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07.23.08, 02:31 AM NY Schools
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Anderson or Cathedral? WWyC? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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Is money a concern? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 03:36 AM Flag
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we can do it, but its tight. also will have #2 coming up. worry about the economy. always thought we'd go private, but now have anderson as well. will likely lose a year's tuition, but we accept that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:08 AM Flag
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So if sending 1 dc to private would be tight, how do you think it will be with 2 dc going there? It will be $1million to send both of them K-12 (not including extras). Do you think you would qualify for FA wen #2 goes there? Do you forsee any kind of big financial gains in the next few years? if no, then go with A! Best of luck. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:50 AM Flag
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we will likely go with anderson at this point. two would be a very tight squeeze, but still doable if no other extras. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:51 AM Flag
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or: Are you and Dh in agreement? or is one of you leaning towards one way and the other the other way? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:53 AM Flag
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we have been in disagreement. dh attended private, and is dubious about public school. also I think he feels like a failure if he doesn't provide for private. But our dc seems like he could do well anywhere, and I think anderson is better for many of the reasons listed here...although I really love the setting of cathedral. I think dh is now coming to see that anderson is great, and we will likely pull out from cathedral this week. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 09:01 AM Flag
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or: your dh sounds like mine. he always feels as if he isn;t taking care of us enough (financially). That is crazy talk. I think you are making the right decision in taking the A spot. Good luck and see you in Sept! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 10:26 AM Flag
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I wouldn't do private then - you never know what might happen in life, and it sucks to be living so tightly [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:56 AM Flag
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Anderson. DS went there and we were very pleased. Excellent school. Graduating Middle Schoolers do well in H.S. placement. We couldn't have been happier. Go for Anderson. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 10:47 AM Flag
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I don't know if you are watching this post but I am a Cathedral parent who was faced with this exact decision several years back -- we got in Anderson WL after we had paid Cathedral deposit and gone to the Open House for new families. We actually chose to stay with Cathedral and have been extremely happy with our choice. Money was/is somewhat of an issue for us too but feel it is worth it. The main reason we chose Cathedral over Anderson came down to the community/families. We were rather turned off by the parents we knew or had met at Anderson -- they all seemed very caught up in their child's "giftedness" and the [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.24.08, 09:37 AM Flag
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Cathedral [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 04:42 AM Flag
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why? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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Duh, Anderson [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 05:23 AM Flag
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Anderson [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 05:24 AM Flag
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why? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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What's your child like? A quieter child might do better in the smaller, more nurturing environment of Cathedral. I've no direct experience with either school, but I have a child at another Episcopal school, and I love the focus on the whole child (e.g. my child studies ethics). There are people on this board for whom Anderson is the sine qua non of education, but your child will get more history and can even study Latin at Cathedral. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 05:43 AM Flag
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np: True, which is one of the reasons I would pick Cathedral if money were not an issue [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 06:33 AM Flag
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You're right about the Latin since A only has Spanish (but of course a dc can change middle schools), but what about the history? Have you compared the history curriculum at Anderson vs Cathedral? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 07:07 AM Flag
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I heard anderson may be adding french and latin. anyone? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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NP: At the orientation in late June for incoming families, Culot said they were considering offering another language in addition to Spanish, but it depended on whether they could find a qualified instructor over the summer. He didn't mention the specific languages they were considering. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:27 AM Flag
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nnp: hope its French! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:33 AM Flag
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I would be happy with either. Also happy with just Spanish. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:34 AM Flag
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maybe french early on, and they could add latin in 6th or 7th grade. kids could get a year or two of latin. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:49 AM Flag
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a few years of Latin in hs is enough to make any difference. learning a romance lang before then is much more important and helpful, imo [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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agree. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 09:04 AM Flag
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it's a useless language. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:34 AM Flag
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geez...europe, the middle east africa and the caribbean. hardly useless. former language of diplomacy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:36 AM Flag
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still is the language of diplomacy. Also very important in specific areas of business and especially law. dh is a lawyer who speaks French fluently and has had MANY opportunities solely because of that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:36 AM Flag
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agree. NYers are very myopic about the world. just because Spanish is common here, doesn't mean french isn't still an improtant world language. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:38 AM Flag
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ITA (and so would my half-french dh). I've actually had as much need for French in my life as Spanish (I speak both, but not that well, I'm better with French), and though I learned Latin in school it didn't help me that much overall in life... learning any language will help with SATs and vocab [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:40 AM Flag
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np: I found that learning french helped me with vocab as well. the latin roots were enough to help with words of latin origin, plus french is useful beyond that. german can be helpful for reinforcing germanic roots, and is grammatically interesting. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:42 AM Flag
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yes, I agree... but I find German to be an ugly language and not terribly useful overall (unless you're going for a PhD in a variety of fields in which case you need to know how to read it at least)... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:43 AM Flag
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agree...I vote for french. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:45 AM Flag
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because Latin is more useful? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:37 AM Flag
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Re French and/or Latin: it would be French if it's a language to be learned starting in K and on, like their Spanish. Latin would only be good for the middle schoolers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:49 AM Flag
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yes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:50 AM Flag
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DC is very outgoing, self directed, and smart. Sometimes a PITA, but overall a friendly, if not charismatic kid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:11 AM Flag
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Go with Cathedral then [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:22 AM Flag
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np: I would have said Anderson with that description. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:25 AM Flag
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ditto. i would see a shy kid in need of handholding or nurturing going to cathedral over anderson [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:40 AM Flag
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Anderson [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 05:47 AM Flag
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Do you have an accept at Anderson? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 05:52 AM Flag
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yes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:04 AM Flag
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In that case, hopefully we will see each other in September! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:20 AM Flag
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I personally think that you should stick with Cathedral, but if you are going to go with Anderson you need to tell them. There are probably many people still of Cathedral's WL who would love to send dc there. Do you have dc registered at both Anderson and Cathedral? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:27 AM Flag
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registered at both. leaning toward anderson. will ose whole tuition at this point. just looking for additional opinions. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:34 AM Flag
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Come to Anderson! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:36 AM Flag
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you couldn't have made this decision BEFORE you paid for a whole year of school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:41 AM Flag
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DH and I have had difficulty agreeing. The deadline for committing to a year of tuition was before the G&T placements came out. I would not feel right trying to get a reduction at this point, even if they fill the spot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:44 AM Flag
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why not? most schools won't charge the entire year's fee if they fill the spot. BTW I am quite sure Anderson is the better choice for you, academically and in other ways too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.24.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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np: how can you be sure? what are you basing this on? just curious. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.24.08, 05:30 PM Flag
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Incoming A mom here too- So, you will lose tuition, what- close to $30k, but think how much you will save in the long run. Your dc sounds a lot like mine. I think A would be a good fit. I see cathedral as more of a touchy feely type place that does a lot of hand holding. Where did your dc go to pre-school? mine is coming from a more traditional preschool (some hand holding, but teachers were really good at ID'ing the kids who needed it more than others.) If coming for a Montessori school, and you liked that, go with Cathedral. Best of luck and hope to see you in Sept! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:46 AM Flag
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Thanks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:48 AM Flag
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or: You are welcome. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:52 AM Flag
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Be very careful about the advice you get here. There are alot of parents that want their kid to go to Anderson. If you asked this question before the acceptance went out, everyone would tell you to go to Anderson. A is free. Why not try it? If you think it is not the best place for Dc , you can always change in middle school. Maybe you should tell DH that you will go private in middle school if you aren't happy. I think you are crazy to spend the money in elementary. If you DC got into A, they can handle it. WHat is the harm in trying it out? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 11:07 AM Flag
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I think you are a TOTAL CREEP for holding onto two seats still - potentially taking away one of the most coveted public school seats when you weren't necessarily serious about attending. What???? The year-long process combined with the actual timeframe the DOE gave you to decide wasn't enough for you to know so maybe you could be less selfish. You belong in private school, lady. You sicken me. You're the type of parent who "tries" public by putting it on trial and gives the rest of us parents in public who are there by choice or need a bad reputation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.24.08, 05:50 AM Flag
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np: please! it sounds like there was a conflict within the couple. OP said they will likely take anderson. some happy family will get off the w/l at cathedral. what is the big deal. anderson likely over accepted, and the families there will be happy to have one fewer kid. i cannot see how this gives public school moms a bad rep. OP is neither as yet. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.24.08, 05:29 PM Flag
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When are they going to stop being conflicted? I mean how long do people have to drag this on??? The rest of the city has made their decisions, but they still need more time? This couple will NEVER be happy anywhere they are if this is still such a difficult choice for them. Perfect choices just don't exist. Oh, and Anderson isn't over accepted. Everyone knew there were no waitlists this year and they shouldn't have chosen publics they didn't intend to attend. They've stolen a seat from another family who would have killed for that Anderson seat. (Not mine, already in another school and quite happy there, so not bitter about my child - just the selfishness of this couple.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 01:37 AM Flag
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anderson accepted 54 kids for 50 spots. OPs kid will not be missed if she goes elsewhere. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:00 PM Flag
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It's currently not over accepted and the OP, in essence, wasted that seat if she wasn't sure she was going to take it. It's too late now to replace that child until next year. Nothing you can say can take away this family's selfishness. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 06:10 AM Flag
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I am pretty sure they overaccepted by 4 dcs. so no real loss. stop being so dramatic! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 01:38 PM Flag
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But they are not now. They do not have their usual number of students and this parent is a creep. No drama. Just a fact. Your data is old. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 07:58 PM Flag
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1st- Did your dc get an offer to both? 2nd- is $$$ any issue (at this point, I would think you already put a bunch of $$$ down at Cathedral?) 3rd- Commute? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 06:25 AM Flag
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commute is similar. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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Anderson for the peer group and you can save some money, too. Cathedral is wonderful but I was advised against it due to lack of academic rigor. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 07:02 AM Flag
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ditto [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:18 AM Flag
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I don;t think Anderson has anymore academic rigor than Cathedral [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:25 AM Flag
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np: I think the overall peer group is smarter, the curriculum accelerated and the overall level higher. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:26 AM Flag
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Not sure... just second hand info but some at Cathedral got their kids out complaining that the school is great with helping kids who need help but not great with kids who are ahead. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:30 AM Flag
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My df had one at Anderson and one at Cathedral. She said Anderson definitely stronger teaching. Moved Cathedral kid to Fieldston and then later, Anderson kid there for MS/HS. Anderson kid way more prepared at same point of moving over in 7th grade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.24.08, 05:46 AM Flag
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Anderson, hands down! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 08:13 AM Flag
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Cathedral. I changed my mind. Anderson moms seem totally crazed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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The poster child Cathedral offered up as an example of success at the recent Spring open house was so overextended with the school's extracurricular activities my stomach was in knots as I listened and burned out myself on her behalf and I am a corporate attorney with twins and a new baby. My life seemed placid in comparison. They will teach your preschooler 4 languages in one semester - well English is one of them but who's counting? I was also not impressed by the Disney precanned play the older school kids were putting on. I was far more impressed by another school putting on a play written, directed, produced and operated entirely by the students under guidance. If Cathedral floats your boat, go for it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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Cathedral mom here: hard to imagine judging the school based on the play you didn't like. oh, and btw, some kids like and can handle being engaged in many things. Top performing kids at other schools have similar experiences. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 03:21 PM Flag
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Wasn't the play I didn't like. It was the predictible lack of creativity using precanned material of any sort, especially Disney. But you're on the choir and as such wouldn't get it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 09:34 PM Flag
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you sound like a jerk. typical corporate lawyer with kids. hyperactive and critical. blech! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 07:05 PM Flag
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Children can be so overscheduled that they have almost no 'nothing time.' They have no time to call on their own resources and be creative. Creativity is making something out of nothing, and it takes time for that to happen. In efforts to produce Renaissance children who are competitive in all areas, we squelch creativity. When they are involved in too many different things, they sacrifice breadth for depth. This child spent several hours in choir practice during the week, several hours each weekend singing in the choir, on *three* school sports teams with practice and games, violin, class treasurer and a few other things I can't recall. That didn't include school and studying or time for relationships. Activities are fine, but this seems over the top. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.25.08, 09:30 PM Flag
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says the lady with 3 young dcs and a job in corporate law. how are your reloationships these days? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.26.08, 07:05 AM Flag
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Just fine thanks! Married 18 years, Columbia Law. I work from home when I choose to. Have breakfast and dinner with DCs and husband almost every day during week and spend weekends with family and friends, hiking, swimming, gardening etc. When I was in high school I participated in school newspaper only since my mother had died very young and I had a sibling to watch over. We spent alot of time as younger children in the woods or by the water's edge of the Long Island Sound making forts, capturing and releasing all kinds of sea creatures, spent three years on and off building a tree house. Having a reasonable childhood under the circumstances where we could actually be children discovering our place in the world. I believe my children have a right to that kind of experience too. You are entitled to your own opinion. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.08, 11:43 AM Flag
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lolo. sounds like you qre not a real corporate lawyer then. working from home when you feel like it hardly qualifies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.31.08, 07:53 AM Flag
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My legions of corporate minions do the work these days dear :) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.01.08, 08:57 PM Flag
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No one takes you seriously. most top partners I know work their asses off, and none are taking it easy at home while the minions slave away. those partners are booted sooner or later...particularly the women. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.16.08, 08:01 PM Flag
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Anderson. My DS went there and it was the best decision ever. Middle School students have gone on to the best H.S's. We loved it. It is a phenominal school. Go for it! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.23.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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just tell Cathedral no thanks already. Anderson is the better choice all the way around. It's a no-brainer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.24.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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Cathedral had horrible exmissions last year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.27.08, 07:52 AM Flag
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Your child will learn more at Anderson. Some smart kids get bored at Cathedral and leave; the school can't handle this particular problem. Cathedral has a much nicer more relaxed less stressful atmosphere. Forget about the middle school - your child can go to Delta and take Latin or French. 4th grade history at Cathedral is much better than Anderson's 4th grade history, which is a hodge podge mess. Everyone seems happy K-2 at Anderson. Upper elementary grades not as strong, but still stronger than Cathedral. Both schools have problematic leadership, unfortunately, coasting on reputation adn demand, not dealing with problems or new directions. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.28.08, 05:38 AM Flag
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np: I disagree with you somewhat. Anderson's curriculum follows NYS scope and sequence accurately. Not a hodgepodge. Maybe not to your liking, but it makes sense in the context of a school career in the public school system. 4th grade history is NYS/American History from native americans through Colonial America. Pretty straightforward. Delta is not what it used to be. Latin is only decent instruction in language at Delta, regardless of what is offered. And peer group is more focused on social life than academics. Students have high grades due to all the extra credit assignments - very inflated grading structure. Very disappointed there after sending DC #1 vs DC #2. I would have like Anderson middle instead for DC #2. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.28.08, 06:16 AM Flag
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My 1st and 2nd both chose Delta over Anderson Middle. More developmentally appropriate for them as both were ready to take on a larger community and greater challenges. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.08, 11:59 AM Flag
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NP: That's one way of putting it...annoyed the crap out of the smaller population and had to find a new audience is more like it! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.31.08, 08:10 AM Flag
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nnp - Why would you even think of something like that? What made you so nasty? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.31.08, 08:50 AM Flag
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Parents who keep their kids at Anderson find it difficult to tolerate that not all others do the same. They will even make remarks like these to imply that the kids who choose to go elsewhere are somehow undesirable. Just ignore it. I'm sure you and your kids made the decision that was right for your family. Unfortunate that others can't accept that there is more than one path for successful kids to follow. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.16.08, 10:43 PM Flag
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We ALL know who this mom is and who her kids are. She's always posting about Anderson and she's often bitter about everything. She's a PITA and thinks that everything should have been changed to benefit her little angels who are annoying kids that caused a lot of trouble and help give the place a bad rep as a hothouse for competitive kids. Now that both of her kids are out of the school it will be a lot mellower. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.17.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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This is funny. You think you know who I am? Post my initials. Your description could not be more off (of me or my kids). Go ahead, tell everybody who I am. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.17.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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I rest my case. You have no effing idea who I or my kids might be. Stop being such a snotty witch! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.17.08, 03:15 PM Flag
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BL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 06:18 AM Flag
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np - Actually you're the one who sounds like one of the nutty Anderson parents on UB who has given the school a bad rep on this board recently. There are many families who did the same as the other poster - switched from Anderson to Delta. You have no way of knowing who she is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 06:17 AM Flag
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Anderson. Smarter peer group. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.08, 11:51 AM Flag
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4th grade Andereson social studies spends many months on details of New York Native American life with no point to it at all. It hardly spends any time on the American Revolution or American government. There is no textbook. The children don't have a clear timeline or sense of geography. The teachers use random hand outs in no particular order. The chldren are a smart peer group, but they can't teach themselves. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.02.08, 04:08 PM Flag
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Several terrible teachers left over from prior principal's hires (as well as several spectacular senior teachers). Frustrating that he can't fire the weak ones who have tenure unless they do something awful enough to get rubber roomed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.16.08, 10:40 PM Flag
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Anderson follows NYS scope and sequence and enriches and supplements. Many changes this year to come in staffing as it appears there will be vacancies due to teacher pregnancies. Unfortunate that tenure keeps a less-than-stellar teacher sometimes, but it usually works itsself out, as it probably will this coming year. Every school has some dead wood. I think there's less at Anderson than what I hear about from friends at both public and privates around town. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.17.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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I hope the principal can get rid of some of those dead hunks of lumber. That'll make our next few years much , much nicer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.17.08, 09:44 AM Flag
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Nice spin. The principal can change the curriculum within the bounds of NYS Scope and Sequence. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.17.08, 11:53 AM Flag
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I know half a dozen very smart kids who had to leave Cathedral because it wasn't challenging enough and the admin refused to deal iwth the problem. OTOH, it's a gentle place. Anderson not that great for sensitive children, children who dislike noise, or children with a passion for justice. or consistency. But if you have a bright child who is flexible, she or he should be happy there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.17.08, 12:18 PM Flag
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Explain why you say "passion for justice or consistency". Basis? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 06:10 AM Flag
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Why is the whole class punished when it was just two kids who did something wrong? How come Miss T won't listem to me when I try to explain what happened? Why did the teacher yell at X when he didn't do anything wrong? Why does Mr. Y always pick on X? The teacher always favors the girls and lets them win no matter what. Why do I have to sit next to X when she calls me stupid and fat all the time? Miss X lectured us for half an hour about how our talking wasted class time. Miss P said we were such a bad class and the other class was much better, but it's just a few of the kids and we're all being blamed and the other class isn't so great. I asked Ms. T if she could explain the problem again because I didn't understand it, and she said, No, I can't-you should have been listening the first time--BUT I was listening, I just didn't understand it. To the art teacher: Can we do more art and less self-reflections? NO, you cannot. This stuff rolls off some the backs of some kids and has no serious effect on them. There's a minority of children who are made very unhappy by it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 08:49 AM Flag
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^^and she said, No, I already explained it. This rolls off the backs of some children. Others not so much. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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np - I have a dc just like this (not at Anderson or Cathedral) and for a kid like this, it will happen at every kind of school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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ITTA - don't fool yourself that you can pay your way out of this unfortunately. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 10:10 AM Flag
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It happens more at some schools than others. I think it happens less at Cathedral, Fieldston, Hunter Elem, and Dalton, for instance. How are you handling it with your child? Are you in a public or private? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 02:32 PM Flag
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At one of the schools you mentioned, as a matter of fact. And I think it's more about my dc than it is about the teachers or the school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 03:09 PM Flag
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I have friends at Cathedral, Dalton and Hunter. Cathedral seems sweet, Dalton seems happy, and Hunter seems live and let live... are appearances deceiving? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 03:50 PM Flag
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Must be Hunter. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.18.08, 03:52 PM Flag
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