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07.01.08, 14:42 PM General Topics
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Flying cross country w/14 mo db. Do we get him a seat? I say yes, dh says no. He doesn't want to spend the $$. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 07.01.08, 02:42 PM Flag
 

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You shd be fine without one. It's only five hours. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 02:43 PM Flag
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How do you figure? Best case scenario of board, push back, taxi, take off, fly, land, deplane? What about the potential for waiting on the tarmac for hours before you even get to take off? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:03 PM Flag
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If you don't then make sure it is dh who holds db for the whole flight. Having said that I flew with my ds at 1yo he wouldn't stay in his seat so it was a waste but I appreciated having the extra space. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 02:44 PM Flag
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I wouldn't have given him a choice! In his carseat, strapped in at that age! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:04 PM Flag
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If you can afford it, it will help if he is in his car seat because he knows that he isn't going to be let out of that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 02:45 PM Flag
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that is how we always fly. i buy a seat and put ds in carseat. he sleeps better and has a better flight i think. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:35 PM Flag
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And it's much more comfortable for you! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:38 PM Flag
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YES i don't have the anxiety of having to run after him. he is locked in there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:39 PM Flag
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and the person who would have to sit next to you! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:39 PM Flag
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It depends on the demeanor of the child, imo. My oldest was always fine without a seat. But 2nd child was crazy - I needed to be able to strap her in - even though she screamed. At least she was confined and screaming and not running around. By the time we had #3 we felt the need to buy her a seat b/c we were outnumbered. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:40 PM Flag
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not a big deal. I wouldn't pay for a seat until db is 2 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:41 PM Flag
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and lots of times there are empty seats so they give you an empty next to you [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:42 PM Flag
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Good luck with that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:45 PM Flag
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had it every time I flew with dd. I don't have money to burn so it means a lot to me [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:47 PM Flag
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How can you afford the vacation then? Seriously? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:49 PM Flag
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seriously =I think it's important to save $500 and spend it elsewhere. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:11 PM Flag
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What's your child's safety when you could be buying new shoes! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:15 PM Flag
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whatever you say rich person [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:16 PM Flag
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If $500 makes a big difference to you, you shouldn't be vacationing. You should be saving. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:26 PM Flag
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If you can't afford a seat for your child, which is the safest option, you can't afford to travel. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:04 PM Flag
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pity - guess what - the law says I can have a child on my lap - snob [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:11 PM Flag
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And that would be a regulation that is opposed by the Pilot's Union and the Flight Attendant's Union. It is supported only by the airlines, who are afraid of losing revenue. Do you understand that force that can be generated by turbulence? You would not be able to hold onto your child in severe turbulence and you would be lucky if your child survived the impact if they were to hit their head on the cabin. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:14 PM Flag
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whatever you say lady - you buy the seat. I was happy I didn't [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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since when did a child get hurt on a plane - you know what I take taxis without car seats too [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:13 PM Flag
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Are you serious? People have died in planes during turbulence. Including children held on laps. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:15 PM Flag
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seriously it's legal and I nobody who bought seats for their kids under 2 -only ub people [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:16 PM Flag
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Don't come crying to me when your child is launched like a projectile and has their head crushed on the cabin of the aircraft. I warned you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:18 PM Flag
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i won't darling [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:18 PM Flag
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you are a pig [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:18 PM Flag
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I'm honest. You can't hold onto a child during severe turbulence. You are fooling yourself if you think you can. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:20 PM Flag
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you are a fool to think that most people buy seats for their babies [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:21 PM Flag
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Only those who understand the risks of not buying a seat. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:23 PM Flag
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WOW you are insane!!!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:21 PM Flag
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No. Insane is thinking that in the event of severe turbulence, you will be able to hold onto a child. Or that a flight attendant will toss another passenger out of their seat so that your angel will have a seatbelt. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:22 PM Flag
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CRAZY CRAZY!!!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:24 PM Flag
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Think back to your HS Physics Day. Draw a free form diagram of a plane traveling, and hitting turbulence. That represents the acceleration. Multiply times your child's weight. Could you hold on? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:27 PM Flag
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But what are the odds of that happening??? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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Greater than zero. Isn't that a good enough reason to buy a seat? Or do you want the names of flights that have involved fatalities to lap babies? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:42 PM Flag
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I remember a flight from Denver when I was a child. I think it was Eastern. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:49 PM Flag
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Statistics put the odds of dying on a commercial aircraft flight at about 9 million to one. And when planes do crash, usually everyone dies, carseat or no. By way of comparison, the odds of a baby dying from being left alone in the bathtub are about a million times higher, but nobody seems to want to do anything about that… [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:28 PM Flag
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That is absolutely untrue. Most aircraft accidents do not kill everyone aboard. Only midair collisions almost always kill everyone onboard. Far more common are accidents involving turbulence, rapid deceleration, and runway exits. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:32 PM Flag
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So what are the odds???? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:44 PM Flag
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You are most likely to be injured on a runway exit upon landing, followed by a runway landing on takeoff, followed by turbulence, followed by mechanical failure, followed by pilot error, then collision. Death is far less likely than injury, of course. The specific odds depend on the nexus and the parameters. Most studies use all commercial (passenger, cargo, and other). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:51 PM Flag
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^^^ runway exit on takeoff [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:54 PM Flag
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Ummm those are not statistics - no matter how smart you think you are.... Tee hee. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:39 PM Flag
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This isn't a forum conducive to a conversation about statistics. Anyone who knows anything about statistics won't try to have a conversation using statistics with a qwerty keyboard. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:41 PM Flag
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Yeah - if you don't have the numbers to back up your claim go away. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:44 PM Flag
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Do you know statistics? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:47 PM Flag
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np: Are you suggesting that no one has ever died or been injured on a plane, or no one has ever lost their grip on their child during an emergency landing? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:51 PM Flag
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Cars don't travel nearly as fast as airplanes and impact in car accidents involves far less force than impact in air accidents or turbulence accidents. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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you all die on the plane [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:17 PM Flag
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No. Most air accidents do not have 100% fatality. Not even close. Most are survivable. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:19 PM Flag
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NP: I fly a lot. My husband flies a lot. Our family flies a lot. I don't know of a single injury caused to a lap-child by turbulence. I'm sure it happens from time to time, but I don't live in fear. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:21 PM Flag
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4 people died earlier this year on an JAL flight, including one infant. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:24 PM Flag
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If you think back a few years ago, their was a United Flight where all the lap babies (called Missiles in Flight Attendant speak) were killed on a flight). All the belted passengers survived. The unbelted/unseated adults were hurt, but survived. I think it was in Sioux Falls. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:30 PM Flag
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Ugh. When you google it, there do seem to be a lot of fatal accidents involving lap babies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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OMG you are insane. You need to pop your way out of that pathetic bubble you live in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:20 PM Flag
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You mean the one where Force equals Mass times Acceleration? Honey, we all live in that bubble. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:21 PM Flag
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I think you live in that isolated bubble head of yours. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:26 PM Flag
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Think what you want. I know aircraft. I know physics. And I know that there is NO FREAKING WAY that anyone is going to hold onto a child in severe turbulence. But if you want to take your chances, go ahead. Just don't come crying to me when you see what happens when a child hits the cabin at 100 mph. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:30 PM Flag
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Laughing, laughing, laughing at this... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:44 PM Flag
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Then I guess you just don't know a damn thing about physics. Which is sad. I can almost see you know on the Today Show. "Sniff, sniff...I didn't realize that it would be so hard to hold onto a baby during turbulence. Why didn't anyone warn me? And that's why I'm suing." [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:47 PM Flag
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I'm glad you're not my Mom. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:48 PM Flag
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Yes, I would have made you study Physics and discouraged you from running your mouth when you don't know a damn thing about the topic at hand. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:52 PM Flag
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Hmmm - the lady doest protest too much. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:21 PM Flag
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ITTTTTAAA!!!! Buy the kid a seat! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:18 PM Flag
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not so much anymore. Airline have cut so many flights that a lot of them are much fuller now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 03:46 PM Flag
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Since when? The airlines are cutting back on flights and flying fewer and fewer flights not-booked to capacity. Don't plan on any empty seats these days. It's hard to deadhead! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:02 PM Flag
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don't plan - got lucky - last time lady was so nice on American and she blocked 2 seats for us bc they weren't booked when we checked in [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:12 PM Flag
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No doubt, get the seat. Much safer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:01 PM Flag
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Honestly, the safety argument isn't what gets me--it's just a pain to hold a squirmy 14 mo for that long. Get the seat. Some airlines offer a discount on infant seats (but you have to call--you can't book through the website). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:18 PM Flag
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OMG let's see some statistics showing exactly how many dsc are injured on airplanes - held on laps. If it were high - it would not be allowed - hello???? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:23 PM Flag
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My guess is that you would see two different sets of statistics. One by the Pilot's Union (very outspoken against children on laps) and one by the Airlines. Then who do you trust? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:37 PM Flag
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You're nuts. You don't think carseats would be required if they needed to be? You're smarter than everyone else in the country? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:46 PM Flag
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The Pilots Union and The Flight Attendants Union want carseats. The Aircraft designers and manufacturers want carseats. The Airlines don't. It's a matter of lobbying, like everything else in this country. I'm not the only person who thinks that lap babies are dangerous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:54 PM Flag
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so you're arguing that airlines, with a financial incentive to offer the option of holding infants on laps, are doing what is BEST for their customers? that is hilarious. I'm not the original responder, but beyond the safety issue is the issue of space. Don't be a cheap ass. Buy your kid the seat. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:59 PM Flag
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Airlines don't set the rules. The FAA does. But the FAA has a long history of having very bad regulations. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:02 PM Flag
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What's their incentive? Buying a seat for an infant costs the same. They are losing money by you holding the infant. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:08 PM Flag
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Fewer families would fly if they had to buy the seat. Many airlines charge only half price for the baby's seat -- but it's the whole family flying that makes the difference. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:20 PM Flag
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Airlines do not charge half price for baby seats - they are full price. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:28 PM Flag
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ding ding ding ding [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:28 PM Flag
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Seat is so worth it! Do you want to hold them for hours??? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:52 PM Flag
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This is simple. If the flight is delayed on the tarmac and you are stuck on the plane for 12 hours, will you regret not having the seat? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 04:59 PM Flag
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If it's completely safe to hold a baby in your arms on a plane, then why the arbitrary cutoff at 2? Why not let parents hold toddlers, or even small preschoolers? Heck, why have anyone buy their own seat if you can sit on someone else's lap the whole way if you're cheap like that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:22 PM Flag
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The issue is - many infants will not sit in a carseat right next to their Mother - they just won't - they will scream and cry because they want their Mommy, and Mommies should be allowed to hold their babies, if need be. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:30 PM Flag
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Then why are carseats required in cars? Shouldn't we allow lap babies in moving cars too? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:37 PM Flag
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Hmmmm - slightly different modes of transportation... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:41 PM Flag
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What's more important? Safety or the parents desire to hold their child? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:44 PM Flag
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you'll probably pick you kids up half way through the flight anyways and hold them...I fly to SEattle all the time I always have a kid on my lap, your arms will hurt but it's not bad, just don't drink alot cause if you have to pee and they are asleep on you lap... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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