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06.27.08, 06:49 AM New York City
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Public school rankings: NYC: % who got 4 in Math in 4th grade: LL: 91%, Anderson 92%, 9:77%, 130:67%, 199:65%,6:62%, 116:60%, 290:59%, 89:58%, 3:55%, 41:53%, 234:53% 166:50%, 87:43%, 163:38%, 11:21%,212:18% [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
New York City 06.27.08, 06:49 AM Flag
 

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Do we have to do this again? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 06:50 AM Flag
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what is LL? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 01:51 PM Flag
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Lower Lab aka PS 77. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:17 PM Flag
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LL was 94.2% for Gen Ed. The number cited included special ed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:22 PM Flag
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So? You don't honestly think this means anything do you? Math? You people should be worrying about your whether your dc will emerge literate or not or with a strong understanding of actual history. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 06:53 AM Flag
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- I don't understand why math is less important than history? I am a history buff, but at my job, history never comes up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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np they are both pretty important in diff ways [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:02 AM Flag
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Basic math is all that comes up at anyone's work unless they work primarily with numbers. Math is the only subject easily scored and measured so everyone jumps to use this as a measurement for quality of curriculum. It is the least important topic when considering value and level of curriculum. Literacy, the ability to speak properly with a varied vocabulary used correctly, sentence structure, the ability to write and communicate effectively and well, having a strong understanding of world history rather than a smattering of it from textbooks allows dcs to develop an analytical, critical mind and help them understand modern day politics. These things are essential to a good education, not how you score on a state monitored algebra test [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:03 AM Flag
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np I see your point, but learning advanced math helps expand the brain. It's not just the algrebra skills that we all forget, it;s the pathways that builds, the alternate ways of looking at a problem that are important. I don't think either is more important. It's all important and the state of public ed is disgraceful in most of the country [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:07 AM Flag
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Not saying math is not important, but people on this board over signify its meaningfulness because it is the only way for them to measure or compare schools. A public school where dcs score 90s% means what we all know about public schools - they teach to the test to get funding from the state and keep their jobs intact. I promise you far better educations are being had elsewhere [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:09 AM Flag
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probably so but like you said - math is esaier to test and score so there it is [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:11 AM Flag
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I find people with better verbal skills always say things like this about math. As if studying math doesn't/can't teach analytical skills. As if a good understanding of statistics and probability doesn't also help someone function better in the civic arena. Hell, just look at how many people are fooled by crackpots with crazy ideas about things like food allergies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:12 AM Flag
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This makes very little sense, sorry [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:21 AM Flag
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This is stunningly untrue. Math is critical in a tremendous number of occupations, particularly the highest paying ones. Also, math provides the structural basis for logic. The vast majority of great philosophers were expert mathematicians, and many contributed equally to math theory. Obviously the discussion about which is more important Math or English (i.e. reading, comprehending and verbal skills) is a silly one - they are both critical. It is foolish to discount math. BTW, most history is essentially a rote memorization exercise. Clearly, a depth of historical understanding is important, but come on... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:41 AM Flag
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ITA, I am shocked at this statement. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 05:05 PM Flag
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Yes, but if a smart kid goes to some of those other schools (not LL, etc) I wonder if they would still do pretty well (I'm not sure). I looked up my elementary school on greatschools and it gets like a 7 out of 10, worse than 290, 6, 158, etc. But the kids in my top reading group went to - Yale, Cornell, Haverford, Penn, Rhode Island Design, another Penn, another Cornell, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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If you put a smart dc in a poor school you will have a smart dc with no education. Smart is as smart does and it needs direction and instruction to grow. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 06:59 AM Flag
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I agree, but I think that what these numbers mask is that you still can't tell how the smart kids in the non-G&T schools are testing b/c they are mixed in with other kids. So a smart kid might end up scoring well at PS6 or at PS158. My schools numbers are eh overall, but the smart kids score well. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:08 AM Flag
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All it says to me is that the teacher is accurately teaching to a test which is terrifying [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:11 AM Flag
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I have very good skills in both, I was lucky to go to an excellent school in the city. The point is there is no sense in taking public school math scores and trying to determine which school is better based on results. Public schools teach to the test and that is never good for anyone. Those dcs aren't learning much more than memorization. Show me the public school dc who can write well, rare, or knows about history from a better source than a chapter in a broad textbook. That is the mark of a good education and the development of real analytical skills which will help them develop in the future. Not putting down math, just pointing out the limited significance of state administered test scores. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:16 AM Flag
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^^ this was meant in response to above comment that only people with advanced verbal skills do not see the importance of math. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:17 AM Flag
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If you think the problem with how history is taught in public schools is that it's taught out of textbooks and it's rote memorization, you are out of touch with how history is taught thse days. 1. It's not taught at all; 2. the teachers dont' know anything themselves; 3. it's taught out of order by politically correct themes so the kids can't follow any of it; 4. there are no textbooks, just random xeroxed handouts. STudents emerge not with a shallow knowledge of history but with no history at all. This is true for public elementary and middle schools that I'm familiar with. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 01:43 PM Flag
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np. 7/10 is not poor. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:09 AM Flag
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That's good because 158, 290, 6, 199, etc. get much higher scores. I don't know, I find the gen ed situation (if you can live in a good zone) preferable in many ways to the G&T idea. That's life - there are people with various strengths. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:12 AM Flag
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i also prefer gen ed to g&t, but we have the luxury of a very good gen ed. that's where dc will be going in the fall, though we qualified for district-wide g&t. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:15 AM Flag
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your school may have more legacies to these schools than a school like 130 though. using college admissions as a guide is often inaccurate [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:37 AM Flag
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where's nest on that list? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 06:58 AM Flag
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64.1%. surprising. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:06 AM Flag
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You can't compare schools like this. Anderson and LL students are ONLY G&T kids and others are mix with gen. ed. Got it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:07 AM Flag
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I agree - see above. You have to kids pre-disposed to do well in each, and you can't break that out. On the PS6 tour, the kids that I spoke with (cherry picked of course) were probably going to end up at strong middle schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:10 AM Flag
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yes, but nest has ONLY G&T dcs as well (same with LL), so i was curious to see how it compared with anderson and ll. not very well, apparently. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:10 AM Flag
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Remember when you look at the numbers that LL has about 5 spec ed kids in a separate class that are assigned by the district. You need to take these out to compare to A or N. In fact since it makes up 10% of the base (a HUGE number compared to any decent public school) it is best to always compare gen ed numbers - the city provides these. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:36 AM Flag
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When was NEST made a G&T school? Was it after or before the current class of 4th graders? (NP) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 04:51 PM Flag
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The current 4th grade was not admitted via GT. I believe it would be the current 2nd graders that started with the GT standards. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 08:12 PM Flag
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and 150? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:10 AM Flag
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40% [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:14 AM Flag
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That's wrong, it's 57.1% for 4th grade for 2008 and 59% for 5th grade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 10:57 AM Flag
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for what year? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:13 AM Flag
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'08 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:23 AM Flag
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where are you getting these numbers? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:31 AM Flag
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http://schools.nyc.gov/daa [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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this data is meaningless in terms of quality of the teaching. You are comparing preselected kids, whose parents may well supplement their education at home, to a general population. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:27 AM Flag
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but it also compares GenEds. For example 199 has much higher scores than 87 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:32 AM Flag
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Probably a more homogeneous group at 199 with higher SES, housing stock is more mixed for 87 and it's a bigger school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:42 AM Flag
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are the stats available for brooklyn? bklyn is so sad, excluded everywhere [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 07:37 AM Flag
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So 3 did do better than 41? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 08:36 AM Flag
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if you look at those who scored 3 or 4 (the most meaningful stat), 3 has a 92 in grade 4 math, 41 has a 97. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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^^for ela, it's 83 for 3, 93 for 41 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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But this was about those children scoring 4. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 01:02 PM Flag
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PS 150: 57.1% [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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I think this is an impressive stat. It is a very small lottery school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.27.08, 02:22 PM Flag
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