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07.09.08, 07:46 AM General Topics
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how do you manage to get your 8yo to school 15 or more minutes late 60 days out of the school year? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 07.09.08, 07:46 AM Flag
 

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well, i'm the OP from the thread I believe you're referring to. Two things: 1) life (and shit) happens and 2) she wasn't "15 or more minutes late" 60 days. But if you're not referring to me, then I'll just wait for the correct response. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 07:53 AM Flag
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I was referring to you. I know life (and shit) happens, but life is also about getting you stuff together to be at places ontime, especially school and work, and you're not doing anyone any favors by not getting it together enough to get your dd to school ontime. It sounded from your post like she was late enough to be marked tardy 30 days and absent 30 days, which has to be at least more that 5 minutes late. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 07:55 AM Flag
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I understand being late is not the ideal. I have not once defended or tried to excuse the lateness, except to say there were extenuating circumstances which I'd rather not discuss on a message board. She has a "clean" record before last year and 4th grade will be on track. You also seem to assume that our school has accurate, consistent attendance-tracking measures, which it is now clear to me is not the case. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:02 AM Flag
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Clearly the school isn't accurate, and I'm sorry for that (and that they marked her absent when she was merely tardy) - but still, for all your sakes I hope you all can be on time in the future. I'm speaking as a primary school teacher and I understand that there are extenuating circumstances from time to time, but it is very disruptive to everyone - especially your daughter - to be late so frequently. Good luck to all of you [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:04 AM Flag
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Actually, your school has a serious problem in how they track attendance if this happened. We've also had our dc run up to his classroom if we are 3 or 4 minutes late without stopping at the office, but that's because the attendance has not yet been taking and his classroom teacher didn't care. But, once classroom attendance is taken, it is the teacher's obligation to require a late pass from the kid (which needs to be obtained at the office). If the teacher doesn't, he/she is being lax. This is a safety issue, since if there's no record of dc being in school, if dc was missing, no one would know. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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You sound so santimonious! We live 3 minutes away from our school & the first year my dd was late more often then I or the school liked - it happens. Some of it is circumstance some of it is the child's (or the mom's) personality. She just took a loooon time to learn to organize herself in the morning. My ds on the other hand has, from day one, been standig at the door ready to go 15 mins before time to go. Diff kids, diff morning dynamics. Who are you to be so Judge Judy? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:19 AM Flag
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np - K or 1st grade is one thing, by 3rd kids and parents should have a routine down pretty well. Occasional lateness is one thing, but continual tardiness is a whole 'nother issue. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:22 AM Flag
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np: I don't get this. There were two chronically late families in DS's class last year. One of them has only one child, and doesn't have him full-time, lives close enough to the school, and she doesn't have a job to get to. I just don't get it. It does the child a complete disservice to allow that to go on. And for the record, I have two young kids and most days dh is gone by 5:30 when I get up, so I'm doing it by myself. My oldest is an extremely difficult kid much of the time. I really feel like if we can make it, almost anyone can. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:31 AM Flag
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np: It is just not a priority for a lot of families, they could not care less. They also are late for pick-up, so the teacher has to stand there with their dc in freezing cold in the yard. And then they wonder why teacher does not jump when they ask for favors. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:41 AM Flag
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that's what is wrong with som many people in this country - they assume that everyone is perfectly happy to work with whatever schedule they like, and never consider how their behavior affects others [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:43 AM Flag
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I also think that parents who are consistently late teach their kids that lateness is okay. It teaches a habit that at heart is inconsiderate of other people's time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:44 AM Flag
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ITA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:48 AM Flag
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Then why didn't you, as the parent, give her extra time in the a.m. or have her get organized with some of the stuff the night before? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:33 AM Flag
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nnp: Lateness is really disruptive to the class, and you should get your act together. Yes it happens once in a while but there is no excuse to be late on regular basis and not even care. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:40 AM Flag
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As a teacher and a parent, I believe there is no excuse for excessive lateness. Yes, things happen and sometimes you are running a few minutes late with a child. However, I have had lots of students who have never once been late for school with multiple children in the household and a single parent, and I've had others with 2 parents where the child is late 120 out of 180 school days (and absent approx. 40 times) and there is JUST NO EXCUSE! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:50 AM Flag
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op - this was exactly my point. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:51 AM Flag
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This is like saying if some people can do it, why can't everyone? The fact is that some people are good at certain things - and morning organization, discipline, etc. is one of them - and others are not. And those people who ARE good at it, may not be good at 10 other things. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:56 AM Flag
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I understand a learning period and struggling to adjust to a new school, but by 3rd grade you should have it together enough not to be late chronically. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:57 AM Flag
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but what i am saying is that some people are never going to be good at something - it's not about "enough practice". And I'm not saying it's not inconsiderate of others or something to be ignored. What I am saying is that this idea that "anyone should be able to get it together to be on time" is just not true. Like anything else in life, there will always be people who just can't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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Getting organized isn't something that needs "enough practice" - it requires a change in routine, working on things, etc. Even if it means you have to wake up at 5am to manage it, that's what you do, because it is required that you get your child to school ontime, get to work ontime, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 09:04 AM Flag
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Being organized is a skill like any other and it is usually those who have it who cannot understand NOT having it, but it is a skill and one that some people never master. Again, I am not saying that people shouldn't TRY to master this skill, but not being able to recognize that some people are unable to is pretty closed-minded. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 09:10 AM Flag
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But would you allow your kid to be consistently rude to others? That is what chronic lateness is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:58 AM Flag
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obviously these people don't care about that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 08:59 AM Flag
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When you become a parent, you have an obligation to do certain things. One of them, by law, is to bring your children to school. Excessive lateness and absences are considered to be educational neglect, and can and are reported on a regular basis to ACS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 09:02 AM Flag
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and by 3rd grade you really should have your $hit together, no matter what! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.09.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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