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07.14.08, 14:46 PM New York City
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I'm disappointed that Obama campaign is asking New Yorker to apologize for the cover. Come on! Everyone who reads New Yorker gets it. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
New York City 07.14.08, 02:46 PM Flag
 

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but not everyone who goes to news stands will. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:48 PM Flag
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Places that puts the New Yorker in the news stand have populations that are more sophisticated. I somehow don't think you can find it in the newsstand in the middle of oil fields. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:50 PM Flag
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no or but you are delusional. There are uneducated people in urban areas. You might be among them! (Kidding with the last comment...) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:51 PM Flag
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Should we stop everything we do bec there might be stupid people around us? We might as stop printing books, then, and sell books on tape in case people can't read. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:59 PM Flag
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that's bs, it's in every book store and airport. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:52 PM Flag
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it's satire. please refer to http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/07/15/new_yorker_cartoon/ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 02:13 PM Flag
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that cover was just F'd up [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:48 PM Flag
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oh come on. It's satirical. This is the New Yorker. They do that all the time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:48 PM Flag
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there is satirical and offensive. In this day and age..that's is just wrong [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:49 PM Flag
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in this day and age of PC instead of factual? Of nice instead of making a statement. Grow up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:51 PM Flag
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I am grown but I don't find making fun of others funny..not in the way they did it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:54 PM Flag
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It was funny, you need to read a book and stop living your life like a nursery school fairytale [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:55 PM Flag
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What? Do you not have any sense of irony and intelligence? Should we not have comedy, too? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:51 PM Flag
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or: there is comedy and there is not funny. I guess since I'm a person of color, I don't find humor this kind of comedy ESP when terrorism is real. That's just me. You don't have to agree. This is a free country [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:53 PM Flag
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I am also a poc, but I think it's stupid to go after the New Yorker for god's sake. And only calling attention to whatever they didn't want people to see. People who actually believe this is for real are idiots and won't vote for him anyway. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:58 PM Flag
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ITA. Like Bill Maher said, if you can't do satire on the cover of the NYer, where can you do it. There's an article in the Times about it -- I'm an Obama supporter, but if we can't make fun of him because he's black, that sucks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 06:21 AM Flag
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exactly. they do it all the time but no one, you understand, on the liberal side, is ALLOWED to make fun of obama. See Bill Carter's nytimes piece re: late nite comics stymied. It's pc'ness gone rampant: no one can touch race.http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/us/politics/15humor.html?ref=television [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 06:30 PM Flag
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My dh is so mad that he actually called and canceled his subscription [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 02:59 PM Flag
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OMG, gag. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 03:00 PM Flag
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good for him [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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Sounds like the SECOND dumb thing your husband did. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:36 PM Flag
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I so don't believe this, bc anyone who subscribes to that magazine well knows its format and why is Obama sacresanct? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 03:00 PM Flag
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Rush Limbaugh would have been happy to have drawn that cartoon. Maybe he did. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 07:42 PM Flag
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I'm sophisticated and a subscriber. There's a difference between satire and just being offensive. I try to teach it to undergrads. It can be a difficult line--you have to be really good to pull it off. I think the cover fails at satire and is just offensive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 08:50 PM Flag
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I completely agree. I'm a subscriber and have lived in New York City for 20 years and I thought it fell short at satire and was just ugly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 06:27 AM Flag
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ita. Just b/c you call something satire doesn't mean that it's funny or tasteful. The NYer cover was neither. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:28 AM Flag
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You are really sad. Sad that you teach your students w/ half a brain that you have. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 06:45 AM Flag
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agreed. political correctness is rampant on campuses though so unsurprising. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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Right on. She is an idiot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:41 PM Flag
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Good luck with your ongoing mind-control, Dr. Mengele. Should a college student be able to understand the difference between clever and stupid? Yes, preferably BEFORE college. No wonder you feel threatened. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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I really dislike both candidates. Obama is a lame-o and the NYer knows it. McC is an old old man. We really have a terrible choice here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 09:12 PM Flag
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If they did something satirical about Jews there would be no end to the screaming about it. But they did it about Muslims, so that's OK. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 09:19 PM Flag
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np: Obama is not a Muslim. See this is the whole issue. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 07:59 AM Flag
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no one is saying here that obama is a muslim. that's not the issue at all. what they're saying is someone can poke fun at any people/religion/group except for islam and muslims. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 02:12 PM Flag
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"they did it about Muslims" who are the Muslims this refers to? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:22 PM Flag
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Um, are you retarded? It's OK? Honey, it's the most controvercial moment in the history of NYer covers! People are outraged! There are articles, news broadcasts, radio segments, blogs and UB threads about it. It has caused WAY more uproar than any anti-Jewish, pro-hitler, the-holocaust-never-happened piece of attempted satire could ever touch upon. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:17 PM Flag
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I agree 100%. I am once again saddened the that U.S. is so freaking humorless and moronic. To me it's like Archie Bunker -- they put him on to be a satire, but so many a$$holes agreed with what he was saying, they liked it for the wrong reason. people are offended because they believe that sh*t. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 06:20 AM Flag
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If they had done a cover with Obama and his wife depicted as apes in a jungle, would you find that to be satire??? Because New Yorkers "get" that that's a stupid image some people have of blacks. And they have the intelligence to see that it would really just be satire. Sure. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 08:25 AM Flag
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It's really sad that legitimate humore and satire is being banned. Obama should know better, really. And so should you. So quick to judge others and have a group think. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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np: I was bothered by the cover before I knew anybody else's opinion. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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If it were on Weekly Standard, of course. It was the New Yorker! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 02:53 PM Flag
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I think, in the current climate, there is no excuse for this in the public square. I'm not in favor of the government censoring the media BUT incumbent on that is that they censor themselves. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 03:00 PM Flag
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um, nothing's being banned. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 07:36 PM Flag
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np: It wasn't banned, it's just being criticized. I'm far from an Obama supporter, but I felt it crossed the line, too, even before everyone started commenting on it publicly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 12:34 AM Flag
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you miss the point. obamas aren't being criticized (that i've heard or read) as apes in a jungle. there are, however, whispers that they are not 'patriotic', the he was raised moslem, and that the fist jab was a terrorist sign. So that is what is being satired. stay on topic, please. don't throw in irrelevant kitchen sinks. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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The cover was ridiculous. And that was what the cartoon was meant to convey, the ridiculous rumors. New Yorker has lots of covers that are over the top ridiculous and satires/savages our misconceptions. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 09:41 AM Flag
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Thanks New Yorker for doing exactly what the right wing nuts have been dreaming of since Obama started his campaign. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 10:54 AM Flag
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Wow, you're SO nuanced. You must read the New Yorker. You probably move your lips when you read, but at least you have style. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:42 PM Flag
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To the OP: Can you name five things Obama has done that you do like/support? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 11:26 AM Flag
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Do you think I'm anti-Obama? Get real. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 03:03 PM Flag
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Every person I've known IRL who doesn't have a problem with that cover was already anti-Obama. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 03:24 PM Flag
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I'm sad about your company. I believe in first amendment rights as well as artistic expression. I believe, despite a small minority of people (whose minds would not have changed anyway no matter what), our nation has progressed so far and we are not as dumb as fear mongerers would have us. Every nation and every time satire was extinguished, it was always a dark time (oppressive) in their history. We can't pick and choose what we support to be true just bec it's our side being "hurt" (though I really don't believe Obama is hurt by this mosquito of a thing)... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.15.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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OR: I too believe in first amend. and artistic expression, however I don't think that absolves the artist (or the publisher) of responsibility for content of that "art." You suggest Americans are above this kind of fear mongering. I would counter, in the last election, roughly 80% of the people voting to re-elect Bush STILL BELIEVED that Saddam Hussein had been responsible for 9-11. Mindful of that, I don't share your faith in the public. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:41 AM Flag
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I'm not naive but I do think except for few people who are bigots and won't be persuaded by reason, everyone else can think for themselves and especially those of us readers of TNY. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:43 AM Flag
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To suggest that that cover had only TNY readers as its target, that the editors were unaware the cover would cause this kind of storm, suggests a naivete on their part I find hard to believe. Just like the artist described below knew painting the "Virgin Mary" then flinging elephant dung on the canvas would cause a visceral reaction. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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What? Are you suggesting that TNY wanted to get Rush Limbaugh crowd to read their mag? BTW, I am Catholic but also an artist and the elephant dung represented nature (it wasn't some flinging dung on the canvas). It was symbolic and it had a deep meaning. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:24 PM Flag
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No. I don't think they were hoping to get the far right to read them. I think they were looking for buzz. Hell, when was the last time an issue of TNY sold out? Other than getting pictures of Brangelina's newborn, how could a magazine get this kind of press? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:34 PM Flag
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I remember how people went crazy over the art pieces in Brooklyn museum (when Giuliani was mayor) and I thought that was ridiculous. You always find some people irrationally offended by something, but come on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:44 AM Flag
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i'm pro-obama and i think the cover was just dumb. not super offensive, not particulary funny. just dumb. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 02:16 PM Flag
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It was satire - and since when is the Obama family exempt from this type skewering? Bush has been characterized as Hitler, and no one said a word. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 01:16 AM Flag
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Dammit, he's a Republican, the rules are different!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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It's time to end victimization politics of Jesse Jackson, right? Well, stop playing victim. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:25 AM Flag
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I didn't think it was offensive, but I also didn't think it was funny. And it's its unfunniness that is offensive! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:32 AM Flag
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Are you Seinfeld? Anyway, how many people think the New Yorker cartoons are funny anyway? That's how they are. TNY appeals to people with a diff sense of humor and intellect. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:35 AM Flag
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It's not a cartoon! It's a cover. The covers are usually witty and make me smile, not laugh out loud. This one just fell flat, I felt. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:44 AM Flag
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They had many, many covers that weren't funny (I dont' even find their cartoons funny). I think Obama people just don't know how to act gracefully. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:48 AM Flag
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usually New Yorker has perfect pitch. but this cover was way off. i am not sure exactly why. it just isn't in the same category with everything else they do. it was totally tone deaf - not funny, not satirical, just wrong. what were they thinking? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:35 AM Flag
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It IS satirical. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:49 AM Flag
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I don't think people would have thought this way had Obama not said anything. Obama made a strategic blunder by raising the issue. Now, even the people who would never read the New Yorker will see the picture and read about it from their local newspapers. It was a dumb move. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:46 AM Flag
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Obama never said anything, when he was asked about it by the press he totally downplayed it. But it got a lot of press regardless and some people at his campaign ended up criticising it heavily. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 02:27 PM Flag
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There you go, again. Throwing reality and facts into a perfectly good UB thread. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 02:47 PM Flag
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Downplay? No, he didn't. He should have not touched it at all. He commented on it. Now, he's off message. This story and the picture is all over the news for 4-5 days. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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Stephen Colbert was talking about the cover last night and he said "It's funny because it's true." Now that's good satire! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:11 PM Flag
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I'd love to see a cartoon cover of McCain as a POW being tortured. Now that's satire! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:23 PM Flag
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If it's in context, sure. If DEMS or some radicals thought McCain fabricated POW story and if the story wasn't true or whatever other circumstance it might be. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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Many people think that his POW experience has made him too mentally imbalanced to become president. I'll bet you can make a funny cover out of that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:37 PM Flag
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you could ask Rove for his Op Research on it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:44 PM Flag
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There actually was a cartoon about McCain in a POW jail made of bamboo sticks being tortured by other GOP candidates in Rolling Stones just a couple of months ago. Nobody cried foul and I get the cartoon. It's time we use our brains. BTW, even the people in the flyover states "get it" and they're not as dumb as you might think. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 08:52 PM Flag
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No. It would have to be a cartoon of him as a Manchurian Candidate after having bee brainwashed. See, he was a POW and he was tortured. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 07:38 PM Flag
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Like the cover that had Hillary as Robin Hood and Rudy about to mug her? Let's see - things that Hillary had done for New York: Zero, Rudy: too much good to mention. It is not satire as much as lampoon - this is the New Yorker's way of showing how FAR ABOVE IT ALL it is. They invert the opposite of the predisposition. Get it? If you don't, relax, you are NORMAL. The rest who "get it" are overly-nuanced UWS cocktail party denizens. Believe me, you'd rather pass than join. That oh-so-controversial New Yorker cover? YAWN. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.16.08, 06:32 PM Flag
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