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06.30.08, 19:53 PM NY Schools
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what I have learned having 2 kids, 1 in public and 1 in private: private school kids are more prone to nut allergies. is this because their parents never expose them to anything? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
NY Schools 06.30.08, 07:53 PM Flag
 

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Interesting. Maybe parents are more protective of those kids and trust a private to take the allergie more seriously? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 07:55 PM Flag
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Or private parents are bigger advocates? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:00 PM Flag
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np: every kid at our public eats pb at lunch. they even serve it for school lunch. has never been a problem. unless there is a documented case in the school, it should be allowed. the whole thing is overdone in nyc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:06 PM Flag
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np: I don't think it's overdone at all. Kids can DIE from this. Thankfully my own kids don't have food allergies but I think it should be taken seriously. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:07 PM Flag
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like I said, if there is a case of it in the school, but an all out ban as occurs in all privates is over kill. kids in public do fine, and they are not dropping like flies from it either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:16 PM Flag
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They ban it outright even if no one in the entire school has an allergy? And none of that was clear in your posts [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:18 PM Flag
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yes. pita to send a lunch [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:23 PM Flag
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Not a very creative lunch maker, are you? My kid hates pb and we manage to have lunch daily. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:24 PM Flag
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my dcs have a very limited range in terms of foods they will eat for lunch, no matter what I dream up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:26 PM Flag
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Send them with leftovers from dinner. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:27 PM Flag
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np. I don't believe this. Please tell us which school has an outright ban but no dc w/ allergies? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:48 AM Flag
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actually, I think every private school I looked at had an outright ban. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 09:01 AM Flag
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np. Your claim was that they ban it outright even if none of the students are allergic. At which schools is that the case? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 06:07 PM Flag
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except for the kids with allergies - there are many in my dd's public [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.02.08, 07:51 PM Flag
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Do you have one dc with allergy and one without? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:06 PM Flag
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our 9yo dc has a moderate-to-serious peanut allergy, and honestly, she's a sensible girl and we're completely confident in her ability to avoid the occasional pb&j or peanut infested trail mix... totally not worth a supreme court case, imo. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:11 PM Flag
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9 yr olds are much more savy about this than preschoolers or even k kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:18 AM Flag
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Good for your dc. My dc isn't allergic at all, luckily, but he has a couple of friends whose allergies are so severe they get anaphylaxis just from being NEAR nut products. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:50 AM Flag
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No. It's because private school kids are more likely to have been sired by older moms who had to turn their bodies into science experiments via IFV in order to conceive at their advanced age. By short-circuiting Mother Nature's Natural Selection process, you end up with children who aren't as healthy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:21 AM Flag
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np: You're such an idiot. More kids with peanut allergies are in privates because peanuts are banned in privates and because teachers in privates are allowed to give epi-pen injections. My cousin had to send her DD to private because publics will not ban nuts even for kids with contact allergies and only the school nurse is allowed to inject kids (my cousin's DD could be dead by then). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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The research bears this out. YOU are the idiot. Pull your head out of the sand. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:28 AM Flag
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Show me the research that says an IVF baby is less healthy than an non-IVF baby. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:29 AM Flag
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Clinical researcher here. She's right. The research IS out there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:37 AM Flag
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So provide a link, it's not that hard to do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:43 AM Flag
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Not all the research is online, hon. Go to a university library. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:45 AM Flag
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There is no chance that a study about this has not been discussed in a journal, and so even an abstract would be online. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:46 AM Flag
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Not necessarily. I worked as an editor at JAMA. You'd be surprised what they keep off the Internet. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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You are full of crap. Even if JAMA didn't put it up themselves, some other publication with an online face would be discussing the research. The only study that I have ever seen turned out not to be adjusted for preemies and other high-risk issues. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:50 AM Flag
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such research, if significant, would be way to popular to keep out of the news. It would get picked up. Jeez--that stupid, sloppy caffeine study got tons of press. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:50 AM Flag
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If the medical journals aren't publishing it, how would the "news" find out about it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:53 AM Flag
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They would be publishing it if it were a groundbreaking, well-organized study that could not easily be dismissed. It would be huge! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:55 AM Flag
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Oh hon. You really don't know how the medical industry works, do you? Such a study would be a fatal blow to the multi-BILLION dollar industry of fertilizing older women. The medical and pharmaceutical industries are now virtually one and the same, since 90% of the research money comes from Big Pharma. Do you really think the medical profession would bite the hand that feeds it by publishing such a study? THINK, girl. I've been there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:58 AM Flag
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DING DING DING! Bingo. Researcher here. This is why I can only get government grants. MY research has nothing to do with finding "market-based solutions", so the drug companies (and the foundations that support them) won't touch me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 08:05 AM Flag
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this is so scary [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 11:33 AM Flag
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np. Do you think if you keep saying "hon" enough that your condescending tone will make you sound more credible? Keep trying. You're so full of it, it's almost funny. You can't cite one piece of research. You imply that if we go to a uni library we'll find it. OK. So give us a cite for something that we can find at the library. You can't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 08:06 AM Flag
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np: By the person who did the research. Isn't that obvious? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 08:13 AM Flag
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Oh, HON, go away with your rational arguments. She's a "clinical researcher!" ;) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 08:16 AM Flag
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np again: I'm just a shlub but if the Journal Articles I worked on in grad school had been buried by the Journal Publishers for political/financial reasons... the principals would have been all over the news. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 09:22 AM Flag
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by reading UB you nitwit! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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ITA. Provide a link. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:47 AM Flag
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np. ITA too, but she can't provide a link. She's FoS. I love the excuse that JAMA would or could keep this out of the public eye if there really had been a study that found this! lol [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:53 AM Flag
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my friend who is an older IVF mom and also a doctor who works in medical research has told me this as well. there is growing research that kids born via IVF in particular to older parents (not so true for IVF to younger parents) have more problems both health and developmental even when compared to the naturally conceived children of older parents. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 09:07 AM Flag
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np: it makes intuitive sense, but people aren't going to want to hear it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 10:32 AM Flag
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not wanting to hear it, doesn't make it less true. this woman has twins - one of whom has mild issues that will prob be "outgrown" soon, but the other is SN - developmental as well as food allergies, etc. it's not like she isn't happy that she had the kids, she just thinks that people shouldn't foold themselves about the "risks" or concerns involved. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 10:45 AM Flag
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out of curiosity, what constitutes "older mom" for purposes of this analysis? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 10:50 AM Flag
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she said over 40 and she was considering paternal age too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 10:51 AM Flag
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^^^ and also mentioned that in her dc SN schools, the vast majority of the parents were in their 40s and up and a good number of those had used ART. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 10:57 AM Flag
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I have no clue, but the medical establishment seems to benchmark older mom at 35+. I don't if that's the same in this case. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 10:53 AM Flag
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^^np [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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agreed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 10:50 AM Flag
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what kinds of problems? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 11:34 AM Flag
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well, my ivf twins are hitting all their milestones early, and are 90th % for size. 41 when they were born. Perfect health, gorgeous babies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 11:51 AM Flag
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part of that is an older mom issue not the IVF issue. obviously your eggs deteriorate over time. plus, once you're over 35, your body carrying the pregnancy is not in top shape either. it's not nec a matter of the IVF process! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 12:35 PM Flag
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i agree - i think however that a woman who conceives naturally over 40 yo might have better quality eggs and be in better physical condition than one who needs ART. obviously this is in general and not specific to any ONE person though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 01:21 PM Flag
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http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6947/4/3 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 10:43 AM Flag
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There is something so very wrong about this post. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:42 AM Flag
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It's more complicated than that. Many women and men with fertility issues are actually suffering from undiagnosed infections which affect the children as well. Also older fathers have children with more issues (particularly autism) regardless of the age of the mother. Their sperm is damaged by age. I realize you might feel superior about having a child younger but if you were in these women's places you would go to IVF as well. You never know. And no, I did not use IVF. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 11:21 AM Flag
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That's not true in our public, quite a few kids with severe peanut allergies. They have a SEIT and sit at different tables during PB&J days, not really a huge deal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:24 AM Flag
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General Topics 07.01.08, 08:08 AM Flag
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Why ban nuts just because some kids can't eat them? The kids are old enough to know to stay away. BTW, you have to have really severe allergies to get the SEIT. With garden-variety one, you just skip the PB&Js. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 08:10 AM Flag
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#1, because for some dc just being near nuts or touching something that nuts had contact with is enough to trigger a life-threatening reaction. #2 because it's cheaper to ban nuts than to pay a SEIT. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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I think if the kids were so allergic that they could not be in the cafeteria with nuts at all then school may have to ban but that's rarely the case. I assume such kids could not travel on an airplane either. The kids I know with SEIT have other severe allergies besides nuts, so the SEIT is needed to keep an eye on all of it. All the kids I know allergic to nuts (granted, sample of 8-10 only) are allergic to other things too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 08:19 AM Flag
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I find that the kids with "nut allergies" are exposed to nuts frequently. (The problem is, they distract us from the few kids with actual nut allergies.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:56 AM Flag
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Did any of you read the Harpers article about the growing food allergies in the US? It was about six months ago. http://harpers.org/media/slideshow/annot/2008-01/index.html [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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My neighbor is a cancer researcher. He says there are diseases of the affluent; children who are not exposed to the "normal' outside world, (i.e. playing in dirt at the park vs. playing in sterilized indoor play places) develop stronger manifestations of diseases from the common cold to cancer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 11:47 AM Flag
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np: I believe that. But I'm the mom of a kid with a food allergy (that developed when he was 6 and we are still trying to track down) - and I'm considered a "dirty mom," the one who considers fallen cheerios a food group and never has hand sanitizer and lets the kids play in the sandbox at the park. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 11:49 AM Flag
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Above poster is correct--it is actual micro-organisms in dirt (soil, not cheerios on the floor) that help immune system develop in a good, coherent way. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:47 PM Flag
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I was like that till my kid tested high for pb. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 12:21 PM Flag
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np. Am I the only one who initially read this as the kid testing high for peanut butter? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 08:53 PM Flag
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probably more that parents with kids with allergies seek out nut-free schools, which happen to be private [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:49 PM Flag
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