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06.30.08, 12:33 PM New York City
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Horace Mann is a great school academically. Dalton always had inferior college placement to HM and Trinity. Dalton is artsy-fartsy [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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While I know you having only posted this to stir the pot, as a native, I have to agree with you. :( [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:35 PM Flag
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there is no "t" in naive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:28 PM Flag
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its ok maybe one day people will forget you grew up in arkansas [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:38 PM Flag
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That is the best you can do? Really? Nobody watching, no pressure, and that is your best shot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:29 PM Flag
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I like artsy fartsy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:37 PM Flag
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I like artsy... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:32 PM Flag
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still, as an artsy-fartsy type with a smart artsy-fartsy daughter, I wish we had gotten in :( [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:38 PM Flag
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You would have been sold a fake bill of goods be happy you didn't. Ask any new yorker who grew up here and they would all say Dalton was always a joke and still is, unless of course they went to Dalton [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:39 PM Flag
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thanks for that... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:41 PM Flag
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Np! Really ask around you will find that its popularity has more to do with new people from outside of NYC hearing that famous actresses went there and mistakenly thinking that means its academically strong. It was always a way station for celebrity dcs, not a great school. It was only trendy nothing more. GL! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:45 PM Flag
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it's funny...we have a friend that teaches there and he actually told us it's not all it's cracked up to be, and that he didn't even apply for his dc even with the tuition discount. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:47 PM Flag
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DC probably had low ERBs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:48 PM Flag
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No--didn't take the test. Was happy with zoned public. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:50 PM Flag
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riiiight.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:51 AM Flag
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why would I lie? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 07:05 AM Flag
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I know very few D alums who would send their dcs there. It was a very second rate education. Public school environment for private school prices. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:48 PM Flag
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I went there and this is a ridiculous statement. First of all, it was always considered a very good school. Just very jewish. Also, calling the education provided there, public school like is about as uninformed as possible. Its a progressive school, always has been, and the education provided there is different than that provided by any board of education. The variety of classes etc. is unbelievable. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:33 PM Flag
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I sat in your classes as a high schooler on many occasions. You were a public school with no one answering questions, offering insight or paying attention. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:36 PM Flag
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when I was there we never participated in those interschool days: so obviously we are talking about different time periods. Anyway, did you sit in on biology or the history of china and japan (a class I doubt was ever offered at a public school in 1988? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:25 PM Flag
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Just because a specific class was offered doesn't mean anyone paid attention, or that it was taught properly. Public schools offer mandarin. Big deal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:27 PM Flag
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You know what this is futile. I am sure you are a very intelligent person and I never meant for this thread to turn into some school bashing thread, lets just call it even. Really. Who cares really as long as we are all healthy [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:28 PM Flag
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It was such a horrible place when I was a dc [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:49 PM Flag
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What exactly does that mean? That there are actually no teachers in the classrooms or that the teachers aren't very good or that Dalton graduates are going to second rate colleges? Applying for K for DC this year and was considering all three schools in this post. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:46 PM Flag
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Make your own decision don't take my word for it, but ask around though from people who know who have friends and family who went to these schools and get the real story not some UB Myth story [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:47 PM Flag
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good advice. in fact I always recommend logging off in september if you're applying to pre- or ongoing schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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IMO dalton has done a very good job of re marketing themselves for the new crowds of people who just arrived. The rest of us know it performs poorly in the realm of academics. Admission to Harvard, as you can tell by the many dcs accepted there from bad publics, does not always mean you have received a great education first. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:53 PM Flag
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you're not the first one to say this...well put. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:59 PM Flag
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Thank you! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:33 PM Flag
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Entire structure of the school is a joke 'independent learning' which is another term for 'bad teachers and lacking curriculum'. The Dalton Plan was devised for lackluster dcs who had famous parents with a lot of money. Unlike the other schools it took only fame to get in and even fewer brains to get through [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:51 PM Flag
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np; well, we have no money, not famous in any way, dc got 99 on erb and sb and is headed to D. I wanted D because she can delve into things more and can be self paced. She's the type who just picks up things on her own, so traditional, structured, schools with drills would not have suited her. I think people who think Dalton is a bad school are people who don't believe in progressive education. While it may not be for everyone, it is a great school for kids like mine. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:04 PM Flag
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doesn't sound like these posters are anti-progressive--they're talking about the school's history and reputation, and it sounds like they know from experience and having been born and raised in NYC> [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:08 PM Flag
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Oh, the nativists, yes. I guess they live in the past. Besides, I think it's foolish to choose one's school based on past reputation or whatever. Don't they care about what's right for their child? BTW, not sour grapes bec dd got into other TT as well and we felt Dalton was better suited for my dd and my family. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:18 PM Flag
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>if dd wants to go to HYP, it's fine by me, but I think it's crazy to choose a school based on college exmissions. I mean, how do these people know what their kids want to do and be? What if my dd wants to be a chef and like Bobby Flay, decides not to go to college at all? What if dd wants to be an actress or a nurse or something else that doesn't require a 4 year college education? Why are people thinking about college placement for Kindergarten admission?? Who knows what the future holds? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:22 PM Flag
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are you the poster that had a knot in her stomach about chosing D earlier? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:28 PM Flag
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no. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:42 PM Flag
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Yes the natives, the ones who know more than what they read in a Goldman book or overhear at a cocktail party. The ones who know that reputation and standing of these schools hasn't budged in 60 years. Those people. I read one post the other day from a Nyer who said 'I don't pretend to know anything about your home town academics so I suggest you stop claiming yourself as an authority in mine' [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:35 PM Flag
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well put... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:38 PM Flag
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Well said...but you forgot the natives are also the ones who know something beyond UB reputation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:38 PM Flag
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True enough [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:39 PM Flag
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Well, I did not read Goldman book or overheard from a cocktail party. I guess I don't move in your circles. I never heard of any private school before, but made up my mind after tours and reading school literature they mailed me. Dalton was the only school Early Steps recommened for me that had most visible diversity and when asked about it, gave good answers. We turned down another so called TT SS and chose Dalton bec we could see dd being happier there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:47 PM Flag
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Good for you. No one is disputing that you made a decision you were comfortable with. What is being disputed is your ignorant dismissal of the real life personal experiences of people who know far better than you do about the real history and reputations of these schools. This is not a contest, and god knows what 'your circles' is meant to imply. You are making this about something far greater than it is. Your limited knowledge versus someone with far greater knowledge. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:21 PM Flag
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Well, maybe you guys have more knowledge about how things were back when you were in school. Also, you may have different concerns than me. I don't want my dc to be the only minority (or one of two) in the class that I saw at other privates. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:27 PM Flag
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That's ridiculous. Things do change and evolve. Look at colleges - some colleges are still the same as 30-40 years ago, but others have totally transformed themselves into major national universities and attract a totally different caliber of student today than 30 years ago. Look at Duke. So it's entirely possible that Dalton has changed too and that the "natives" who graduated ages ago don't actually know everything. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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wow is that ridiculous and uninformed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:44 PM Flag
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because its not your opinion? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:18 PM Flag
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yes [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:22 PM Flag
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and because it is shockingly uninformed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:22 PM Flag
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the word is MISinformed, and I suppose your upbringing in rural..whatever..make you an authority on what D used to be like...lol! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:24 PM Flag
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Actually, DH went to D with sibs and dc is at D right now. So swallow the laughter sad lady. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:25 PM Flag
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^^ and FYI, look up both words if you've got a dictionary. They are different and I am fine with my word choice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:28 PM Flag
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'disrespect' is also now in the dictionary [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:29 PM Flag
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English is a language that evolves. Perhaps Latin would suit you better ? You can chat it up with the pope. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:32 PM Flag
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Perhaps you might have benefited from taking some Latin. Good day, I have to collapse thread. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:33 PM Flag
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it doesn't work, and you'll be back ! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:43 PM Flag
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uh huh. and you? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 02:29 PM Flag
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What about the fact that alot of HM alums say they'd never send their kids there? Okay - maybe just the six HM alums I asked. But still, that has to count for something. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:42 PM Flag
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Most people who went to rigorous schools here feel that way. But that doesn't mean they didn't get an incredible education. Never known a Spence of Brearley grad who didn't have qualms about sending their dcs there [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:46 PM Flag
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Maybe it's the ones you know - every HM alum I know sends his/her kids there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 12:54 PM Flag
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HM alum here. Definately not sending dc there! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:36 PM Flag
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HM alum, not sending dc there. Dh Dalton alum and is excited to send DC there. It's diff strokes for diff folks everyone. My Dh had a great edu, went on to a great college, and does just fine for himself, thank you very much. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:45 PM Flag
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HM parents are sore because HM is in the Bronx and people who want coed in Manhattan won't consider HM. HM is fast becoming like St Anns. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:06 PM Flag
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All pretty darn good schools, I would imagine, for a young person. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:39 PM Flag
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OMG I think I love you [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:40 PM Flag
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I'm serious. And, anyway, brilliant kids come out of all circumstances- even lousy schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:42 PM Flag
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true, but I think the debate here veered off into the details of the history/reputation of Dalton in particular. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:44 PM Flag
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You know, its as if people just can't be content... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:46 PM Flag
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I am LMAO. A few months ago everyone was dying to get into Dalton. Now it is a bad school. Give me a break! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:51 PM Flag
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this is absolutely true--worth every penny IMHO [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:43 PM Flag
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Seriously. Thanks for posting this. The whole thread has me rolling my eyes; it's the incredibly privileged vs. the incredibly privileged. Both schools offer terrific educations and a kid would do well at either. This air is so rarified I can barely breathe. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 05:34 PM Flag
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My brother and I both went to Horace Mann and now my son goes and it is indeed a great school - in every which way. But I do not think Dalton or Trinity are any worse. I would have been just as happy if they had gone there. Once you get to that level of school its all about the kid. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 01:46 PM Flag
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I think you are a little dated. All the DCs I know who get into Dalton have 98s or 99s and their parents are nice, normal people [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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As a native NY-er who did NOT go to Dalton, I have to say that I disagree with all the statements about Dalton not being considered a good school. It definitely had a more liberal/progressive/artsy vibe than other top schools, but the kids who went there were always smart. It definitely attracted the kids of parents who were in the arts or advertising as opposed to the WASP bankers and lawyers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 08:04 PM Flag
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We didn't get DC in, despite legacy, and I am not sure I am sorry about it. Seemed very cold, kids seemed hyper, uber-wealthy, competitive. He would do better elsewhere. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.01.08, 05:58 AM Flag
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