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07.03.08, 10:33 AM NY Schools
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poll: was your child reading by the end of K this year and what was the school? was it g&t or General ed? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
NY Schools 07.03.08, 10:33 AM Flag
 

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yes. 116, gen ed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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Every child in the class was reading by the end of K (only one just barely) - D2 general ed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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which school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:35 AM Flag
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Now that I have said that one wasn't doing well - I'm kind of afraid to say for fear of insulting the parent. But I will say it is either 41/3/234 is that ok? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:37 AM Flag
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interesting, my kids are older but when they were in K I certainly wasn't keeping tabs on the reading level of every kid in their class. Psycho hover mom. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:39 AM Flag
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hello, you have no idea. The parents are invited into the classroom once a week to choose the correct level books for the children. Those children whose parents cannot come in, get help from the other parents. Name calling, ASSuming mom. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:41 AM Flag
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So coming in once a week you evaluated every single child in the class? you need to find something better to do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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What is you problem lady. Once a week the parents went thru all the books and helped ALL the children pick out the books that were on their level. No one is evaluating anything. I answered ops question. Why are you on this thread if your children are so old anyone and why are you obsessing about the fact that the parents came into our class weekly to help with reading? Give it a rest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:47 AM Flag
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I think they shouldn't let you in. Look at what you have done. You check out the kids, have this info and post it on a message board. now all the moms at those schools are thinking some beeyotch in the parent body is assessing their kid and talking about it, even if this is anonymous...its not right. really think the schools should do away with this parent involvement. np, btw [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 11:54 AM Flag
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public schools need parent involvement. Do you even have a child at a public school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 02:28 PM Flag
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some schools allow it, some don't. I am happy to be in a school that doesn't allow this sort of thing. the school does a ggod job hiring asst teachers, and parents are not needed in the school in this way. thank goodness. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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mp. ITA. This is exactly what I was thinking as I read her post. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 11:15 PM Flag
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wow. np and i'd have to say you're the psycho mom on this thread. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:48 AM Flag
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she is not psycho. she was just answering the question. BTW, look like you could use a lesson or two in grammar. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:41 AM Flag
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how so? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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thanks! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:43 AM Flag
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look like? stones...glass houses...whatever! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 11:55 AM Flag
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I know that my ds's class are all reading from going to group things they did and from participating once in a while in the "Parents as Reading Partners" program. -np [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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careful, ASSuming mom will jummp down your throat for having this information! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:48 AM Flag
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I'm more than comfortable with this part of my parenting. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 12:23 PM Flag
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children in my dd's class stood up and read to all the parents. It was painfully obvious who could and couldn't read. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:50 AM Flag
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NP: Was this in K? That sounds like a potentially traumatic experience and I don't see the educational value in this. Was there more to it? It surprises me. My 5 yo has been able to read for 6 mos, but only now has warmed up to the idea. Until now, she's been afraid of making mistakes. So I cannot imagine making little kids read in front of a group of adults (unless they volunteered) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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NNP: In dc's K class, everyone wrote poems, and we had a Writing Celebration, where everyone was supposed to read their own poems. The ones who didn't want to were not forced to, and the teacher read and showed the poem to the class and parents. It was a nice and positive experience for all of the kids, but you definitely can get a sense of the differing levels of the kids, whether or not you cared. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 12:19 PM Flag
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yes, K and not traumatic. If child refused no one beat them into submission :) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 02:39 PM Flag
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Why do people like you hijack posts? OP was curious about something. Easy question, easy answers. Until... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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dd is already reading, starts K in September. Going gen ed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:35 AM Flag
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which school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:36 AM Flag
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Decent gen ed in d3. Her grandmother (retired teacher) taught her to read. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:41 AM Flag
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Ditto, going to citywide [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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Mine was not and still not reading well by end of 1st - now finishing 2nd he reads 4-5th grade chapter books alone (all the time because he likes it) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:37 AM Flag
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similar story with my dc -- barely read at end of K, but took off at end of 1st. Now one of best readers in grade -- better than many of the "early" readers who could read in pre-k and loves to read all the time. I try to tell posters here all the time not to push this. If dc has problems in 1st grade and not progressing, then fine, but all this concern about reading before or in K is such a waste and probably makes kids hate to read. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:44 AM Flag
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I so agree with you. better it come naturally. My dc at G&T citywide entered kindergarden and many of the dcs were already reading. The teacher pull me aside and told, "they have been worked with". My dc was reading by the end of the year. Some of the kids were reading at really high levels some were not. All kids equally intelligent. Just some of the kids were worked with at home others were not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.06.08, 08:42 AM Flag
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no. Mid-first grade. Gen ed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:38 AM Flag
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Like many of his peers, my ds was reading before he began K at NEST this year. His whole class was readign by the end. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:39 AM Flag
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You do realize that the way you started that sentence, makes you sound totally snobbish and superior, right? "Like many of his peers...." oh Lordy Lordy NEST strikes again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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thank GOd they have corraled them all together. np [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:43 AM Flag
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whatever -or [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 10:47 AM Flag
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huh? np here. Did I miss something? Why are you attacking her? There is nothing in what she said that is offensive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 12:56 PM Flag
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The offense is that I mentioned my ds goes to NEST. There is a UB regular whose childhood dog was hit by a car with NEST+m license plates. Any post which mentions NEST elicits a senseless attack. Then she replies to herself with a post which she closes with "np" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 01:53 PM Flag
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nah. there are plenty of us who think the nest parents have the biggest egos on the planet. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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"Like many of his peers" pointed out that of course the NEST geniuses can all read before kindergarten. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:11 AM Flag
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np. It seemed to me she was trying to convey that she doesn't think her dc's early reading means he's The Most Brilliant Speshul Child EVER, because a lot of the other dc were doing the same thing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 11:24 PM Flag
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np. ITTTTTA! the nest posters are so full of themselves and such braggarts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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Define reading. My son can find all his favorite TV programs on the cable guide and tell me when the show is going to be on. He will ID things of his interest in all print materials. Will you say he can read? He is 5 years old. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 11:50 AM Flag
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I wasn't reading til late in 1st grade and within a few months was reading 200-300 page books. Not a trauma to not be reading in kindergarten! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 11:56 AM Flag
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Dd was reading at age 2.5, will enter gifted k next fall. Not all the kids accepted into her gifted program are reading, and the principal said they hope all the kids will be reading by the end of the school year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 11:59 AM Flag
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Reading at 2.5? What is your definition of reading? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 12:46 PM Flag
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My kid started to read at that age as well. To be honest it is really hard to pinpoint when exactly a child started to read because the learning process is very gradual. Is your kid able to read when he can read his first word w/o having it memorized (how would you know)? When he reads his first book (what kind of book)? That said my child started to read words on sight at around 2.5 years (mostly memorized short words). At around 3.5 he read simple books on her own. At 4 he started to read simple chapter books. He just turned five and can pretty much read anything you put in front of him. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 12:54 PM Flag
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Ditto here. My dc started to read on his own (and self-taught) a few months before he turned 3 yo. He was really motivated to learn. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 03:38 PM Flag
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np; tritto. a girl. just started reading signs and things first and then books. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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np. Mine was the same. Sounding out simple 3-letter words and had a pretty big sight vocabulary by then. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:03 AM Flag
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my child entered K reading. by the end of the year i think most of the kids in his class were, and the ones that weren't were either ELL or the youngest, as far as I could tell. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 12:30 PM Flag
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He just finished K and he's still working on it. I'm not stressed about it at all. He loves being read to, is working on reading things on his own--doesn't do well if I sit down to have him read to me. He's doing writing on his own, unprompted. But I do think many kids came into his class already reading or close--lots of older girls in his class particularly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 12:49 PM Flag
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DD has been reading since age 3 and a half. Going to district G&T. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 01:22 PM Flag
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Yes, PS 183, gen'l ed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 01:30 PM Flag
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No. Brearley. No pressure to read at all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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I distinctly remember that during the summer between K and 1st, DS exploded in reading, and suddenly devoured all the early reading books at the library and beyond. DS was at LL, and we were suspicious of balanced literacy and the dopey books and the lack of explicit phonics, but it really worked for him I guess. 2 yrs later, he reads for pleasure at any opportunity (maybe too much!) with great comprehension and expression. Maybe he was always destined to be nerd but I do think LL makes them more likely to be interested in reading and writing, especially writing, they write a lot, beginning in K, and the Publishing Parties are a big deal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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DS entered K reading. All kids in his class were reading by end of K, although levels ranged widely, everything from Harry Potter to Frog and Toad. 1. It doesn't matter when they start reading, so long as they learn and any LDs are caught. 2. If they can read the words and comprehend what they're reading - within hte limits of their social understanding - then, they're reading, not just decoding. A first grader can't read the NYT even if he/she is reading Harry Potter, because they lack the social context. But lacking the social context is different than just decoding. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 06:53 PM Flag
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How many of these "K's" are 6yo going on 7yo or how many are 5yo big difference (mom of young K) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 07:01 PM Flag
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It's public school. Everyone is either 5 or turning 5 by December. Everyone who graduates in June, is either 5 or 6. No one is 7. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.03.08, 07:12 PM Flag
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np: DS is in public in CA and there is a big range on ages and I can see the difference when I'm in the classroom (when it comes to reading). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:09 AM Flag
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But in CA a lot of people redshirt their kids, which is the case in NY suburbs too, so the kids are older. In NYC this is no longer allowed, so all kids in the grade are born within the same calendar year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:15 AM Flag
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I think that's a good solution. Part of the problem out here is that the cut off is so late--Dec 1st. My oldest is a May birthday so it was a no-brainer. My second is a late Nov. birthday and I feel like we're stuck between a rock & a hard place. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 07:49 AM Flag
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This is not a mark of a good school, focusing on reading in K, as evidenced by all the TT privates who do not stress this until 1st [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.04.08, 06:14 AM Flag
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You make it sound that a TT private is oh so much better when it comes to elementary school education. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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np. For offering a well-rounded, developmentally appropriate education, the are. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:11 AM Flag
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^ they. And I would say most of the so-called "2nd tier" privates are also oh so much better than 99% of NYC publics. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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and you have experience with all the TT and 2nf tier privates, the 1% public you find okay, and those 99% of "bad" public schools? I would love how you got all this knowledge. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:19 AM Flag
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I don't need direct, personal experience with those schools to know it's true any more than I need to go to Antarctica to know it's damned cold there. All you have to do is look at the DOE curriculum to know it's true. The scope of their curriculum has become narrower, more remedial and test-obsessed every year. Compared to what most private schools offer, even the best publics aren't as good. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:34 AM Flag
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but you claim there is still a one percent of public schools that are better or as good as 2nd tier privates. How is that possible? And how do you know it is 1% and not .5% or 20%? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:39 AM Flag
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You're being disingenuous. You know perfectly well what I meant. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:43 AM Flag
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I know that you are biased and very closed minded because you throw around numbers that are absolutely not true. That is all I know about you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:46 AM Flag
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Which means in actuality you know nothing about me. Whatever. I'm not interested in trying to convince you that your assumptions about me are incorrect. If you'd like to talk about the schools, by all means let's talk about them. I've made my opinion pretty clear, I think. What's yours? Which publics do you think are as good as the "tt" and most of the 2nd-tier privates? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 08:55 AM Flag
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Of course it is. You don't think a TT private offers a better elementary school education than a public school - any public school? I do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.07.08, 01:28 PM Flag
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