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06.29.08, 18:25 PM General Topics
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My 2-day old newborn LOVES to suck -- last night she was on my breast for 7 hours. We gave her a pacifier just to relieve me - is this ok at her age? How else to cope? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.29.08, 06:25 PM Flag
 

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to relieve you at 2 days old???? No. Take away the pacifier and do your job, woman. You are the child's mother. Let her practice suckling for jesus's sake. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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Weren't there studies that showed that using a pacifier reduced the incidence of sids. Clearly she is not having trouble with latching. Give yourself the break [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 07:08 PM Flag
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you've got to be kidding. who are you? you're either not a mom, or an idiot husband/father/teenage dork just fooling around. Madam, there is a difference between active breast feeding, and suckling for pacification. With a two day old, you may want to be patient, but work toward offering the breast only for feeding as time goes by. and the idea that a pacifier is "bad" for a baby is largely a myth. the only concern is that it may cause the baby to latch improperly. May i suggest logging on to the website for Dr. Jack Newman. He's a specialist on breasfeeding and has lots of good information for you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:01 PM Flag
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7 hours? and that is exactly why I did not breast feed my kids! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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Oh UGHGHGGH. I wish you'd never even had kids. God forbid they inconvenience you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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you are in a great mood tonight. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:29 PM Flag
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okay so in my defense I had a horrible infection with first DC so I couldn't breast feed, Dr. orders and w/ the 2nd we choose not to, but that doesn't mean I am a bad mom. It means I am agreat mom for making the best decisions for our family but I am just saying 7 hours is a really long time to have a baby on your boob so I think it's fine to give a pacifier [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:30 PM Flag
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yeah, a great mom. That was just what I was thinking [not]. Anyway with your history (dr.'s orders not to bf? LOL. Never heard that one before) you should really keep your mouth shut as you know nothing about bfing at all. Just because you're a failure in this area, why poison others? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:32 PM Flag
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wow...hostile! I don't need to explain but yes DR. orders because breast milk can get infected if you are sick with an infection that took months and months to heal...not an expert at all on breast feeding so chill out! but wanting to make other new mommy feel okay about HER personal choices- [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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I think that our vicious person is back for the night. She was here earlier beating up on the woman whose husband left her for nanny. Just ignore and maybe she'll go aways again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:36 PM Flag
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thanks...geez she needs some icecream or soemthing! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:37 PM Flag
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this is completely false. Breast milk can not be contaminated by a mother's infection, either in the breast or in another part of the body. to op: please go to kellymom.com like another poster suggested. don't give in to the masses who will come up with tons of crazy reasons for not ebf'ing (not enough milk, infections, etc.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:30 PM Flag
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you are so obnoxious. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:36 PM Flag
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Please don't let the above poster discourage you from BF'ing. 7 hours is unusual, but some babies like to suck more than others. I would try not to use a paci, because some babies do get nipple confusion. Try holding DB instead, skin to skin, and let her suck on your finger tip. All this BFing is helping your body produce milk. It's also doing amazing things for your uterus, helping it contract and return to its normal size. BF'ing is so hard the first 6 weeks, because you have to feed on demand. But it's such a short amount of time in your baby's life, and then, all of a sudden, just when most women give it, BF'ing becomes so much easier. Hang in there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 07:09 PM Flag
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totally agree. I had one like that too, she'd fall asleep on it. You can let her suck on your knuckle too. I'd really try to avoid the paci for a few weeks at least. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 02:36 PM Flag
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that's right, you gave them toxic sludge instead. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:28 PM Flag
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formula is so gross [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:55 PM Flag
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Toxic sludge? Formula? Are you for real? You need a f'ing reality check--maybe visit a country where there are actually children dying of starvation or preventable disease. A lot of people would kill for a little of that "toxic sludge" to nourish their kids. Honestly...I'm all for BFing but this sanctimonious crap makes me ill. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 06:42 PM Flag
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How on earth to make the connection? And btw, you're obviously clueless. The US has one of the highest infant mortality rates of any industrialized nation. Formula isn't saving many lives here, that's for sure. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 03:47 AM Flag
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so--you're claiming that formula is killing babies in the U.S.? Really? And that you'd have a better chance of raising an infant to age five in 1909 than you would today in the U.S.? Snort... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 07:24 PM Flag
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I said formula was toxic sludge. Beyond that, you appear to be having a disagreement with yourself, because I have no idea what you're talking about regarding my "claims", none of which I said. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:22 AM Flag
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hey--you threw in the U.S.'s high infant mortality rate and blamed in on formula which is, needless to say, completely idiotic. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:25 AM Flag
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No, I didn't. You brought up "children dying", not me. Re-read you "idiotic" posts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 06:49 PM Flag
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Whatever. If you want to think it's "toxic sludge"--go right ahead. I can't wait til you find the Marlboros and Diet Coke cans stashed under your kid's bed in a few years... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:12 PM Flag
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great non sequitur. relevance??? You're just defensive about your poor choices. I would be too if I knowingly fed my kid straight chemicals. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:21 PM Flag
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Sweet Jesus--I breastfed, you freakin' idiot! And enjoyed every minute and thank GOD I didn't know anyone as loony and sanctimonious as you lot. I would never presume to judge a mother's choice on this issue OR to try to guilt her out with dubious science OR corporate conspiracy theories. Are we done now??? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:25 PM Flag
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dubious science? Yeah, those crazy physicians all over the globe who recommend nursing. Wackos. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:31 PM Flag
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Yes, and do they all refer to formula as "toxic sludge" too? We're talking about America here, not some third-world country with all sorts of other health concerns and a dubious water supply. I will say it one last time and then I'm going to bed--I did not attack BF'ing, nor did anyone else on this board, whereas you are going out of your way to attack non EBF'ers in an extremely fanatical way. All I can say is that you're doing a fantastic job of repelling people rather than enlisting them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:40 PM Flag
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Most of them are quite clear that formula is far superior. The WHO recommends formula as only a last resort, after the top three best ways to feed an infant (1) nursing (2) expressing and bottle feeding breast milk (3) using a wet nurse [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.09, 06:27 AM Flag
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again, are we talking about 3rd-world or the US? And I don't think anyone is disagreeing that breast is best, but the sanctimony and formula-is-poison fanaticism has got to go (and it is certainly NOT part of the agenda of either the AAP, WHO, etc.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.09, 06:31 AM Flag
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There is not different science depending on what country you live in. Formula is a last resort, period. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.09, 06:35 AM Flag
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this is not the norm, and you won't breastfeed because it's somehow "gross" to you. nice mothering. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 05:29 PM Flag
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Umm...please point out where anyone said it's "gross." God, I'm so glad I never knew any people as self-righteous and obnoxious when I was breastfeeding or I would've stopped just to disassociate myself from you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:29 AM Flag
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all newborns love to suck! it's what they do. Let the poor kid suck. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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relax, some day they won't want to be near you [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:55 PM Flag
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it helps your milk come in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:29 PM Flag
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you're lucky she's latching on - that said, ds went through this around 6 wks; it will pass [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:30 PM Flag
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pacifier can make baby reject breast. Usually you're told no pacifier or bottle until they are well established (like 4 weeks). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:32 PM Flag
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np-I wasn't told that with either of mine and had no problems- they had both [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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np: why do they give paci @ hospital, then? I nursed and pacified and no confusion. We really limited pacifier to times when baby was full. as long as you are mindful, you'll prob be fine. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:42 PM Flag
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because most hospitals aren't in the business of encouraging breastfeeding, they're in the business of encouraging bottle-feeding and formula. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:24 PM Flag
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and drugged up childbirth. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 06:18 PM Flag
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what is this--"Our Bodies, Ourselves?" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 06:35 PM Flag
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Yes. It actually is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 06:37 PM Flag
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Well, I don't know what 1960's era type hospital you gave birth in, because I had nurses and lactation consultants all over me like white on rice and so did most of the people I know. if you don't want the Enfamil gift pack, then no one's forcing it on you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 06:43 PM Flag
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SLR, no drugs. I was responding to the woman who asked why they give pacis at hospitals? Take one visit to the "nursery" at the L&D in the middle of the night and I would be shocked if anyone ever wanted to let their baby in stay in one again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 03:17 AM Flag
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let the baby suck on a pinky. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:52 PM Flag
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remember that sucking is a reflex and it helps brain development! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 06:54 PM Flag
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Sucking is fine & good for a newborn but it does not have to be on your nipple - it could be a pinky, a pacificier, a sturdy, clean burp cloth. She is not sucking out of hunger it is a reflex so let her suck on something else. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 07:12 PM Flag
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Please ignore all this advice and go to kellymom.com. You'll get good support there. Yes, your 2 day old can use a pacifier without getting "confused." Also, bf'd babies need to eat every 1.5 to 2 hours and feeding can take 10 minutes to 40 minutes. But you don't have to take it for 7 hours!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 07:19 PM Flag
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actually, 2 day old should not use a pacifiier. baby needs to be doing that sucking at the breast to encourage mom's milk to come in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:26 PM Flag
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at 2 days, you should demand feed. she is doing what she is supposed to to activate your milk to come in. once your body responds to the demand (and it will, just be patient), she nurse every 2 hours for 20 - 40 min. the first month of breastfeeding can be SO hard, but as all my BF girlfriends told me, just stick with it and after the 1st month, it will be totally fine. also re your question abt pacifier -- talk to lactation consultant. i did bec i thought my dd was not latching correctly and causing me a lot of pain and as it turned out the lc told me to give her an avent pacifier to train her to latch better. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 07:23 PM Flag
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Demand feeding is feeding the baby when the baby is hunger - it is not providing your breast for 7 hours of sucking. Sucking is a reflex & babies will do it with whatever and as long as they are allowed. Eventually they will figure out the diff bet sucking for hunger (to get milk) and sucking for pleasure (for which they can use a finger, thumb, paci or rattle, whatever). In the meantime. After 30 min at the max. gently ease your db off the breast. Since newborns do need to eat every 2 hrs you need to give your self a break! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 07:27 PM Flag
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agreed 7hrs is too long and she shoudl try to de-latch baby. but my point is at 2 days her milk hasn't come in yet and baby innately wants to suck to stimulate milk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.29.08, 07:32 PM Flag
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ding ding ding. baby is sucking this much to stimulate milk coming in. if she sucks elsewhere, will affect milk production. don't let her suck elsewhere. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:37 PM Flag
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suckling for 7 hours is not demand feeding. she can't possibly getting a proper feeding with that sort of trickle. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 05:27 PM Flag
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you or dh offer a finger, but she should be on the breast now to stimulate your milk to come in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:27 PM Flag
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Has your milk come in? If not, I'd give her a little formula (even just an ounce or two) so she doesn't get dehydrated (mine did). That will also help you get a break. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:30 PM Flag
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NOOOOOO.....do NOT do this! There is absolutely no reason to "supplement"...a baby will not get dehydrated and can survive on colostrum until milk comes in. Amazingly mothers fed their babies without supplementing for millennia before formula was invented a wee 50 years ago. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:33 PM Flag
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the solution to facilitating a natural process (breastfeeding) is NOT to introduce an UNnatural substance (formula) into the equation. this is horrible advice. contact a lactation consultant if you have concerns before you even consider supplementing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:40 PM Flag
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This is *bad* advice, especially for a 2 day old. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 05:58 PM Flag
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I supplemented with both of my dcs when my milk wasn't in, they were big babies and hungry. Just an ounce or two~ they needed it. I have no issues with doing both, whatever works for you. It's formula, not poison all you La Leche devotees, give this poor woman a break. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 06:11 PM Flag
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you can tell yourself whatever you want but your babies definitely didn't NEED formula at birth before your milk came in. No baby does. and have you read the ingredients of formula? it actually is poison. See the recent study showing that formula contains same ingredients as rocket fuel. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 06:15 PM Flag
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You are bananas. Do you read everything you read on the Interwebs? And do you have no historical understanding of childbirth, breastfeeding, etc. Women used to die regularly in childbirth, as did babies. Infant mortality is lower now than it has ever been. And not every woman can breastfeed--heard of wet nurses? Sugar tits? Romulus and Remus? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 06:47 PM Flag
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You're the fool. It was a recent CDC study that found the same ingredients in infant formula as in rocket fuel, results were published in April. Hardly fringe science. And the percentage of women who truly "can't breastfeed" is infinitesimally low. The others find excuses to supplement, like "low supply". Nearly every mother makes enough milk for her child. And those who don't should definitely use wet nurses rather than formula (aka processed chemicals). At least according to that wacky fringe group called the World Health Organization. http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/04/03/03greenwire-perchlorate-found-in-infant-formula--cdc-10432.html [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 03:25 AM Flag
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PS- you are even more the fool for suggesting that infant mortality is lower than it's ever been. Not true. US has one of the highest infant mortality rates of any industrialized nation, almost the highest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 03:49 AM Flag
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Yes, thanks, I know all about the US infant mortality rate (Britain's up there too) but if you want to compare it to rates 100 years ago and decide in which century you'd rather raise your baby, be my guest. Re your link--please explain if this percolate stuff is so incredibly toxic (the article said that it's found in the water supply in 35 states) then why aren't they ripping formula off the shelves? A huge conspiracy? 20 people got sick from eating cookie dough and Nestle removed every single cookie dough product in the US, but you think they're still OK with poisoning infants? Take off the tinfoil hat, OK? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 06:09 AM Flag
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You sound incredibly naive. They are not pulling formula off the shelves for the same reason tobacco wasn't ripped off the shelves when they discovered it was toxic. We are a capitalist country and the infant formula industry is HUGE. Study just came out, that means further study will be done. In the meantime I'll be feeding my children what God and nature intended them to eat. Not chemicals mixed with water. And what does lower infant mortality have to do with formula? you make no sense. Your defensiveness about your own ignorant choices is clouding your ability to reason. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 06:15 AM Flag
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Wow. I am so glad that your behavior is endorsed by God--that must make you feel really special. I'd really love to hear some stats about all the babies who have died or become ill because of this "poison" that all of us "naive" "ignorant" "fools" have been feeding them. Really. Come on. Just one or two. Throw me a bone. You might want to read that recent article in the Atlantic on breastfeeding, though you don't seem very interested in hearing any opinions but your own. And btw--I did breastfeed and then supplemented with formula when I had trouble keeping up with my ten-pound dd's demand. She is now 15 and a 5'10, straight-A athlete--maybe all of those delicious toxins? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 04:53 PM Flag
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Trans fasts are bad and no one's died of them. All I'm saying is formula isn't good, not that anyone's dying from it. And thanks for the Atlantic recommendation, read it already. I'll take evidenced based research published in academic journals over the opinion of some writer at the Atlantic any day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:36 AM Flag
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It's not exclusively an opinion article--read it again if you care. The evidence that bf'ing makes a huge difference re antibodies, general health, intelligence, overweight, etc. is extremely negligible--"statistically insignificant." And again, personally I'm all in favor of BFing but I find the tone of some of the posters here really obnoxious. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:48 AM Flag
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There's a clear link between transfats and heart disease, stroke, diabetes, etc. No clear link between formula and any long or short-term health risks whatsoever. And again--if big bad global/corporate Nestle was happy to pull their cookie dough off the shelves for 20 e.coli cases, why would they balk at pulling formula? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 02:03 PM Flag
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we wouldn't know yet, modern day formula (not the water paste of 100 years ago) has only been around for 40-50 years. We have no idea what effect artificial feeding has had on generations of infants. It amazes me that people who will only eat organic and natural foods will think that powdered chemicals are somehow ok to feed to their vulnerable newborns. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 06:52 PM Flag
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You don't think 50 years is enough time to gather any kind of information about the effects of this "poison" on "vulnerable newborns" since they're now on the verge of retirement? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:14 PM Flag
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np: I like how " la leche devotee" is supposed to be an insult. I'll take it as a compliment! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.09, 06:33 PM Flag
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good for you. i'm a BFing devotee but the la leche crowd has me running for the hills. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 05:28 PM Flag
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7 hours straight is not good for anyone. Be careful, you may end up getting sore nips way before your time and get discouraged, so I'd encourage longterm sucking on something else and leave the boobs mostly for nursing, and only partly for sucking sensation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 06:15 AM Flag
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mine liked to suck as well but it waned...she still does it at 23 mos but only right before bed. i would let her suck on my (very clean) pinky finger since she wouldn't take a paci, but i would absolutely not let her suck endlessly on my breast. she fed, she popped off herself when done and then if she needed more oral stimulation, pinky...or whatever will work for you. yours is only 2 days old so give her a chance to acclimate and slowly move from sucking on your breast to something else. otherwise just my opinion, that long on the breast isn't practical for either one of you (i.e. how does she get a proper feeding if she's constantly suckling etc). and p.s. yes a paci/thumb sucking has been proven to help reduce SIDS, so by all means give her one if she'll take it! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 05:25 PM Flag
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...her one if she'll take it! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 05:25 PM Flag
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congratulations! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.09, 06:05 PM Flag
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yes, congratulations! believe it or not, some day you'll miss the closeness of having a sweet little newborn in your arms, even if she wants to suck most of the time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 09:15 AM Flag
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you have all really gone off the rails---7 hours on the breast is not even something la leche would advocate for christ's sake--just give the paci if you need a break, your nipples will be mauled at this point and then nursing will really become a challenge---and forget the bogus nipple confusion--that is not an issue-- [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 01:35 PM Flag
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itta--thank you for sanity I feel for poor OP... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.28.09, 07:15 PM Flag
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