school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:22 AM Flag
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Where's that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:24 AM Flag
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Great, it's best if people who aren't interested don't clog the process for those who are! 2000 kids are invited to test for 120 spots. You'll make it 1999. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:30 AM Flag
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IMO this is actually more about high school - and not worrying about HS admissions - than it is about middle school. But of course, you and dc can definitely not apply! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:53 AM Flag
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Usually people who say they're not applying actually are. Just saving face if it doesn't work out. Understandable but transparent on testing day when those parents & kids are in line with you outside the building. Then they say they won't go even if they get a spot. Then you see them on new students' day... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:03 AM Flag
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np: it looks like for Math, you would need a high 4 since there are so many dcs who got 4s this year. My dc got two 4s but I don't think dc is going to make the [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:39 AM Flag
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^^ Math cut-off. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:39 AM Flag
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As I originally posted - it would be nice if HCHS would just announce it already! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:41 AM Flag
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I know. I have gone through the state education website to see if there is any way to figure out the percentiles, but have not been able to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:43 AM Flag
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What's a VBA? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:36 AM Flag
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Does anyone know when HCHS usually posts this? Has anyone more obsessed than me called them to ask? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:45 AM Flag
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They'll post it when they get around to it. It's only a priority to a very narrow subset and is not crucial to their educational mission to get this info out any sooner than late Fall. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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Last year: 705 ELA, 732 Math but this year will be different so if your kid is in the 700-750 range on either test, it's an unknown for a while yet. Above 750 on both tests seems to be a safe bet you'll be invited. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:56 AM Flag
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This year's Math seemed to be easier - more 4s, so cutoff will probably be higher. The ELA this year was harder, so cutoff will probably be lower. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:03 AM Flag
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Not so, there were far fewer level 4 students this year. Go look at the state data. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:04 AM Flag
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Really, for Math? That would be good news - will check that out. At our school it seemed like there were way more 4s this year in Math. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:09 AM Flag
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Not clear to me whether HCHS looks at top 10% in NYC or statewide. Your school is too small a catchment to judge by. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:12 AM Flag
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They look at statewide percentiles, from what their website says. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:30 AM Flag
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That's not true for Math, at least for NYC - 21% of 5th graders got 4s last year, and 25% got 4s this year. Is it different statewide? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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Where are you getting those numbers??? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:18 AM Flag
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From the DOE website - here's the link to the Excel file. http://schools.nyc.gov/Accountability/Reports/Data/testresults/2008/math/Excel/Math%20City%20by%20Grade%202008.xls [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:29 AM Flag
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Just realized I'm wasting a beautiful day. My original statement remains. I look forward to HCHS posting. Speculation is just that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:30 AM Flag
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ok fine, I am going back to work. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:34 AM Flag
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Where is the state data comparing state 5th grade math results from 2007 to 2008? Can't find this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:32 AM Flag
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Go to the link she specifies above. 25% of kids score Level 4 in Math 2008 but only 4.3% score Level 4 in ELA, hence the need for HCHS to draw that bright white line!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:39 AM Flag
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this is just city data - can't find statewide data. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:59 AM Flag
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http://schools.nyc.gov/Accountability/YearlyTesting/TestResults/default.htm [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 08:42 AM Flag
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They posted this years cutoffs: Total Reading / ELA: NY State Test: ?701 Scaled Score or ?90th Percentile Total Mathematics: NY State Test ?744 Scaled Score or ?90th Percentile http://www.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu/index.php/admissions [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.25.08, 08:00 AM Flag
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anybody? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.28.08, 05:48 AM Flag
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Well, dc made the ELA cut-off but not the math (looks like you could only get one question wrong on the math and make cut-off). Oh well. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.28.08, 07:09 AM Flag
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