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07.14.08, 12:19 PM NY Schools
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Let's try this. What makes a private school top tier (ongoing)? Give me a definition that allows me to create a table with all the data that is necessary for a ranking. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
NY Schools 07.14.08, 12:19 PM Flag
 

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A bigger % of kids who are very smart (there are smart kids in every school but TTs have a bigger share of them). This allows their academic program to be more accelerated/rigorous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:21 PM Flag
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That has nothing to do with the ranking. The rankings are based solely on the percentage of kids that get into Ivy league and other highly competitive colleges. The infamous 'exmissions'. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:23 PM Flag
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that's it? So that list should change every year then, right? So, what numbers would you use to categorize a school top tier? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:24 PM Flag
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NO the list would not change every year. For 80 years the tt schools that are considered tt have been tt. This is not new! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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again. what makes a school top tier. Hard facts, please. Who decides a school is TT? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:26 PM Flag
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I think we are giving you those. B and C year after year produce the best results in comparison to all other schools, with a few years in the 80s going to Chapin. But B, C, Coll, Spence and Chapin are always and will always be TT schools. What else do you want? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:31 PM Flag
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Brearley, Collegiate, Spence, Chapin and Trinity have been the TT consistently for generations [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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that doesn't help to find a clear definition of what TT means [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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Yes it does, look at OR below. A TT is a school that decade after decade proves that it among all the others sned the highest % of students to the top colleges. A bad year of getting students into Harvard is always mitigated by that many more going to Yale or MIT among the absolute top schools. But yes, do the years vary at sacred heart or at others/ yep [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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okay. so over time you see that it has always been the same schools at the top. Those are top tier schools. How is 2nd tier defined then? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:31 PM Flag
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That I don't know anything about really, I don't know how that is determined. I think it is easy to pick out the top I don't know how you then go down the list to be frank [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:33 PM Flag
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Well, these schools just mean Waspy schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:29 PM Flag
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No. Absolutely incorrect. Brearley is an incredibly jewish school as is HM and Trinity [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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B got its good rep'n thanks to admitting Jewish girls. But only compared to C and S. Still pretty waspy to me. Trinity is very waspy. Or they only admit wannabe jews. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:32 PM Flag
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Thats your opinion but those of us who knew people there and went to those schools and have dcs there know better, sorry. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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and that is your opinion, darling. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:39 PM Flag
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One based on experience, not a 30 minute school tour. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:40 PM Flag
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Of course not. You think you are the only one who grew up here? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:43 PM Flag
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I know you didn't and if you did were not at a school considered great [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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I think you are the same woman who comes here and posts all the same posts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:46 PM Flag
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If you 'think' you know one anonymous poster vs another than you are on here way too much and are far too invested in some sort of twisted agenda. Let it go. Get outside. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:48 PM Flag
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hold up a mirror once in a while [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:49 PM Flag
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Over time it has actually been very stable, though obviously every school has good and bad years. Even bad year at TT school is generally better than any year at lower tier school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:26 PM Flag
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NP: and exmissions are in direct correlation to how rigorous their academic program throughout ms and high school are. harvard would not take 4 from a class of 50 if they were not a sure thing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:24 PM Flag
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they don't always do that anyway, even the TT schools don't have great year every year. School matters but it does depend on the kids graduating that year too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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Yes they do. Since my mother was a child Brearley and Collegiate have jockeyed for the number 1 and 2 slots. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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That does not mean either of them does not have bad years too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:31 PM Flag
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I don't think you are understanding, or you don't want to understand because it hurts. Brearley and Collegiate and Spence and Chapin always have better years than all the other schools. Do they sometimes do better than another TT or worse, I am sure but this list of TT schools never changes [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:33 PM Flag
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TT mom here but you are way too invested in keeping the TT list same. I think it's a fluid thing. It could change. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:42 PM Flag
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But it hasn't in 100 years so just asking...why now? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:43 PM Flag
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What happened in the past can change in the future if the school doesn't keep up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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but the only goal for these schools is to keep up. that is their mission so it is unlikely [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:47 PM Flag
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What the f$%^ is a TT Mom [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:43 PM Flag
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I could care less, someone was asking what made the top schools the top and I was sharing a lifetime of experience and that of my relatives to explain why the same list has existed with the same school forever. If you want to think it is suddenly going to change alright, but its up to Harvard Yale and Princeton to take a chance on admitting 7 marymount girls and seeing how they do at college [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:44 PM Flag
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Keep spreading this nuttiness! Exmissions to Ivy League Colleges and other top Universities are the basis of a top tier school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:07 PM Flag
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A 'tt' private school is a school that has proven decade after decade that colleges - HYP and other top colleges - have no problem taking an over proportionate number of students from because the education is so excellent that any student who managed to get through the HS is a going to be a guaranteed performer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:23 PM Flag
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so, you would tabulate the exmissions numbers, put them on a curve and the, what? Schools in the 90th percentile and up are called TT? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:25 PM Flag
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I wouldn't know how to tabulate based on %tile. But the schools are are absolutely there every year are the same because they each come within one or two students (points :-) of great exmissions for their class size, so that would be B, S, C and Collegiate, Trinity and HM. Whoever else you want to include based on 90th % you can include but those are the constants [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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okay. how about 2nd tier schools compared to 3rd tier schools? where would you draw the line between those? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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Don't know I imagine you go down the list and see where each falls after the best schools. I do think that the level of college acceptances varies much more year to year than among the top schools, but I have never looked. Traditionally the 2nd level was comprised of NBS CSH Dalton and Marymount and a few others below that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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Well, I know several people who chose Dalton over B,C,S,HM, Cl. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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I am sure! It is apparently considered very good now [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:58 PM Flag
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I think the schools that people on UB call "2nd tier" would be those schools that generally still do very well on exmissions but either not as consistently or as extensively as the TT schools. As for 3rd tier, I think that's schools that traditionally had a student body who went to a more diverse group of colleges - with far fewer at top colleges. Schools that in the past have not been specifically geared towards really smart high- achieving kids, but more for educating a more "average" student body. Things are changing on this front as schools become more and more competetive to get into. The so-called 4th tier, I would say is comprised of new schools with little to no track record OR schools that traditionally catered (and perhaps still do) towards lower performing students (mild LD, etc.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:21 PM Flag
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^^^ (and perhaps still do) to a lower-achieving student body (mild LD, etc.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:22 PM Flag
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^^^ The K-8 schools's ranking is complicated by the fact that their "exmissions" is to HS (rather than directly to college). Many on UB will say that since not 100% (or close to) of their grads go on to TT HS, that by definition, they cannot be TT. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:24 PM Flag
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you forgot Dalton but intentionally so. nativist. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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I forgot Dalton because it was not considered a great school for many many years but I hear it is coming in to its own and it very popular with the new people [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:35 PM Flag
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New people like people who dislike traditional schools and who like coed schools? People who can think for themselves? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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Excuse me? The people new to the city what crawled up your b&tt. Trinity and HM are excellent top schools and are coed. Sorry this offends you, Dalton ma', but it was just not considered a great school until recently. Who cares though it is supposed to be now and isn't that what counts? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:40 PM Flag
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what school did you go to? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:48 PM Flag
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Why? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:59 PM Flag
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Chapin [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:59 PM Flag
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np; she said she didn't include it because it wasn't great until now [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:41 PM Flag
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Who said anything about co-ed schools [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:42 PM Flag
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I think she means Jews. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:43 PM Flag
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Yes because there were no jews at brearley [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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once upon a time there were no jews at brearley. certainly when i graduated in the early 90's there were very few. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:47 PM Flag
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I guess above poster thinks 10 is too many. Keep a ceiling. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:50 PM Flag
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Np it is consistently 25-30% they have a quota in line with national averages for all races and religions [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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all races? now, this is falsehood. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:54 PM Flag
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No really, they do fill quotas based on national average, as close as a school can get with 40 to 45 dcs of course! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:56 PM Flag
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That would mean at least 6-8 black kids should be there, and let me assure you, that is not the case. And why are they using national avg and not NYC stat? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:01 PM Flag
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in a group of 40 people in manhattan there will not be 9 black people [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:03 PM Flag
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There would be more, of course. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:06 PM Flag
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of course not, pick up a census report! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:08 PM Flag
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30% of my graduating class was in the mid 80s [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:50 PM Flag
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What does that mean - Nativist? If you mean someone who knows Dalton was not always good, yes, we are the informed natives. i [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:13 PM Flag
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but so many of the kids at those schools are drug-addicted socialites... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:26 PM Flag
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yeah, haven't you watched "gossip girl?" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:27 PM Flag
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Nobody ever said NBS was TT, Next question. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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oh please, they're like that at B, C, Coll, HM, Dalton... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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Nothing like that, I would know you would not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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oh sure you would. (I didn't post anything about Gossip Girl) I happen to be a relatively recent graduate (2001) of one of the TT girls schools (no, not NBS), and know many at the others mentioned, and trust me, there are a lot of burnouts [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:32 PM Flag
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yawn. me too. take it to toddler. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:34 PM Flag
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clearly attending a tt didn't improve your manners [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:35 PM Flag
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And now you have made it obvious that you are an outsider. Take the greyhound back to LI [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:36 PM Flag
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wow... I'm sorry your shrink hasn't ever been able to help you with your issues [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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Did you enjoy Birch? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:42 PM Flag
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loved the other B, actually [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:44 PM Flag
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Impossible [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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np - why would that be impossible? I don't understand what your problem is with this poster? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:46 PM Flag
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as there are at any (private or public) schools. The thing is, though, that kids at private schools don't really drop out because of social and family pressures due to expectations etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:35 PM Flag
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Well said [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:36 PM Flag
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of course not, but they continue on to colleges (HYP or not) and their habits usually don't improve. about 15% of my graduating class has been in rehab at one point or another or should have been (or be) since we graduated, and I know so many more from other schools [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:37 PM Flag
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NP: Public school mom spreading myths. You go public school mom! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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bitter 2nd tier grad [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:39 PM Flag
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probably [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:41 PM Flag
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You graduated in 2001 and have a child? Yikes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:59 PM Flag
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I am 25 and pregnant with my first. What on earth is wrong with that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:04 PM Flag
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Why are you on this board? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:07 PM Flag
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How old is your dh? What did you do before pg? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:07 PM Flag
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She went to chapin she didn't do much I bet [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:08 PM Flag
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No, I did not go to Chapin [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:10 PM Flag
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My dh is 29. I did - and still do - run an art gallery, which I will continue to do once I stay home with my db for 3 months [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:09 PM Flag
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oh we know who you are, or I do if you really went to Brearley. You are hardly what any of us would call a working mother using her education. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:12 PM Flag
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highly doubt you know who I am, but I'm happy to make you feel so much better about yourself [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:13 PM Flag
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I highly doubt you run anything. I have clients waiting. See you at the reunion [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:14 PM Flag
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believe whatever you'd like to believe, but I am the director, so yes, I run the gallery [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:15 PM Flag
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Who spoke at B commencement in 2005? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:16 PM Flag
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and then there was silence . . . [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:19 PM Flag
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She's Charlotte York! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:15 PM Flag
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no, she was from CT [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:16 PM Flag
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Clearly a very busy art gallery. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:12 PM Flag
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Oh yes, very busy as everyone but pregnant me is just returning from sales in London and now the slow summer starts.... but I'm having a down day [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:14 PM Flag
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i don't see how you can separate out the legacy factor in the "tts" exmissions record. It's plain that they send a ton of kids to Ivy colleges because of family connections as well as the quality of the schooling. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:44 PM Flag
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that may be true but it doesn't mean that the exmissions data is not what makes a school tt [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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So many dcs in my school even in the 80s had parents who did not go to ivies and yet the % of students going to ivies remained the same level as today [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:46 PM Flag
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OR HERE: I was just trying to answer OPs question truthfully and based in facts. You other moms nipping at each other about schools are pathetic. With attitudes like the ones exhibited in this thread, which school it tt won't matter because none of your dcs will get in. Goodbye. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:49 PM Flag
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wow! and you think the anderson moms are nuts? you are all INSANE! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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OP here. I am actually a public school mom but was kind of missing the private school moms. Here I git them all together now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.14.08, 01:04 PM Flag
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