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07.17.08, 10:02 AM Newborn
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I am apalled at the NY Times' coverage of the Hezbollah hostage release. I have doubted if they were anti-Israel in the past; now I know for certain that they are. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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your surprised? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:04 AM Flag
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Yes, before I thought it was rabble-rousing and over-reacting. NOw they seem to be kissing Hezbollah's ass, like they are to be taken seriously as a legitimate government. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:05 AM Flag
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They are terrorists who were elected my terrorist wanna-bes [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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Because they don't mention why these people were imprisoned; instead they describe the hero's welcome and how this deal empowered Hezbollah, flags waving, etc. and makes some disparaging remarks about Israel [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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np-please post said "disparaging remarks" thanks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:07 AM Flag
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Yes. But yesterday there was a whole story about the families in Israel on the front page that went into depth about the fact that the "hero" killed a 4 year old girl by smashing her head in with a rifle butt [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:09 AM Flag
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And how could a government like Hez actually empower these people> [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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Headline choice was unfortunate but article is just about how this is making Hezbollah look good in Lebanon vis a vis other factions. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:07 AM Flag
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I am taking you to the wall on that one, sister. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:08 AM Flag
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Not sure I understand? The headline was poorly worded (former journo here) and did not match the article the accompanied it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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OMG. to many observers thay are amazingly pro-israel. why do you thinkthey aren't? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:04 AM Flag
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lol, no one on earth believes that unless you assume New York means Jews [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:05 AM Flag
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i beg to disagree. i live in new york. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:05 AM Flag
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As do I and any literate newsreader understands the apologist bent of the NY Times [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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Strident much? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:08 AM Flag
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how bizarre [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:26 AM Flag
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So the Times, which happens to be majority-owned and probably majority staffed by Jews, is antisemetic? They're all self-hating? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 01:35 PM Flag
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Really? I thought the cover story two days ago was very pro-Israel, the one about the two families in Nahariya. Their coverage emphasizes that a man who killed a 4 year old girl by crushing her skull with a rifle butt is being feted by all Lebanon. Today's headline was confusing though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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Hez are terrorists and heathens and should be treated as such. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:07 AM Flag
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np-You sound pretty irrational and biased. Looks like you view that world through your crazy glasses [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:08 AM Flag
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how can any rational person NOT call them terrorists? They murdered a child [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:10 AM Flag
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as have US forces in iraq and elsewhere. as do almost all peole invovled in armed struggle. and heathen? that's just invective. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:11 AM Flag
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They murdered a child and declared a national holiday to celebrate it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:11 AM Flag
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That isn't exactly what happened... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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Well, but it is. They're celebrating a man who murdered an innocent father and his 4 year old daughter. He was not a soldier. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:14 AM Flag
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That GUY murdered a child. HE is a murderer. Regardless of his connections with Hezbollah...Now as to Hezbollah being a terrorist org, many would disagree. They do not target civilians and consider their conflict with Israel to be a armed resistance. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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Next thing I know you'll be carting me off to the gas chambers, with a response like that. You are frightening. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:13 AM Flag
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See your overracted hyoper-drama queen response? This is why you have no credibility. I was simply stating how MUCH of the world views Hezbollah [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:14 AM Flag
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you are nuts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:14 AM Flag
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ITA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.18.08, 04:21 PM Flag
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this is a typical annoying americna attitude. everyone wants democracy in teh middle east, until the elections are won by people we don't like. the PLO conducted fairer elections and mroe inclusive ones, than most of our allies over there -- saudi arabia, the emirates, arguably egypt. we just hate the winners. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:09 AM Flag
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On the other hand... can you imagine Americans or French or Brits declaring a national holiday to celebrate someone who'd killed a 4 year old al Qaeda fighter's child by smashing her head in with a rifle butt? And the little Israeli girl's father was just a civilian, not a soldier or policeman. So I vote with "insane and illegitimate" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:10 AM Flag
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Exactly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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but, to be a devil's advocate: bastille day commemorates a riot. most revolutions/wars result incivilian deaths. is this beyond that? sure. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:12 AM Flag
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Bastille Day is about freeing prisoners! Not murdering a little girl and her father. They bashed her f'ing head in with a rifle butt after they made her watch them kill her father. They are not human. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:14 AM Flag
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np-Again you are confusing that one man with all of Hezbollah. That man is a pig and a murderer but Hezbollah, as an org, does not target civilians [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:15 AM Flag
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Right but THAT MAN is being given a hero's welcome and a national holiday has been declared to honor THAT MAN-- the child murderer. Not all of Hezbollah. That is just sick. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:18 AM Flag
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Yes it is terrible and disgusting, I agree. But that doesn't mean Hezbollah killed the girl or was responsible. We hail GWB and Dick Cheney but they are evil murderers too! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:20 AM Flag
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NP: You've completely lost me now. How does GWB being president excuse calling a national holiday for a child murderer? By your logic, the US should free all murderers from prison because Bush is evil? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:22 AM Flag
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I am not saying they are the same. I am saying we have no room to be pointing fingers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:24 AM Flag
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We have all the room in the world!!! Should we, as a nation, excuse all murderers now? Oh, the damage the 1960s leftist professors have done to the brains of the feeble. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:26 AM Flag
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OK, and we nuked cities full of japanese civilians. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:17 AM Flag
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To end a war. We did not honor American soldiers who killed Japanese children in cold blood. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:19 AM Flag
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ok, so murdering civilians (and the nuclear attacks wre in cold blood) is OK if you have a really good reason? So, if the palestininas werea bout to defeat israel, they coudl bow up a whole city to end that war, and it woudl be OK? civilians die in war and armed struggle. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:22 AM Flag
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What armed struggle? He came in and kidnapped the father and daughter and killed them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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Do you really believe that there is equivalency there? This is why UB scares me- it exposes the twisted psyches of the American Left. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:19 AM Flag
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do i thin there is necesary equivalence? no. but i think there is way too much blind american exceptionalism going on. "terrorism" as a technique is and has been used by many groups, most of them not muslim or middle eastern, for centuries if not millenia. People tend to criticize the tactics when they really hate the goals. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:24 AM Flag
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SO WELL PUT. ITA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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So killing a 4 year old girl with a rifle butt is okay? I hope that al Qaeda bashed your kids heads in [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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It's easy to say that terrorism is okay until it's your kids heads being smashed in with a rifle butt. If some American Indians had grabbed this posters daughter and done the same thing to her, do you think she'd have the same attitude? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:31 AM Flag
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She'd be crying over the injustice done to them and how this is a natural reaction... NOT [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:35 AM Flag
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ITTTTTA. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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where do you see me sayign waht htey did is OK? i'm nto at all sure bombing nagasaki was OK. i am not sayign hezbollah are saints.i ma saying we aren't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 11:10 AM Flag
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Exactly. We hold Arabs to the same standards of morality as Westerners but that doesn't hold true. These are societies that condone gang-rape and honor killings of women too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:16 AM Flag
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Do you know how ignorant you sound? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:18 AM Flag
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ignorant is polite. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:19 AM Flag
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^our soldiers gang raped and murdered plenty of iraqis...we are heathens with our backwards death penalty system. We torture and maim and humiliate prisoners of war--abu ghraib, guantanamo--need I go on? We aren't exactly a model society [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:19 AM Flag
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I'll tell you what-- YOU go be a woman in an Arab country. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:20 AM Flag
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Funny enough, I HAVE BEEN [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:21 AM Flag
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And? What would you say to the women who have been killed by their brothers and fathers? Gang-raped by their cousins? That is NORMAL in those countries. To not do so is abnormal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:23 AM Flag
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You are hearing headlines of very few cases that happen in the middle east. Turn off Fox. This is not the norm. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:27 AM Flag
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Nicholas Kristoff writes for the Times. Not Fox [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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Bingo. He's the one who has opened everyone's eyes to this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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A few rogue soldiers vs. a societal norm. How can you be so stupid? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:21 AM Flag
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The man who killed the girl was also a "rogue" member of Hezbollah [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:22 AM Flag
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Who is now being honored with a national holiday. So maybe not so rogue after all? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:24 AM Flag
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Not sure. His actions weren't condoned by Hezbollah. I think the national holiday part is more to commemorate the release of lebanese prisoners in general. But I still think it is sick and disgusting and they should jail that man [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:26 AM Flag
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Okay. So which "they" should jail him? Because Hezbollah is hailing him as a hero. And encouraging him to say he'll be back. He kidnapped the girl and her dad- that was his only goal- to kill civilians [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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lebanon should jail him [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 11:26 AM Flag
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NP: Stop arguing with her. She's an Arab, they don't have the same moral compass that we do. She will defend Lebanon's decision to honor the child killer with a national holiday and not see why it is wrong. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:25 AM Flag
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First of all, I am not Arab. Secondly, even if I were arab you seem to think that it is a reason to discredit me, which just proves you are just a bigot with an agenda. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:28 AM Flag
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^And for the record, I lived there after grad school as a journalist. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:29 AM Flag
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Let me guess... BBC or NPR? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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Didn't work out though, did it? Stupid people rarely make good journalists. Maybe you could do one of those morning talk shows? You just have to smile a lot and read a teleprompter [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:33 AM Flag
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SNAP!!!!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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The non-Arab defenders are the worst. It's like that web site "Stuff White People Like" - they love talking about how they're the only ones who actually understand the Middle East conflict. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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You are disgusting bigot for writing that arabs son't have the same moral compass--you should be ashamed. How racist and bigoted! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 11:27 AM Flag
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WTF? Are you crazy? HEzbollah is not the GOP. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 11:09 AM Flag
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Ah, yes, the famous "Western morality" that produced the Inquisition, Colonialism, the slave trade, the Holocaust and World Wars I-whatever one we're on to now? Shove your race war fantasies about "us" versus "The Arabs." [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 01:28 PM Flag
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You are a sick f__k. People like youa re the reason people hate us. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:11 AM Flag
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please explain this. who hates us over this attitude? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:13 AM Flag
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Exactly! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:13 AM Flag
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You are kidding me. They are notoriously pro-I [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 10:06 AM Flag
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